devil-linux-develop

Re: [Devil-linux-develop] Software Additions

[Heiko Z. <hz...@pr...>]

On 10/16/2003 09:18:26 AM Bruce Smith wrote:
>General question (not necessarily directed toward UPnP):
>
>Do we need to start getting picky about what software is included?
>
>One of these days in the not so distant future, the DL ISO is going to=

>become too large to fit on a single CD.  In my experience it's much
>easier to reject software requests now, as opposed to removing softwar=
e
>later to reduce the size. (at least we won't piss off people as much :=
)
>
>Or maybe we don't worry about it, and when DL doesn't fit on a CD any
>longer we start building different ISO's?  (firewall edition, mail
>server edition, web server edition, ... stupid software edition :)
>
>Or maybe DL goes DVD-only after it surpasses the 650/700MB limit?
>
>As I said, I'm not picking on UPnP.  I haven't read about it yet, and
>don't really understand what it is.  This is just something I've been
>wondering about for awhile ...

It's a very good point.

I'm not sure how we should handle it.
It's sometimes hard to decide if we really need a specific software.

cya
  Heiko
=

Re: [Devil-linux-develop] Software Additions

[Heiko Z. <hz...@pr...>]

On 10/16/2003 09:57:07 AM Bruce Smith wrote:
>> >One of these days in the not so distant future, the DL ISO is going=

>to
>> >become too large to fit on a single CD.  In my experience it's much=

>> >easier to reject software requests now, as opposed to removing
>software
>> >later to reduce the size. (at least we won't piss off people as muc=
h
>:)
>> >
>> >Or maybe we don't worry about it, and when DL doesn't fit on a CD a=
ny
>> >longer we start building different ISO's?  (firewall edition, mail
>> >server edition, web server edition, ... stupid software edition :)
>> >
>> >Or maybe DL goes DVD-only after it surpasses the 650/700MB limit?
>>
>> It's a very good point.
>
>I'm afraid it'll happen soon.  Especially if we keep adding everything=

>that is requested.  Everybody is going to want something different.
>
>> I'm not sure how we should handle it.
>> It's sometimes hard to decide if we really need a specific software.=

>
>Let me say first that I'm NOT in favor of a DVD distro, which leaves u=
s
>with two other options (as far as I can tell):
>
>1)  Get tough and start rejecting software requests.
>
>2)  Keep accepting all/most reasonable requests and plan on creating
>multiple editions (ISO's) sometime in the future.
>
>I'm actually leaning toward #2.  If we go with #1 and don't accept
>another software request ever again, we'll still run out of room somed=
ay
>because existing packages will continue growing in size.

I agree with 2, too. ;-)

We were talking about this earlier, it should be fairly easy to add
profiles to our menuconfig.

cya
  Heiko
=

Re: [Devil-linux-develop] Software Additions

[Bruce S. <bw...@ar...>]

> >Let me say first that I'm NOT in favor of a DVD distro, which leaves us
> >with two other options (as far as I can tell):
> >
> >1)  Get tough and start rejecting software requests.
> >
> >2)  Keep accepting all/most reasonable requests and plan on creating
> >multiple editions (ISO's) sometime in the future.
> >
> >I'm actually leaning toward #2.  If we go with #1 and don't accept
> >another software request ever again, we'll still run out of room someday
> >because existing packages will continue growing in size.
> 
> I agree with 2, too. ;-)

Yeah.  I'd only agree with #1 if I get what *I* want included!  ;-)

Speaking of adding crap, how about "gpm"?  
Sometimes it'd be nice to be able to copy/paste stuff with a mouse.
And it'd be easier for users to send exact error messages to us!  :-)

> We were talking about this earlier, it should be fairly easy to add
> profiles to our menuconfig.

Deciding what to put in the profiles will be the difficult thing.
Everyone will want a different combination, like the recent poster 
who's running Samba on his firewall because money is tight ...
(not picking on him, I just see Samba being in a different profile
that the firewall stuff)

 - BS

Re: [Devil-linux-develop] Software Additions

[Heiko Z. <hz...@pr...>]

On 10/16/2003 10:47:37 AM Bruce Smith wrote:
>> >Let me say first that I'm NOT in favor of a DVD distro, which leave=
s
>us
>> >with two other options (as far as I can tell):
>> >
>> >1)  Get tough and start rejecting software requests.
>> >
>> >2)  Keep accepting all/most reasonable requests and plan on creatin=
g
>> >multiple editions (ISO's) sometime in the future.
>> >
>> >I'm actually leaning toward #2.  If we go with #1 and don't accept
>> >another software request ever again, we'll still run out of room
>someday
>> >because existing packages will continue growing in size.
>>
>> I agree with 2, too. ;-)
>
>Yeah.  I'd only agree with #1 if I get what *I* want included!  ;-)

Same here. ;-)

>Speaking of adding crap, how about "gpm"?
>Sometimes it'd be nice to be able to copy/paste stuff with a mouse.
>And it'd be easier for users to send exact error messages to us!  :-)

Why not....

>> We were talking about this earlier, it should be fairly easy to add
>> profiles to our menuconfig.
>
>Deciding what to put in the profiles will be the difficult thing.
>Everyone will want a different combination, like the recent poster
>who's running Samba on his firewall because money is tight ...
>(not picking on him, I just see Samba being in a different profile
>that the firewall stuff)

I would say we do it base on our best judgment.
If a user really doesn't like how we selected it: get the build system =
and
create your own version.

cya
  Heiko
=

Re: [Devil-linux-develop] Software Additions

[Diego T. <dt...@co...>]

On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 11:16:32AM -0400, Heiko Zuerker wrote:
> >(not picking on him, I just see Samba being in a different profile
> >that the firewall stuff)
> 
> I would say we do it base on our best judgment.
> If a user really doesn't like how we selected it: get the build system and
> create your own version.

thats what i do. i build a custom version of dl that fits my needs every month (more or less). I only include what i need on my firewall/network storage servers.

I hope that this month i'll have enough time to build my first usb based release :)

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Re: [Devil-linux-develop] Software Additions

[Heiko Z. <he...@zu...>]

Diego Torres wrote:

>On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 11:16:32AM -0400, Heiko Zuerker wrote:
>  
>
>>>(not picking on him, I just see Samba being in a different profile
>>>that the firewall stuff)
>>>      
>>>
>>I would say we do it base on our best judgment.
>>If a user really doesn't like how we selected it: get the build system and
>>create your own version.
>>    
>>
>
>thats what i do. i build a custom version of dl that fits my needs every month (more or less). I only include what i need on my firewall/network storage servers.
>
>I hope that this month i'll have enough time to build my first usb based release :)
>
>  
>
I'm glad to hear that our users actually use this feature. ;-)

cya
 Heiko

Re: [Devil-linux-develop] Software Additions

[Bruce S. <bw...@ar...>]

> >One of these days in the not so distant future, the DL ISO is going to
> >become too large to fit on a single CD.  In my experience it's much
> >easier to reject software requests now, as opposed to removing software
> >later to reduce the size. (at least we won't piss off people as much :)
> >
> >Or maybe we don't worry about it, and when DL doesn't fit on a CD any
> >longer we start building different ISO's?  (firewall edition, mail
> >server edition, web server edition, ... stupid software edition :)
> >
> >Or maybe DL goes DVD-only after it surpasses the 650/700MB limit?
> 
> It's a very good point.

I'm afraid it'll happen soon.  Especially if we keep adding everything
that is requested.  Everybody is going to want something different.

> I'm not sure how we should handle it.
> It's sometimes hard to decide if we really need a specific software.

Let me say first that I'm NOT in favor of a DVD distro, which leaves us
with two other options (as far as I can tell):

1)  Get tough and start rejecting software requests.

2)  Keep accepting all/most reasonable requests and plan on creating
    multiple editions (ISO's) sometime in the future.

I'm actually leaning toward #2.  If we go with #1 and don't accept
another software request ever again, we'll still run out of room someday
because existing packages will continue growing in size.

FWIW ...   :-)

 - BS