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From: Steve F. <sf...@tp...> - 2003-03-16 00:37:43
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More frequent releases would be great to keep up with new s/w versions and security patches. Where can v0.6 be downloaded from? Cheers, Steve Flynn sf...@tp... |
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From: Emmanuel E. <ee...@fr...> - 2003-03-16 10:42:35
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Hi all,
I'm quite new on this ML, but not so much as a user (i've got 4 DL boxes
running for more than a year, a 5th will be installed next week) so i
consider 2 things :
* for a security goal distro, it's not good to wait months until
releasing a new version if there are important security holes in
essential pakages such as ssl, ssh, freeswan ... maybe apache could wait
a little more ( i don't want to make a troll, sorry if apache is a bad
exemple for you).
* on the other hand, it's not a good thing to hurry making a new
release (of the devel branch) because there are some important security
holes , having more risks to have a disfunction in something important
(i remember pbs i had with cron, due to use of grsec patches ... on
0.6b1 iso)
In other words, every reliable distro make updates for 2 branches : the
stable and the devel in order to dissociate those 2 aspects. I
understand you're not SuSE ! but what about the credibility of your
distro if you begin to miss one of your goals ? Or maybe your next
target is having best a more general lightweight than robust distro ;-)
(Please, don't be offended by my words, criticize you all is the last
thing i have in mind ... i barely speak english)
I mean i'd preffer having a monthly or so DL 5.x with updated security
only packages, which i could burn, put in the cd drive of my boxes,
reboot and be quiet
and same rythm for new functionnalities as thoses DL Boxes don't need to
every morning.
I think someone really needing something not in the distro should
download the devel environment and spend some time on it and contibute!
I think Heiko (and/or other good developpers) is better to work on grsec
patches , or libs for fwbuilder than on integration of webmin (from my
point of view only ...) as He is competent on such serious job; let
others less experienced (like me) work on less important things .
As Friedrich, i'm questionning about where you want to go.
Best Regards
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From: Heiko Z. <he...@zu...> - 2003-03-16 16:55:37
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Hi, ok here's a proposal: We use the same versioning scheme as the kernel folks: even numbers for stable and uneven for unstable/development versions. The next release will be 0.6.0 and every 1-3 month we will release a new version which just includes bugfixes and updates (0.6.1, 0.6.2, etc.). Parallel we start with 0.7.0 which is our development version. -- Regards Heiko We are Penguin, resistance is futile! http://www.devil-linux.org |
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From: Emmanuel E. <ee...@ma...> - 2003-03-16 18:27:25
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Heiko Zuerker a écrit: > Hi, > > ok here's a proposal: > > We use the same versioning scheme as the kernel folks: > even numbers for stable and uneven for unstable/development versions. > > The next release will be 0.6.0 and every 1-3 month we will release a > new version which just includes bugfixes and updates (0.6.1, 0.6.2, > etc.). > Parallel we start with 0.7.0 which is our development version. > It sounds Goooooood ;-)))) |
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From: Diego T. <dt...@co...> - 2003-03-17 23:39:57
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On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 11:55:24AM -0500, Heiko Zuerker wrote: > > The next release will be 0.6.0 and every 1-3 month we will release a new > version which just includes bugfixes and updates (0.6.1, 0.6.2, etc.). > Parallel we start with 0.7.0 which is our development version. i'm starting with the 0.6 version, do i need lfssystem-cvs-20030127-i486-stripped.tar.bz2 ? (yeah, looks like a silly question, but i don't know if lfsystem-3.1 is valid for the cvs version of dl or not) -- -- Use of a keyboard or mouse may be linked to serious injuries or disorders. Diego Torres - dt...@co... - Madrid / España |
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From: Heiko Z. <he...@zu...> - 2003-03-18 01:35:23
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Diego Torres wrote: > On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 11:55:24AM -0500, Heiko Zuerker wrote: > >>The next release will be 0.6.0 and every 1-3 month we will release a new >>version which just includes bugfixes and updates (0.6.1, 0.6.2, etc.). >>Parallel we start with 0.7.0 which is our development version. > > > i'm starting with the 0.6 version, do i need lfssystem-cvs-20030127-i486-stripped.tar.bz2 ? > > (yeah, looks like a silly question, but i don't know if lfsystem-3.1 is valid for the cvs version of dl or not) You need lfssystem-cvs-20030127-i486-stripped.tar.bz2 for the CVS version. -- Regards Heiko We are Penguin, resistance is futile! http://www.devil-linux.org |
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From: Heiko Z. <hz...@pr...> - 2003-03-17 15:36:01
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On 03/17/2003 03:09:46 AM Friedrich Lobenstock wrote: >Heiko Zuerker wrote: >> Diego Torres wrote: >> The only thing I really would like to see soon, is storing and loadi= ng >> the configuration from a web server. This would ease the use of >internal >> DL servers for non-security related tasks. > >Then we'd just need a dhcp and tftp client in the initrd. The paramete= rs >from where to pull the file comes via the dhcp protocol. That's why I love Friedrich ! cya Heiko = |
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From: John v. V. <joh...@ya...> - 2003-03-17 16:06:32
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--- Heiko Zuerker <hz...@pr...> wrote: > >Then we'd just need a dhcp and tftp client in the initrd. The parameters > >from where to pull the file comes via the dhcp protocol. > > That's why I love Friedrich ! This is where I have been going with uClibc and Initrd. I honestly think we are approaching the day where we can run the entire basic DL OS from Intird, but I think Initrd will have to become InitVFS, because with RAM disk you have to specify size in the kernel and once set.. you dont get anymore. I personally see a vast number of threads starting here !! Even/odd versioning, Compile farms, Mosix, Remote config... I also see a few over looked quandrys, for instace, how can you use the DHCP in Initrd unless the ethernet is loaded first. That will require auto-configuration which is bulky unless you write your own. Somehow I feel that the best course for DL is to get it completely modular so that users can concentrate on individual tasks and requirements and easily switch them in and out. Also, all the component parts of DL, such as the compile farm build should be available as modules. I am getting my portal software today, supposedly, but I definately want to get my DL/eLSD build kit for the new uClibc compile file system image. I hope that helps with the low level stuff. My $0.02, John Oh, isnt tftp notoriously hated for security reasons ?? ===== CXN, Inc. Contact: jo...@th... President, The Linux Society http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-society linux society distro -> http://www.thinman.com/eLSD/readme ThinMan is a registered trademark of CXN, Inc __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com |
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From: Heiko Z. <hz...@pr...> - 2003-03-17 17:56:44
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On 03/17/2003 11:06:30 AM "John van V." wrote: >--- Heiko Zuerker <hz...@pr...> wrote: > >> >Then we'd just need a dhcp and tftp client in the initrd. The >parameters >> >from where to pull the file comes via the dhcp protocol. >> >> That's why I love Friedrich ! > >This is where I have been going with uClibc and Initrd. I honestly >think we >are approaching the day where we can run the entire basic DL OS from >Intird, >but I think Initrd will have to become InitVFS, because with RAM disk >you have >to specify size in the kernel and once set.. you dont get anymore. We don't really need more, or do we? >I personally see a vast number of threads starting here !! Even/odd >versioning, Compile farms, Mosix, Remote config... Yeah. We just need the man power to do it all (the right way). >I also see a few over looked quandrys, for instace, how can you use th= e >DHCP in >Initrd unless the ethernet is loaded first. That will require >auto-configuration which is bulky unless you write your own. Hmm you're right. I think it should be something like "modprobe -t net *" to keep it easy= . >Somehow I feel that the best course for DL is to get it completely >modular so >that users can concentrate on individual tasks and requirements and >easily >switch them in and out. > >Also, all the component parts of DL, such as the compile farm build >should be >available as modules. The compile farm stuff is far from being included into DL, I'm just pla= ying around with my SuSE and Debian installations. I just managed to get 2x PII-500 MHz without HDDs, depending on the res= ult tonight, I'll probably include the Cluster stuff earlier then planned. And of course, there is for everyhing an option in "make menuconfig", s= o you'll always can turn it off. >I am getting my portal software today, supposedly, but I definately >want to get >my DL/eLSD build kit for the new uClibc compile file system image. I >hope that >helps with the low level stuff. You also should give the build system another try, it seems to work for= anybody else. >Oh, isnt tftp notoriously hated for security reasons ?? Yepp. But the idea is not to use it in security related areas. Oh by the way, wget + https would solve that problem, correct? cya Heiko = |
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From: Heiko Z. <he...@zu...> - 2003-03-16 00:55:27
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Steve Flynn wrote: > More frequent releases would be great to keep up with new s/w versions and > security patches. That's one of the reason why I thought we should do it. > Where can v0.6 be downloaded from? It's not yet released. You find testing versions here: ftp://ftp.devil-linux.org/pub/devel/testing/ -- Regards Heiko We are Penguin, resistance is futile! http://www.devil-linux.org |
