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From: Dominic R. <dl...@ed...> - 2009-10-20 15:43:36
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Does anyone know if it is possible to run VMware Server on Devil-Linux (and thus use DL machine to host other vms)? If not, is there any other way to host VMs on DL? [I know it's regularly done the other way around (DL as a VM on a different host system.)] Dominic |
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From: Heiko Z. <he...@zu...> - 2009-10-20 15:57:03
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Quoting Dominic Raferd <dl...@ed...>: > Does anyone know if it is possible to run VMware Server on Devil-Linux > (and thus use DL machine to host other vms)? If not, is there any other > way to host VMs on DL? [I know it's regularly done the other way around > (DL as a VM on a different host system.)] It would only work with the server version of DL and you'd have to compile the vmware server modules within the build system. So in theory it should work. -- Regards Heiko Zuerker http://www.devil-linux.org ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. |
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From: Dominic R. <dl...@ed...> - 2009-10-20 16:29:40
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Heiko Zuerker wrote: > Quoting Dominic Raferd <dl...@ed...>: >> Does anyone know if it is possible to run VMware Server on Devil-Linux >> (and thus use DL machine to host other vms)? If not, is there any other >> way to host VMs on DL? [I know it's regularly done the other way around >> (DL as a VM on a different host system.)] >> > It would only work with the server version of DL good this is the one I use > and you'd have to compile the vmware server modules within the build system. > oh dear, that's beyond me I think, I'm just a humble user > So in theory it should work. Thanks Heiko for the swift response but I guess it will have to remain theoretical for me. I'll find a different host for the VMs. Dominic |
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From: Heiko Z. <he...@zu...> - 2009-10-20 17:31:51
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Quoting Dominic Raferd <dl...@ed...>: > Heiko Zuerker wrote: >> Quoting Dominic Raferd <dl...@ed...>: >>> Does anyone know if it is possible to run VMware Server on Devil-Linux >>> (and thus use DL machine to host other vms)? If not, is there any other >>> way to host VMs on DL? [I know it's regularly done the other way around >>> (DL as a VM on a different host system.)] >>> >> It would only work with the server version of DL > good this is the one I use >> and you'd have to compile the vmware server modules within the build system. >> > oh dear, that's beyond me I think, I'm just a humble user >> So in theory it should work. > Thanks Heiko for the swift response but I guess it will have to remain > theoretical for me. I'll find a different host for the VMs. I recently switched to the free ESXi and I like it a lot. The main problem with ESXi is the limited hardware support, I ended up replacing a few components of my server to be able to use ESXi. -- Regards Heiko Zuerker http://www.devil-linux.org ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. |
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From: Dominic R. <dl...@ed...> - 2009-10-21 08:09:16
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Heiko Zuerker wrote: > Quoting Dominic Raferd <dl...@ed...>: > > >> Heiko Zuerker wrote: >> >>> Quoting Dominic Raferd <dl...@ed...>: >>> >>>> Does anyone know if it is possible to run VMware Server on Devil-Linux >>>> (and thus use DL machine to host other vms)? If not, is there any other >>>> way to host VMs on DL? [I know it's regularly done the other way around >>>> (DL as a VM on a different host system.)] >>>> >>>> >>> It would only work with the server version of DL >>> >> good this is the one I use >> >>> and you'd have to compile the vmware server modules within the build system. >>> >>> >> oh dear, that's beyond me I think, I'm just a humble user >> >>> So in theory it should work. >>> >> Thanks Heiko for the swift response but I guess it will have to remain >> theoretical for me. I'll find a different host for the VMs. >> > > I recently switched to the free ESXi and I like it a lot. > The main problem with ESXi is the limited hardware support, I ended up > replacing a few components of my server to be able to use ESXi. Thanks for the tip, I was unaware of this product and it looks pretty neat, I will investigate further. Dominic |
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From: Bruce S. <bw...@re...> - 2009-10-21 13:20:11
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> I recently switched to the free ESXi and I like it a lot. Agree! ESXi is a great product. I've used it in production for a couple clients. > The main problem with ESXi The other main problem with ESXi is a Windows-only client is required to administer it. Which for us Mac & Linux only households, it means I still need a copy of the old VMware-server (free) on Linux, or VMware-Fusion (not free) on Mac to run Windows to admin VMware-ESXi. :-( > is the limited hardware support, I ended up > replacing a few components of my server to be able to use ESXi. I'd love to be able to run ESXi at home on an old PC, but I haven't attempted it yet. (and I don't want to spend thousands of dollars on "supported" server hardware) What problems did you run into? What hardware did you replace to make it run? - BS |
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From: Heiko Z. <he...@zu...> - 2009-10-21 13:44:24
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Quoting Bruce Smith <bw...@re...>: >> I recently switched to the free ESXi and I like it a lot. > > Agree! ESXi is a great product. > > I've used it in production for a couple clients. > >> The main problem with ESXi > > The other main problem with ESXi is a Windows-only client is required > to administer it. Which for us Mac & Linux only households, it means > I still need a copy of the old VMware-server (free) on Linux, or > VMware-Fusion (not free) on Mac to run Windows to admin VMware-ESXi. > :-( I have a Windows VM running with the client installed. ;-) >> is the limited hardware support, I ended up >> replacing a few components of my server to be able to use ESXi. > > I'd love to be able to run ESXi at home on an old PC, but I haven't > attempted it yet. (and I don't want to spend thousands of dollars on > "supported" server hardware) > > What problems did you run into? What hardware did you replace to > make it run? It was a step-by-step process, but I basically I ended up replacing my 3ware sata raid controller with a LSI1068E one (supermicro has a cheap one), replaced the NIC with a Intel based Gig desktop card and also ended up replacing my board/cpu/ram since I wanted the hw virtualization support. -- Regards Heiko Zuerker http://www.devil-linux.org ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. |
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From: Bruce S. <bw...@re...> - 2009-10-21 14:02:31
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>>> The main problem with ESXi >> >> The other main problem with ESXi is a Windows-only client is required >> to administer it. Which for us Mac & Linux only households, it means >> I still need a copy of the old VMware-server (free) on Linux, or >> VMware-Fusion (not free) on Mac to run Windows to admin VMware-ESXi. >> :-( > > I have a Windows VM running with the client installed. ;-) Hopefully the VM is auto boot, and it has RDP enabled! :-) >>> is the limited hardware support, I ended up >>> replacing a few components of my server to be able to use ESXi. >> >> I'd love to be able to run ESXi at home on an old PC, but I haven't >> attempted it yet. (and I don't want to spend thousands of dollars on >> "supported" server hardware) >> >> What problems did you run into? What hardware did you replace to >> make it run? > > It was a step-by-step process, but I basically I ended up replacing my > 3ware sata raid controller with a LSI1068E one (supermicro has a cheap > one), replaced the NIC with a Intel based Gig desktop card and also > ended up replacing my board/cpu/ram since I wanted the hw > virtualization support. So basically, you ended up building a whole new machine. :-) Do you have a shopping list for anyone who wants to build one cheap? I've got a bunch of old IDE drives. Is there any way to make them work, or do I have to go SATA? - BS |
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From: John J. <jo...@jo...> - 2009-10-21 14:19:40
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Hi all, A bit off the DL topic, but thought I'd jump in, IDE normally works fine as an install media, or just boot from a USB stick with the ESXi version... but neither work as storage for the VMDK's afaik. Some SATA controllers looke like SCSI and can therefore host VMDKs. If you are creative, you can use iSCSI in the Service Console and present the IDE disk back to ESX as an iSCSI disk.... This used to work on the older version of ESX's, but not sure about vSphere. NFS is another option, but it must be NFS over TCP, not UDP. Intel hardware tends to work better than AMD as AMD server architecture is different from workstation and therfore less likly to work on kit people have at home. Most Intel network cards tend to work. (But check the HCL for chipset verification) Shopping list: I use cheap MSI Fuzzy mainboards, both embedded Intel network cards work fine with ESX. One is boot from USB the other Compact Flash, mini-itx formfactor. All use iSCSI from the OpenFiler distribution for the VMDKs (A mix of IDE and SATA disks). (Not all USB sticks work, it took me 3 attempts) JJ ________________________________________ From: Bruce Smith [bw...@re...] Sent: 21 October 2009 15:02 To: dev...@li... Subject: Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] Running VMware Server on Devil-Linux >>> The main problem with ESXi >> >> The other main problem with ESXi is a Windows-only client is required >> to administer it. Which for us Mac & Linux only households, it means >> I still need a copy of the old VMware-server (free) on Linux, or >> VMware-Fusion (not free) on Mac to run Windows to admin VMware-ESXi. >> :-( > > I have a Windows VM running with the client installed. ;-) Hopefully the VM is auto boot, and it has RDP enabled! :-) >>> is the limited hardware support, I ended up >>> replacing a few components of my server to be able to use ESXi. >> >> I'd love to be able to run ESXi at home on an old PC, but I haven't >> attempted it yet. (and I don't want to spend thousands of dollars on >> "supported" server hardware) >> >> What problems did you run into? What hardware did you replace to >> make it run? > > It was a step-by-step process, but I basically I ended up replacing my > 3ware sata raid controller with a LSI1068E one (supermicro has a cheap > one), replaced the NIC with a Intel based Gig desktop card and also > ended up replacing my board/cpu/ram since I wanted the hw > virtualization support. So basically, you ended up building a whole new machine. :-) Do you have a shopping list for anyone who wants to build one cheap? I've got a bunch of old IDE drives. Is there any way to make them work, or do I have to go SATA? - BS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ Devil-linux-discuss mailing list Dev...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/devil-linux-discuss |
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From: John J. <jo...@jo...> - 2009-10-21 14:21:58
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and Virtual Center Server and Client for Linux is on the horizon afaik... (Think I heard / read it was in beta testing, but i could be very, very wrong.) JJ ________________________________________ From: Bruce Smith [bw...@re...] Sent: 21 October 2009 15:02 To: dev...@li... Subject: Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] Running VMware Server on Devil-Linux >>> The main problem with ESXi >> >> The other main problem with ESXi is a Windows-only client is required >> to administer it. Which for us Mac & Linux only households, it means >> I still need a copy of the old VMware-server (free) on Linux, or >> VMware-Fusion (not free) on Mac to run Windows to admin VMware-ESXi. >> :-( > > I have a Windows VM running with the client installed. ;-) Hopefully the VM is auto boot, and it has RDP enabled! :-) >>> is the limited hardware support, I ended up >>> replacing a few components of my server to be able to use ESXi. >> >> I'd love to be able to run ESXi at home on an old PC, but I haven't >> attempted it yet. (and I don't want to spend thousands of dollars on >> "supported" server hardware) >> >> What problems did you run into? What hardware did you replace to >> make it run? > > It was a step-by-step process, but I basically I ended up replacing my > 3ware sata raid controller with a LSI1068E one (supermicro has a cheap > one), replaced the NIC with a Intel based Gig desktop card and also > ended up replacing my board/cpu/ram since I wanted the hw > virtualization support. So basically, you ended up building a whole new machine. :-) Do you have a shopping list for anyone who wants to build one cheap? I've got a bunch of old IDE drives. Is there any way to make them work, or do I have to go SATA? - BS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ Devil-linux-discuss mailing list Dev...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/devil-linux-discuss |
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From: Bruce S. <bw...@re...> - 2009-10-21 15:05:03
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> and Virtual Center Server and Client for Linux is on the horizon afaik... (Think I heard / read it was in beta testing, but i could be very, very wrong.) That would be nice, very nice. :-) Under the hood, ESX and ESXi are really Linux, so it seems silly to me that it requires a Windows client to admin the server. And it also bugs me that the VMware enterprise products ($$$) require a Windows server with MS-SQL. (the last time I looked anyway) - BS |
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From: Kari M. <kar...@tr...> - 2009-12-17 06:21:24
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----- "John Jore" <jo...@jo...> wrote: > and Virtual Center Server and Client for Linux is on the horizon > afaik... (Think I heard / read it was in beta testing, but i could be > very, very wrong.) Luckily you are not wrong :-) /KMa > JJ > > > ________________________________________ > From: Bruce Smith [bw...@re...] > Sent: 21 October 2009 15:02 > To: dev...@li... > Subject: Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] Running VMware Server on > Devil-Linux > > >>> The main problem with ESXi > >> > >> The other main problem with ESXi is a Windows-only client is > required > >> to administer it. Which for us Mac & Linux only households, it > means > >> I still need a copy of the old VMware-server (free) on Linux, or > >> VMware-Fusion (not free) on Mac to run Windows to admin > VMware-ESXi. > >> :-( > > > > I have a Windows VM running with the client installed. ;-) > > Hopefully the VM is auto boot, and it has RDP enabled! :-) > > >>> is the limited hardware support, I ended up > >>> replacing a few components of my server to be able to use ESXi. > >> > >> I'd love to be able to run ESXi at home on an old PC, but I > haven't > >> attempted it yet. (and I don't want to spend thousands of dollars > on > >> "supported" server hardware) > >> > >> What problems did you run into? What hardware did you replace to > >> make it run? > > > > It was a step-by-step process, but I basically I ended up replacing > my > > 3ware sata raid controller with a LSI1068E one (supermicro has a > cheap > > one), replaced the NIC with a Intel based Gig desktop card and also > > ended up replacing my board/cpu/ram since I wanted the hw > > virtualization support. > > So basically, you ended up building a whole new machine. :-) > > Do you have a shopping list for anyone who wants to build one cheap? > > I've got a bunch of old IDE drives. Is there any way to make them > work, or do I have to go SATA? > > - BS > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart > your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and > stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference > _______________________________________________ > Devil-linux-discuss mailing list > Dev...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/devil-linux-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart > your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and > stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference > _______________________________________________ > Devil-linux-discuss mailing list > Dev...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/devil-linux-discuss |
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From: Heiko Z. <he...@zu...> - 2009-10-21 14:32:07
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Quoting Bruce Smith <bw...@re...>: >>>> The main problem with ESXi >>> >>> The other main problem with ESXi is a Windows-only client is required >>> to administer it. Which for us Mac & Linux only households, it means >>> I still need a copy of the old VMware-server (free) on Linux, or >>> VMware-Fusion (not free) on Mac to run Windows to admin VMware-ESXi. >>> :-( >> >> I have a Windows VM running with the client installed. ;-) > > Hopefully the VM is auto boot, and it has RDP enabled! :-) Yes it does, but I use VNC instead of RDP (VNC is build into VMware). You can enable SSH for ESXi, then worst case you just start it via the command line. ;-) >>>> is the limited hardware support, I ended up >>>> replacing a few components of my server to be able to use ESXi. >>> >>> I'd love to be able to run ESXi at home on an old PC, but I haven't >>> attempted it yet. (and I don't want to spend thousands of dollars on >>> "supported" server hardware) >>> >>> What problems did you run into? What hardware did you replace to >>> make it run? >> >> It was a step-by-step process, but I basically I ended up replacing my >> 3ware sata raid controller with a LSI1068E one (supermicro has a cheap >> one), replaced the NIC with a Intel based Gig desktop card and also >> ended up replacing my board/cpu/ram since I wanted the hw >> virtualization support. > > So basically, you ended up building a whole new machine. :-) Basically ;-) > Do you have a shopping list for anyone who wants to build one cheap? No I do not, but this website is very helpful: http://www.vm-help.com/ > I've got a bunch of old IDE drives. Is there any way to make them > work, or do I have to go SATA? You'll need to use either a IDE Raid Controller (software raid won't work!) or get lucky and the build-in controller is supported for booting (you probably won't get lucky there). -- Regards Heiko Zuerker http://www.devil-linux.org ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. |
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From: Dominic R. <dl...@ed...> - 2009-10-22 15:26:08
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Bruce Smith wrote: > I've got a bunch of old IDE drives. Is there any way to make them work, or do I have to go SATA? > I did a dry-run setting up VMware ESXi 4.0 on my Foxconn Winfast 6150M2MA m/board (AMD X2 4600+ CPU, 2GB, Nvidia GeForce 6150 chipset). It installed fine, I could connect to it remotely with vSphere Client, and it presented all local disks (SATA *and IDE*, there was no SCSI on this machine) in the list of LUNs as candidates for data storage. VMDirectPath (which can make PCI cards available to hosted VMs) was not supported [I think because this motherboard does not support IOMMU (aka AMD-Vi)]. But without so much as a 'by your leave' it modified the partition tables for all local disks (even though the only disk allocated for ESXi data storage was the one on which ESXi was installed) - which caused me some problems afterwards. Something to watch out for! I didn't install any VMs, and the hardware is now back to its prior configuration. Dominic |
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From: John J. <jo...@jo...> - 2009-10-22 15:46:06
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yes... the install guide(s) recommends unplugging all SAN cables to avoid any post-install issues before installing ESX... Nice touch with the IDE btw. JJ ________________________________________ From: Dominic Raferd [dl...@ed...] Sent: 22 October 2009 16:25 To: dev...@li... Subject: Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] Running VMware Server on Devil-Linux Bruce Smith wrote: > I've got a bunch of old IDE drives. Is there any way to make them work, or do I have to go SATA? > I did a dry-run setting up VMware ESXi 4.0 on my Foxconn Winfast 6150M2MA m/board (AMD X2 4600+ CPU, 2GB, Nvidia GeForce 6150 chipset). It installed fine, I could connect to it remotely with vSphere Client, and it presented all local disks (SATA *and IDE*, there was no SCSI on this machine) in the list of LUNs as candidates for data storage. VMDirectPath (which can make PCI cards available to hosted VMs) was not supported [I think because this motherboard does not support IOMMU (aka AMD-Vi)]. But without so much as a 'by your leave' it modified the partition tables for all local disks (even though the only disk allocated for ESXi data storage was the one on which ESXi was installed) - which caused me some problems afterwards. Something to watch out for! I didn't install any VMs, and the hardware is now back to its prior configuration. Dominic ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ Devil-linux-discuss mailing list Dev...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/devil-linux-discuss |
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From: Bruce S. <bw...@re...> - 2009-10-22 15:55:15
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As a side note, I recently read an article that gave instructions on how to install ESXi on VMware Workstation or Server. I'm not sure why anyone would want to do that, other than for testing or just to see it run. But I guess it's possible. :-) - BS > yes... the install guide(s) recommends unplugging all SAN cables to avoid any post-install issues before installing ESX... > > Nice touch with the IDE btw. > > > JJ > > ________________________________________ > From: Dominic Raferd [dl...@ed...] > Sent: 22 October 2009 16:25 > To: dev...@li... > Subject: Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] Running VMware Server on Devil-Linux > > Bruce Smith wrote: >> I've got a bunch of old IDE drives. Is there any way to make them work, or do I have to go SATA? >> > I did a dry-run setting up VMware ESXi 4.0 on my Foxconn Winfast > 6150M2MA m/board (AMD X2 4600+ CPU, 2GB, Nvidia GeForce 6150 chipset). > It installed fine, I could connect to it remotely with vSphere Client, > and it presented all local disks (SATA *and IDE*, there was no SCSI on > this machine) in the list of LUNs as candidates for data storage. > VMDirectPath (which can make PCI cards available to hosted VMs) was not > supported [I think because this motherboard does not support IOMMU (aka > AMD-Vi)]. > > But without so much as a 'by your leave' it modified the partition > tables for all local disks (even though the only disk allocated for ESXi > data storage was the one on which ESXi was installed) - which caused me > some problems afterwards. Something to watch out for! > > I didn't install any VMs, and the hardware is now back to its prior > configuration. > > Dominic |
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From: John B. <sag...@gm...> - 2009-10-22 19:07:45
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> How much more trouble is virtualbox, compared to VMware server or > VMware workstation running on Linux? How do the two compare, in your > opinion? Whenever possible, I avoid commercial SW; however, IMHO, Virtualbox (VB) is not an alternative. VB has a similar initial appearance, but at least as of 1 year ago, it was extraordinarily painful to use. The virtual disks had a crypto assignment which made copying them and moving from one VM to another virtually impossible. I recall cloning simply did not work and snapshots were not useful the way they are under VM. I simply filed VB under "forget the details & never touch this again". For the record, I was hosting under gentoo. |
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From: Frank W. <fra...@ct...> - 2009-10-22 19:30:32
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John Boden wrote: >> How much more trouble is virtualbox, compared to VMware server or >> VMware workstation running on Linux? How do the two compare, in your >> opinion? >> > > Whenever possible, I avoid commercial SW; however, IMHO, > Virtualbox (VB) is not an alternative. > VB has a similar initial appearance, but at least as of 1 year ago, > it was extraordinarily painful to use. The virtual disks had a crypto > assignment > which made copying them and moving from one VM to another virtually impossible. > I recall cloning simply did not work and snapshots were not useful the > way they are under VM. I simply filed VB under "forget the details & > never touch this again". For the record, I was hosting under gentoo. > > Hi, in that case, you should give it another go.... If I remember correctly, I started using it in January, and I remember that copying vm's was difficult at the time. Development is quite active however and I have since copied vm's to and fro, without a hitch. I made an XP vm that I have running on at least 5 different hosts. It's even useable on an Atom-based netbook.... Regards, Frank |
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From: Frank W. <Fra...@ct...> - 2009-10-21 14:09:14
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Bruce Smith wrote: > > The other main problem with ESXi is a Windows-only client is required > to administer it. Which for us Mac & Linux only households, it means > I still need a copy of the old VMware-server (free) on Linux, or > VMware-Fusion (not free) on Mac to run Windows to admin VMware-ESXi. > :-( If you are willing to go to this level of trouble (I am), you could run your Windows-only client in a virtualbox (http://www.virtualbox.org/). It is an good contender to vmware-desktop, and it's free. Frank -- _______________________________________________ Centre de Technologie de l'Education 29 avenue John F. Kennedy L-1855 Luxembourg-Kirchberg email: Fra...@ct... tél.: +352 247-85973 fax: +352 333797 _______________________________________________ |
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From: Bruce S. <bw...@re...> - 2009-10-21 15:01:15
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>> The other main problem with ESXi is a Windows-only client is required >> to administer it. Which for us Mac & Linux only households, it means >> I still need a copy of the old VMware-server (free) on Linux, or >> VMware-Fusion (not free) on Mac to run Windows to admin VMware-ESXi. > > If you are willing to go to this level of trouble (I am), you could run > your Windows-only client in a virtualbox (http://www.virtualbox.org/). > It is an good contender to vmware-desktop, and it's free. How much more trouble is virtualbox, compared to VMware server or VMware workstation running on Linux? How do the two compare, in your opinion? - BS |
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From: John J. <jo...@jo...> - 2009-10-21 15:21:52
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for the backend db, Oracle is fully supported and IBM DB2 support is experimental. so when/if the VC vServer and vClient for Linux are released these should be supported and hopefully/maybe a couple of other, free, flavours too. ________________________________________ From: Bruce Smith [bw...@re...] Sent: 21 October 2009 16:04 To: dev...@li... Subject: Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] Running VMware Server on Devil-Linux > and Virtual Center Server and Client for Linux is on the horizon afaik... (Think I heard / read it was in beta testing, but i could be very, very wrong.) That would be nice, very nice. :-) Under the hood, ESX and ESXi are really Linux, so it seems silly to me that it requires a Windows client to admin the server. And it also bugs me that the VMware enterprise products ($$$) require a Windows server with MS-SQL. (the last time I looked anyway) - BS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ Devil-linux-discuss mailing list Dev...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/devil-linux-discuss |
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From: Bruce S. <bw...@re...> - 2009-10-21 16:23:30
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> for the backend db, Oracle is fully supported and IBM DB2 support is experimental. so when/if the VC vServer and vClient for Linux are released these should be supported and hopefully/maybe a couple of other, free, flavours too. My main complaint is the Windows server and a commercial DB as extra costs. It'd sure be nice to run it on Linux with MySQL and/or PostgreSQL. Hopefully someday! :-) - BS |
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From: Moray M. <mmc...@ox...> - 2009-10-21 15:44:29
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>Under the hood, ESX and ESXi are really Linux, so it seems silly to me >that it requires a Windows client to admin the server. I wondered about this, because ESXi claims one of its differences with ESX is that it doesn't rely on an underlying OS. To which I thought: eh? Comparing ESX and ESXi they say: "Although neither hypervisor relies on an OS for resource management, VMware ESX relies on a Linux operating system, called the service console, to perform two management functions: executing scripts and installing third party agents for hardware monitoring, backup or systems management. The service console has been removed from ESXi, drastically reducing the hypervisor footprint and completing the ongoing trend of migrating management functionality from the local command line interface to remote management tools. The smaller code base of ESXi represents a smaller "attack surface" and less code to patch, improving reliability and security. The functionally of the service console is replaced by remote command line interfaces and adherence to system management standards." To which I still think: eh? Just remember less is more guys, less is more. http://www.vmware.com/products/esxi/uses.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ Devil-linux-discuss mailing list Dev...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/devil-linux-discuss |
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From: Bruce S. <bw...@re...> - 2009-10-21 16:21:24
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>>Under the hood, ESX and ESXi are really Linux, so it seems silly to me >>that it requires a Windows client to admin the server. > > I wondered about this, because ESXi claims one of its differences with > ESX is that it doesn't rely on an underlying OS. To which I thought: eh? They try to hide it, but it's still Linux (or based on Linux). A more stripped down version of Linux, but still Linux. There is a hack you can do to let you SSH into ESXi and get a shell prompt to prove it to yourself. - BS |
