From: Heiko Z. <he...@zu...> - 2005-10-04 18:05:06
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On Tue, October 4, 2005 12:45, Jan Ostrochovsky wrote: > Heiko Zuerker wrote: > > >> We can always copy the man pages manually. >> But for now I would rather prefer updating arpwatch to the latest >> version available. >> >> > Latest version of good-old arpwatch available from > http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/ (first google match of "arpwatch") does not > contain features like e-mailing notifications to and from different e-mail > addresses for various network interfaces / subnets. Also NIC manufacturers > database is quite old. > > These (and other) reasons led to the development of new successors of > classic arpwatch above. For example in redhat / debian distributions is > available modified version, which contains additional switches (specified > as comments also in DL's /etc/init.d/arpwatch, # ARPWATCH init.d script > added by Diego Torres <rap...@an...> # from arpwatch of the > RedHat Distribution). Rpm attached, but I did not find > the sources yet. > > Another is Arpwatch NG http://freequaos.host.sk/arpwatch/ (fourth google > match of "arpwatch"), which also implements bugfixes, archaisms and missing > features of good old arpwatch. OK I agree, we either should a) add the patches or b) replace it with arpwatch-ng. The only question is who's doing it? I'm rather busy and we need a volunteer for it. To be honest, if we put it on our feature request list, you'll have to wait forever to get it. >>> Nmap could be also useful part of DL. >>> >>> >>> >> >> So far we refused any request about installing tools which could be >> used to scan other systems. It's of course always open for discussion, if >> you got good reasons for this request. >> >> > OK, I respect your opinions and I am sure, you had reasons for this > decision. > > My arguments: > > > Premise 1: DL is designed for network administrators (like you or me). > Premise 2: Nmap can help network administrators with (not only) these: > a) nmap -sP $subnet/$mask (potentially with combination with arp -a) is > useful for getting the list of on-line hosts of home network $subnet/$mask > b) nmap localhost or nmap -sU localhost (fast self-diagnostic method, for > example may be part of security audit of the system) c) getting info about > unauthorized intruders in the home network > > => nmap can bring more usability for network admins to DL. > > > My deep personal belief is, that to build the RIGHT society, the path > does not lead through revoking people the power, tools or freedom, but > through education them to responsibility for using the power. When > somebody will want to be a cracker, he will found the way and the absence > of nmap in DL will be no obstruction. I think, the way is to give people > the model of behaviour, not to try restrict the possibility to show their > bad manners. Like nuclear energy, nmap itself is not good or bad (in moral > aspect), good or bad are people's reasons only. I see your point. It's like with everything else, the DL Developers can vote to add it. -- Regards Heiko Zuerker http://www.devil-linux.org |
From: Thomas E. <di...@yo...> - 2006-05-23 18:00:35
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Heiko Zuerker wrote: > On Tue, October 4, 2005 12:45, Jan Ostrochovsky wrote: > >>>>Nmap could be also useful part of DL. >>>> >>> >>>So far we refused any request about installing tools which could be >>>used to scan other systems. It's of course always open for discussion, if >>>you got good reasons for this request. >>> >> >>OK, I respect your opinions and I am sure, you had reasons for this >>decision. >> >>My arguments: >> >> >>Premise 1: DL is designed for network administrators (like you or me). >>Premise 2: Nmap can help network administrators with (not only) these: >>a) nmap -sP $subnet/$mask (potentially with combination with arp -a) is >>useful for getting the list of on-line hosts of home network $subnet/$mask >> b) nmap localhost or nmap -sU localhost (fast self-diagnostic method, for >>example may be part of security audit of the system) c) getting info about >>unauthorized intruders in the home network >> >>=> nmap can bring more usability for network admins to DL. >> >> >>My deep personal belief is, that to build the RIGHT society, the path >>does not lead through revoking people the power, tools or freedom, but >>through education them to responsibility for using the power. When >>somebody will want to be a cracker, he will found the way and the absence >>of nmap in DL will be no obstruction. I think, the way is to give people >>the model of behaviour, not to try restrict the possibility to show their >>bad manners. Like nuclear energy, nmap itself is not good or bad (in moral >>aspect), good or bad are people's reasons only. > Premise 2d): tools like http://iptrack.sourceforge.net/ needs it ;-) Premise 3): DL has a server and router "version" > > I see your point. > It's like with everything else, the DL Developers can vote to add it. > where can i vote? i didn't see any on: http://www.devil-linux.org/sitetools/polls.php -- thomas |
From: Bruce S. <bw...@ar...> - 2006-05-23 18:27:34
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> >>>>Nmap could be also useful part of DL. > > > I see your point. > > It's like with everything else, the DL Developers can vote to add it. > > where can i vote? i didn't see any on: > http://www.devil-linux.org/sitetools/polls.php I think he meant on this mailing list (not a _public_ poll). Personally I have no problem with it being included on DL. - BS |
From: Heiko Z. <he...@zu...> - 2006-05-23 19:35:14
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, May 23, 2006 13:27, Bruce Smith wrote: >>>>>> Nmap could be also useful part of DL. >>>>>> >> >>> I see your point. >>> It's like with everything else, the DL Developers can vote to add it. >>> >> >> where can i vote? i didn't see any on: >> http://www.devil-linux.org/sitetools/polls.php >> > > I think he meant on this mailing list (not a _public_ poll). > > > Personally I have no problem with it being included on DL. OK agreed. But I'm not adding it. ;-) - -- Regards Heiko Zuerker http://www.devil-linux.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkRzY9EACgkQUcytMSbs+YVzjgCghfd93CX9kxoGmIkcza1/Ygj6 3lcAn1ld0Fr0avEdda0YZnQaP3hU/GTc =5814 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
From: Bruce S. <bw...@ar...> - 2006-05-23 19:54:25
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> >>>>>> Nmap could be also useful part of DL. > > > > Personally I have no problem with it being included on DL. > > OK agreed. > But I'm not adding it. ;-) Notice that I didn't volunteer to add it either. :-) - BS |
From: Thomas E. <di...@yo...> - 2006-05-23 21:15:40
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Bruce Smith wrote: >>>>>>>>Nmap could be also useful part of DL. >>> >>>Personally I have no problem with it being included on DL. >> >>OK agreed. cool!!! >>But I'm not adding it. ;-) > > > Notice that I didn't volunteer to add it either. :-) > I will do it! *smile* -- thomas |