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Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] 1.3.4 starting mysql

[Heiko Z. <he...@zu...>]

I have the same problem and always thought it's my installation which  
must have something wrong.
I researched it too and couldn't find anything.

Maybe there's something missing which we need to start first. I'm not  
sure when I'll have time to look at this, so if anybody else got time  
and wants to attack this issue...


-- 

Regards
   Heiko Zuerker
   http://www.devil-linux.org



Quoting Dick Middleton <di...@li...>:

> Hi,
>
> 	Playing with 1.3.4-2008-03-10-i686
>
> I have a little trouble with mysql.  For some reason it doesn't start at boot
> time - i.e when run from rc3.d/  but it starts OK with /etc/init.d/mysqld.
>
> At boot time it prints "Starting MYSQL server [OK]", it initializes the data
> directory if needed but then stops.  I see no errors in syslog or  
> mysql.log.  It
> starts manually no bother.
>
> Any thoughts about that?
>
> Dick
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[Devil-Linux-discuss] 1.3.4 dovecot cmusieve

[Dick M. <di...@li...>]

Hi,

	Any chance of adding the cmusieve libraries to the dovecot lda plugins 
directory for 1.3....

You get them from here: http://www.dovecot.org/download.html

Thanks

Dick

[Devil-Linux-discuss] 1.3.4 starting mysql

[Dick M. <di...@li...>]

Hi,

	Playing with 1.3.4-2008-03-10-i686

I have a little trouble with mysql.  For some reason it doesn't start at boot 
time - i.e when run from rc3.d/  but it starts OK with /etc/init.d/mysqld.

At boot time it prints "Starting MYSQL server [OK]", it initializes the data 
directory if needed but then stops.  I see no errors in syslog or mysql.log.  It 
starts manually no bother.

Any thoughts about that?

Dick

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] Doh, I've done it again...

[Dick M. <di...@fo...>]

 > For your amusement:

 > http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page/item/epeng001.shtml?src=ip_potpw

 > (might not be avail in all countries)

If you can't get the real thing here it is on YouTube:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nrxmpihCjqw

Sorry, OT  ;-)

Dick

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] Doh, I've done it again...

[Dick M. <di...@li...>]

Serge,

>> Firstly install-on-usb didn't put the etc.tar.bz2 on the usb stick.

I asked it to put it on but for some reason it wasn't there.  I've not 
investigated that.

> Basically, manual scanning for devices is obsolete feature.

I didn't ask it to scan, it just did it.

> Hm.. Correct me if I'm wrong. You loaded DL from CD and said "Load without
> configuration media" because only after it "/dev/null" is written to
> DL_CONFIG_SOURCE.

No, see above.  I did nothing wrong, honest - well, except consume a little red 
falling-over water :-)

> Later, you wanted to save configs and typed " save-config -s"
> and it doesn't work in spite of the fact the config file exists.

No, it didn't exist, that's the point.

> If you want to save config files into some partition you may use "-d" option.

That's a better way.  I should've tried -h for help and save editing 
DL_CONFIG_SOURCE but I was more interested in getting 1.3 running.

> Also there is no necessity to edit DL_CONFIG_SOURCE if the config file may be
> found on the configuration media during the boot process.

Absolutely, once there's a config file there's no problem.  I'm really just 
reporting what happens when there is no config file.

Wouldn't it be a lot easier to just ask upfront where to put the config file if 
there isn't one?  Keep it simple; it doesn't happen very often.

> If the above is correct you are ready to use install-on-hdd script! :-)

Something new to play with!

( BTW the documentation on the web site still talks about floppy discs! )

> PS. I posted the message with install-on-hdd, which is a bit more
> featured version of install-on-usb script.

the possibility to recreate initrd (TODO: change in to
> initramfs) to have only really necessary modules loaded.

Yes, that needs to be done.  Every man and his dog is being loaded now.

Anyway, I'm sure you'll get there.  I was just reporting what I encountered. 
I'm not demanding you fix it.

BTW - I like the run from ram feature.  And I'm so pleased to be leaving 2.4 and 
devfs behind!

Thanks for all your efforts

Dick

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] Doh, I've done it again...

[Serge L. <fi...@in...>]

Hi Dick,

Dick Middleton wrote:

> 
> Firstly install-on-usb didn't put the etc.tar.bz2 on the usb stick.  So there 
> was no config file.  That unleashes a few issues.  Firstly if you answer the 
> scan scsi devices 'no' it goes into a loop.  ^C to stop that.
Basically, manual scanning for devices is obsolete feature. Such job should make
udev (but busybox's mdev doesn't work for some reason). Heiko wrote about it some
time ago.

> 
> Then it gets a bit cross because it's got no config file.  You have to say to 
> use the default config at least twice (sorry I'm being a bit vague).  Then when 
> you come to save the config file - it has /dev/null in DL_CONFIG_SOURCE - it 
> says use save-config -s  but all that does is go into a loop.  I had to edit 
> DL_CONFIG_SOURCE to get it to work.
Hm.. Correct me if I'm wrong. You loaded DL from CD and said "Load without
configuration media" because only after it "/dev/null" is written to
DL_CONFIG_SOURCE. Later, you wanted to save configs and typed " save-config -s"
and it doesn't work in spite of the fact the config file exists. Hm... I'll try
to reproduce it.

If you want to save config files into some partition you may use "-d" option.
Also there is no necessity to edit DL_CONFIG_SOURCE if the config file may be
found on the configuration media during the boot process. So, if your config
file was not found, probably it's because the scsi/sata module was not loaded.
If the above is correct you are ready to use install-on-hdd script! :-)

PS. I posted the message with install-on-hdd, which is a bit more
featured version of install-on-usb script. I did the modification to help with
DL installation on brand new hardware, i.e. SATA disks or specific SCSI without
USB sticks or floppy. In my case I keep not only ISO on HDD but the config file
also (not production, but big test farm). There is the useful option in
install-on-hdd - the possibility to recreate initrd (TODO: change in to
initramfs) to have only really necessary modules loaded.

> 
> For your amusement:
> 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page/item/epeng001.shtml?src=ip_potpw
> 
> (might not be avail in all countries)
Oh, the ip chirps my third-rater origin. I'll not be honest and
try to confuse web-engine by using Californian proxy ;-).


--
Sincerely,
Serge Leschinsky

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] DL 1.4 ?

[Serge L. <fi...@in...>]

Heiko Zuerker wrote:

>> Seriously, openssh 5.0p1 has a lot of new features, the most important for
..
>> If there are no objections, I'll update it.
> 
> no objections
> 
Done. Cannot help but have done patch-o-matic and l7-protocols update as well.

--
Serge

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] DL 1.4 ?

[Bruce S. <bw...@ar...>]

> >>> 1.4-rc. Maybe it will be reasonable to freeze package update for some time
> >>> because usually exactly it leads to new bugs.
> >> We wouldn't be able to freeze all package updates, since we would at least
> >> have to include the security ones.
> > 
> > I don't think we need to freeze anything.  Normal package upgrades
> > should be OK.  
> Ok, I was wrong.

You had a different opinion, which is fine, that doesn't mean you were
"wrong".  Hell, you may end up bring right, and the rest of us wrong.
Time will tell!  :-)

My thinking is that we're constantly updating (and adding) packages to
1.2, so I don't see a need to freeze 1.3.  At least now.  Maybe later if
we get really close to a major release.  (or maybe not, don't know :)

 - BS

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] DL 1.4 ?

[Heiko Z. <he...@zu...>]

> Heiko,
>
> Heiko Zuerker wrote:
>
>> We wouldn't be able to freeze all package updates, since we would at
>> least
>> have to include the security ones.
>>
> ok. No code (source) freezing... Does it mean I can update openssh to 5.0
> and
> nmap to 4.60 ? :-)
>
> Seriously, openssh 5.0p1 has a lot of new features, the most important for
> me
> are :
> * Added chroot(2) support for sshd(8)
> * Linked sftp-server(8) into sshd(8)
>
> If there are no objections, I'll update it.

no objections

-- 

Regards
  Heiko Zuerker
  http://www.devil-linux.org

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] DL 1.4 ?

[Serge L. <fi...@in...>]

Heiko,

Heiko Zuerker wrote:

> We wouldn't be able to freeze all package updates, since we would at least
> have to include the security ones.
> 
ok. No code (source) freezing... Does it mean I can update openssh to 5.0 and
nmap to 4.60 ? :-)

Seriously, openssh 5.0p1 has a lot of new features, the most important for me
are :
* Added chroot(2) support for sshd(8)
* Linked sftp-server(8) into sshd(8)

If there are no objections, I'll update it.

--
Sincerely,
Serge Leschinsky

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] DL 1.4 ?

[Serge L. <fi...@in...>]

Hi,

Bruce Smith wrote:

>>> 1.4-rc. Maybe it will be reasonable to freeze package update for some time
>>> because usually exactly it leads to new bugs.
>> We wouldn't be able to freeze all package updates, since we would at least
>> have to include the security ones.
> 
> I don't think we need to freeze anything.  Normal package upgrades
> should be OK.  
Ok, I was wrong.


> If we add new packages, don't let they don't hold us up releasing 1.4.
> If they have problems, we won't turn them on in the 'default' options
> and we won't include them in the 1.4 ISO until they are working.
ok

--
Serge Leschinsky

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] DL 1.4 ?

[Heiko Z. <he...@zu...>]

>> >> Let's wait what Serge has to say, but I would be willing to release
>> >> 1.4-RC1 soon.
>> > I vote to fix all critical issues we were already informed about and
>> > produce
>> > 1.4-rc. Maybe it will be reasonable to freeze package update for some
>> time
>> > because usually exactly it leads to new bugs.
>>
>> We wouldn't be able to freeze all package updates, since we would at
>> least
>> have to include the security ones.
>
> I don't think we need to freeze anything.  Normal package upgrades
> should be OK.
>
> If we add new packages, don't let they don't hold us up releasing 1.4.
> If they have problems, we won't turn them on in the 'default' options
> and we won't include them in the 1.4 ISO until they are working.

agreed


-- 

Regards
  Heiko Zuerker
  http://www.devil-linux.org

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] DL 1.4 ?

[Bruce S. <bw...@ar...>]

> >> Let's wait what Serge has to say, but I would be willing to release
> >> 1.4-RC1 soon.
> > I vote to fix all critical issues we were already informed about and
> > produce
> > 1.4-rc. Maybe it will be reasonable to freeze package update for some time
> > because usually exactly it leads to new bugs.
> 
> We wouldn't be able to freeze all package updates, since we would at least
> have to include the security ones.

I don't think we need to freeze anything.  Normal package upgrades
should be OK.  

If we add new packages, don't let they don't hold us up releasing 1.4.
If they have problems, we won't turn them on in the 'default' options
and we won't include them in the 1.4 ISO until they are working.

 - BS

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] DL 1.4 ?

[Heiko Z. <he...@zu...>]

> Hi,
>
> Heiko Zuerker wrote:
>>>> I think there are still a few issues in 1.3, but we should be pretty
>>>> close
>>>> to production quality I would say.
>>> I vote (if we were voting :) that we turn 1.3 into 1.4 right now, and
>>> fix any new problems as they come up.
>>>
>>> We're not going to find all the current bugs until we call it "stable"
>>> and get more people using it.
>>>
>>> Plus applying changes/updates to both 1.2 and 1.3 is a real pain.  :-(
> Yes, it is not so easy to keep it synced, but I find out a "good strategy"
> - to
> update 1.3 and if it's ok to move  it to 1.2 :-) - a-la beta/stable
> branches.
> There is only one difficulty to not forget to move it to 1.2 after a hold.
> :-))
>
>>>
>>> At our current rate, kernel 2.8 will be out before DL 1.4.  ;-)
>>
>> Let's wait what Serge has to say, but I would be willing to release
>> 1.4-RC1 soon.
> I vote to fix all critical issues we were already informed about and
> produce
> 1.4-rc. Maybe it will be reasonable to freeze package update for some time
> because usually exactly it leads to new bugs.

We wouldn't be able to freeze all package updates, since we would at least
have to include the security ones.

-- 

Regards
  Heiko Zuerker
  http://www.devil-linux.org

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] DL 1.4 ?

[Serge L. <fi...@in...>]

Hi,

Heiko Zuerker wrote:
>>> I think there are still a few issues in 1.3, but we should be pretty
>>> close
>>> to production quality I would say.
>> I vote (if we were voting :) that we turn 1.3 into 1.4 right now, and
>> fix any new problems as they come up.
>>
>> We're not going to find all the current bugs until we call it "stable"
>> and get more people using it.
>>
>> Plus applying changes/updates to both 1.2 and 1.3 is a real pain.  :-(
Yes, it is not so easy to keep it synced, but I find out a "good strategy" - to
update 1.3 and if it's ok to move  it to 1.2 :-) - a-la beta/stable branches.
There is only one difficulty to not forget to move it to 1.2 after a hold. :-))

>>
>> At our current rate, kernel 2.8 will be out before DL 1.4.  ;-)
> 
> Let's wait what Serge has to say, but I would be willing to release
> 1.4-RC1 soon.
I vote to fix all critical issues we were already informed about and produce
1.4-rc. Maybe it will be reasonable to freeze package update for some time
because usually exactly it leads to new bugs.


--
Sincerely,
Serge Leschinsky

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] tc_segfaults_DL_1.3.4

[Oliver N. <dig...@gm...>]

Heiko Zuerker wrote:


> Since you're compiling yourself, try updating this package and see if it
> helps.
> http://devresources.linux-foundation.org/dev/iproute2/download/iproute2-2.6.24-rc7.tar.bz2
> 

This helped! tc works like expected!

Thanks a lot, this was important for me.


----
Oliver

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] Doh, I've done it again...

[Dick M. <di...@li...>]

Heiko Zuerker wrote:

>> Follow-on question:  roughly when can we can we look forward to a stable
>> DL 1.3?

> Honestly no idea.
> I'm using a CVS version of 1.3 as my firewall and coulnd't see any
> problems yet.
> 
> I think there are still a few issues in 1.3, but we should be pretty close
> to production quality I would say.

Well, I've just run it up (10th March version) and it's looking good.  There are 
one or two problems with the initial scripts.

Firstly install-on-usb didn't put the etc.tar.bz2 on the usb stick.  So there 
was no config file.  That unleashes a few issues.  Firstly if you answer the 
scan scsi devices 'no' it goes into a loop.  ^C to stop that.

Then it gets a bit cross because it's got no config file.  You have to say to 
use the default config at least twice (sorry I'm being a bit vague).  Then when 
you come to save the config file - it has /dev/null in DL_CONFIG_SOURCE - it 
says use save-config -s  but all that does is go into a loop.  I had to edit 
DL_CONFIG_SOURCE to get it to work.

No problems with the important stuff but I've not actually used anything on it yet.

Dick

For your amusement:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page/item/epeng001.shtml?src=ip_potpw

(might not be avail in all countries)

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] DL 1.4 ?

[Rudner, B. <br...@ba...>]

I'm using DL 1.3 now for many months without any (major) issues in production as Firewalling/Loadbalancing/Clustering/ApacheReverseProxy.

BTW: Can anyone with FTP-Write-Access update the shorewall-packages?
I've included them two weeks ago an my last monthly update-build and had no issues with that.
Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
Björn

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Betreff: Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] DL 1.4 ?


>> I think there are still a few issues in 1.3, but we should be pretty
>> close
>> to production quality I would say.
>
> I vote (if we were voting :) that we turn 1.3 into 1.4 right now, and
> fix any new problems as they come up.
>
> We're not going to find all the current bugs until we call it "stable"
> and get more people using it.
>
> Plus applying changes/updates to both 1.2 and 1.3 is a real pain.  :-(
>
> At our current rate, kernel 2.8 will be out before DL 1.4.  ;-)

Let's wait what Serge has to say, but I would be willing to release
1.4-RC1 soon.

-- 

Regards
  Heiko Zuerker
  http://www.devil-linux.org



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Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] tc_segfaults_DL_1.3.4

[Bruce S. <bw...@ar...>]

> After the solved build issues i gave the latest 1.3.4 build a try.
> Seems everything ok for now, except the traffic-shaping part.
> If i try:
> 
> tc qdisc show	
> 
> the command gives a Segmentation fault message.
> 
> Could someone please check, if this is a general failure or just on my
> machine?

It segfaults on the DL 1.3 I built last night too.

Looks like we are missing a library, according to 'strace':

...
mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xb7e6a000
open("/usr/lib/tc/q_prio.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++


 - BS

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] tc_segfaults_DL_1.3.4

[Heiko Z. <he...@zu...>]

> Hi, again!
>
> After the solved build issues i gave the latest 1.3.4 build a try.
> Seems everything ok for now, except the traffic-shaping part.
> If i try:
>
> tc qdisc show
>
> the command gives a Segmentation fault message.
>
> Could someone please check, if this is a general failure or just on my
> machine?

I get the segfault too.
I downloaded the latest release candidate of the iproute2 package and
started a new compile. Not sure if it's going to solve it. Unfortunately I
didn't find a changelog for the package.

Since you're compiling yourself, try updating this package and see if it
helps.
http://devresources.linux-foundation.org/dev/iproute2/download/iproute2-2.6.24-rc7.tar.bz2


-- 

Regards
  Heiko Zuerker
  http://www.devil-linux.org

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] tc_segfaults_DL_1.3.4

[Serge L. <fi...@in...>]

Hi Olli,

Oliver Niesner wrote:

> 
> the command gives a Segmentation fault message.
> 
> Could someone please check, if this is a general failure or just on my
> machine?
I have to confirm.

I've tried to update iproute2 package to the latest rc
http://devresources.linux-foundation.org/dev/iproute2/download/iproute2-2.6.24-rc7.tar.bz2
and exactly that bug seems to be fixed.
	
	root:/data/build/tmp/iproute2-2.6.23# tc/tc qdisc show
	Segmentation fault

	root:/data/build/tmp/iproute2-2.6.24-rc7# tc/tc qdisc show
	qdisc pfifo_fast 0: dev eth0 root bands 3 priomap  1 2 2 2 1 2 0 0 1 1 1

So, I can only suggest either update the package to 2.6.24-rc7 or rollback to
previous version.

I'm sorry for the inconvenience.

--
 Serge

> 
> thx,
> 
> Olli
>

[Devil-Linux-discuss] tc_segfaults_DL_1.3.4

[Oliver N. <dig...@gm...>]

Hi, again!

After the solved build issues i gave the latest 1.3.4 build a try.
Seems everything ok for now, except the traffic-shaping part.
If i try:

tc qdisc show	

the command gives a Segmentation fault message.

Could someone please check, if this is a general failure or just on my
machine?

thx,

Olli

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] DL 1.4 ?

[Heiko Z. <he...@zu...>]

>> I think there are still a few issues in 1.3, but we should be pretty
>> close
>> to production quality I would say.
>
> I vote (if we were voting :) that we turn 1.3 into 1.4 right now, and
> fix any new problems as they come up.
>
> We're not going to find all the current bugs until we call it "stable"
> and get more people using it.
>
> Plus applying changes/updates to both 1.2 and 1.3 is a real pain.  :-(
>
> At our current rate, kernel 2.8 will be out before DL 1.4.  ;-)

Let's wait what Serge has to say, but I would be willing to release
1.4-RC1 soon.

-- 

Regards
  Heiko Zuerker
  http://www.devil-linux.org

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] Doh, I've done it again...

[Dick M. <di...@li...>]

Bruce Smith wrote:
>> Follow-on question:  roughly when can we can we look forward to a stable DL 1.3?
> 
> As far as I'm concerned, it's stable now.

Oh wow! I hadn't realised things were doing so well.

I'll download and give it a shot.

Thanks guys

Dick

Re: [Devil-Linux-discuss] Doh, I've done it again...

[Bruce S. <bw...@ar...>]

> I think there are still a few issues in 1.3, but we should be pretty close
> to production quality I would say.

I vote (if we were voting :) that we turn 1.3 into 1.4 right now, and
fix any new problems as they come up.

We're not going to find all the current bugs until we call it "stable"
and get more people using it.

Plus applying changes/updates to both 1.2 and 1.3 is a real pain.  :-(

At our current rate, kernel 2.8 will be out before DL 1.4.  ;-)

 - BS