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From: James G. <Jam...@Cl...> - 2001-01-02 13:57:00
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For instance? Regards, James. -----Original Message----- From: Ioannis Vranos [mailto:no...@ya...] Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 12:17 PM To: Dev-C++ Subject: [Dev-C++] C99 Talking about C, has anybody in here realized what crap has been introduced in C, in C99 standard? The language has been totally ruined. Now i completely understand why K&R will not write a new book. Ioannis * Ioannis Vranos * Programming pages: http://members.nbci.com/noicys <http://members.nbci.com/noicys> * Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys <http://run.to/noicys> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This electronic message and any attachment is intended to be read by the named addressee(s) only. Any other recipient should be aware that its contents may be legally privileged and/or confidential and that its use, disclosure, copying or distribution may be unlawful. Unless you are a named addressee, please delete this message Whilst C. & J. Clark International Limited has taken steps to prevent the transmission of computer viruses with electronic mail, responsibility for screening incoming messages and the risk of such transmission and its consequences lies with the recipient. C. & J. Clark International Limited Registered in England and Wales Company No. 141015 Registered Office: 40 High Street, Street, Somerset BA16 0YA Telephone: +44 (0) 1458 443131 Fax: +44 (0) 1458 447547 |
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From: Daniel G. <sp...@ho...> - 2003-03-20 14:29:15
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I'm not educated in these standards really. With regards to C++ our company have our own. >From: David McKen <ci...@ya...> >Reply-To: ci...@ya... >To: Dev-C Mailing List <dev...@li...> >Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] C99 >Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 05:07:14 -0800 (PST) > >How would I check? > >(The standard you mean? Not exactly sure. How different is >it from standard C?) > > >--- Ioannis Vranos <iv...@em...> wrote: > > Has anyone learned C99? I want just to check C99 > > penetration on the public > > (I suspect its towards 0). > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Ioannis Vranos > > > > * Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com > > * Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Does your code think > > in ink? > > You could win a Tablet PC. Get a free Tablet PC hat just > > for playing. > > What are you waiting for? > > http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en > > _______________________________________________ > > Dev-cpp-users mailing list > > Dev...@li... > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.noicys.cjb.net/devcpp/ub.htm > > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > > >===== >Signed >David Mcken > >Life Sucks >Live with it > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! >http://platinum.yahoo.com > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.net email is sponsored by: Tablet PC. >Does your code think in ink? You could win a Tablet PC. >Get a free Tablet PC hat just for playing. What are you waiting for? >http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en >_______________________________________________ >Dev-cpp-users mailing list >Dev...@li... >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.noicys.cjb.net/devcpp/ub.htm >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://messenger.msn.co.uk |
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From: Per W. <pw...@ia...> - 2003-03-20 17:08:27
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Your company have their own C++ standard??? /Per W On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Daniel Glenfield wrote: > I'm not educated in these standards really. With regards to C++ our company > have our own. > > > > > > > >From: David McKen <ci...@ya...> > >Reply-To: ci...@ya... > >To: Dev-C Mailing List <dev...@li...> > >Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] C99 > >Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 05:07:14 -0800 (PST) > > > >How would I check? > > > >(The standard you mean? Not exactly sure. How different is > >it from standard C?) > > > > > >--- Ioannis Vranos <iv...@em...> wrote: > > > Has anyone learned C99? I want just to check C99 > > > penetration on the public > > > (I suspect its towards 0). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Ioannis Vranos > > > > > > * Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com > > > * Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Does your code think > > > in ink? > > > You could win a Tablet PC. Get a free Tablet PC hat just > > > for playing. > > > What are you waiting for? > > > http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Dev-cpp-users mailing list > > > Dev...@li... > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.noicys.cjb.net/devcpp/ub.htm > > > > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > > > > > >===== > >Signed > >David Mcken > > > >Life Sucks > >Live with it > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > >http://platinum.yahoo.com > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- > >This SF.net email is sponsored by: Tablet PC. > >Does your code think in ink? You could win a Tablet PC. > >Get a free Tablet PC hat just for playing. What are you waiting for? > >http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en > >_______________________________________________ > >Dev-cpp-users mailing list > >Dev...@li... > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.noicys.cjb.net/devcpp/ub.htm > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends > http://messenger.msn.co.uk > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Tablet PC. > Does your code think in ink? You could win a Tablet PC. > Get a free Tablet PC hat just for playing. What are you waiting for? > http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en > _______________________________________________ > Dev-cpp-users mailing list > Dev...@li... > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.noicys.cjb.net/devcpp/ub.htm > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > |
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From: Daniel G. <sp...@ho...> - 2003-03-20 16:59:13
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Well coding standards, you know guidelines on variable names, how you should write code (to be portable etc.) nothing like creating a standard that other companies follow or anything (though one was rumoured to have copied ours a bit). It's not a big thing really lol. >From: Per Westermark <pw...@ia...> >To: Daniel Glenfield <sp...@ho...> >CC: dev...@li... >Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] C99 >Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:27:58 +0100 (CET) > >Your company have their own C++ standard??? > >/Per W > >On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Daniel Glenfield wrote: > > > I'm not educated in these standards really. With regards to C++ our >company > > have our own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: David McKen <ci...@ya...> > > >Reply-To: ci...@ya... > > >To: Dev-C Mailing List <dev...@li...> > > >Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] C99 > > >Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 05:07:14 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >How would I check? > > > > > >(The standard you mean? Not exactly sure. How different is > > >it from standard C?) > > > > > > > > >--- Ioannis Vranos <iv...@em...> wrote: > > > > Has anyone learned C99? I want just to check C99 > > > > penetration on the public > > > > (I suspect its towards 0). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Ioannis Vranos > > > > > > > > * Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com > > > > * Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Does your code think > > > > in ink? > > > > You could win a Tablet PC. Get a free Tablet PC hat just > > > > for playing. > > > > What are you waiting for? > > > > http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Dev-cpp-users mailing list > > > > Dev...@li... > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.noicys.cjb.net/devcpp/ub.htm > > > > > > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > > > > > > > > >===== > > >Signed > > >David Mcken > > > > > >Life Sucks > > >Live with it > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > >Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > > >http://platinum.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- > > >This SF.net email is sponsored by: Tablet PC. > > >Does your code think in ink? You could win a Tablet PC. > > >Get a free Tablet PC hat just for playing. What are you waiting for? > > >http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Dev-cpp-users mailing list > > >Dev...@li... > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.noicys.cjb.net/devcpp/ub.htm > > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends > > http://messenger.msn.co.uk > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Tablet PC. > > Does your code think in ink? You could win a Tablet PC. > > Get a free Tablet PC hat just for playing. What are you waiting for? > > http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en > > _______________________________________________ > > Dev-cpp-users mailing list > > Dev...@li... > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.noicys.cjb.net/devcpp/ub.htm > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > > _________________________________________________________________ Overloaded with spam? With MSN 8, you can filter it out http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=32&DI=1059 |
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From: Ioannis V. <iv...@em...> - 2003-03-20 17:26:09
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> -----Original Message----- > From: dev...@li...=20 > [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf=20 > Of Daniel Glenfield > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 6:59 PM > To: pw...@ia... > Cc: dev...@li... > Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] C99 >=20 >=20 > Well coding standards, you know guidelines on variable names,=20 > how you should=20 > write code (to be portable etc.) nothing like creating a=20 > standard that other=20 > companies follow or anything (though one was rumoured to have=20 > copied ours a=20 > bit). It's not a big thing really lol. When we are talking about language standards we are refering to international standards. :)=20 It's in my future plans to post a free "upgrade quick guide from C90 to = C99" online sometime in the future. However keep in mind that Dev-C++ already supports C99 (with the -std=3Dc99 compiler switch). Ioannis Vranos =20 * Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com * Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys |
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From: Ioannis V. <no...@ya...> - 2001-01-02 18:47:27
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Except of the long long type which corrupts compatibility with C89 & C++,
and the _Bool type defined only in boolean.h (not built in type) which may
or may not be stupid, there are a lot of fortran-style!!! stupid additions
which corrupt compatibility with common sense and according to my opinion
destroyed forever the language.
Examples:
1) snprintf()
2) new formats for printf(). E.g. %ll for long long. We are used to %$d
stuff for signed integers, where $ the integer type, so %ll is something you
have to remember isolated.
And now fasten your seabelt, "the great things" adopted by fortran:
3) int *p=(int []) {2, 4}
It is something like a pointer pointing to an array where the first 2
elements are 2, 4. Or something like that, i do not know and i do not want
to know..
4) int (*q)[2]=(int[][2]) {{1,2}, {3,4}, {5,6}, {7, 8}};
It is something an array of 2 pointers to functions accepting an int
2-dimensional array with default values?
5) drawline((struct point) {1, 2}, (struct point) {3, 4});
It is a function accepting two *anonymous*(!) probably variable structs with
default values?
6) drawline((struct point) {.y=2, .x=1}, (struct point) {.x=3, .y=});
This creates 2 anonymous structs with those values. The structs and the
values are created in there!!
7) int a[]={[2]=3, [1]=2, [0]=1};
Translation: We create an array with the third element=3, the second=2, and
the first=1. The same we used till nowadays as int a[]={1, 2, 3};
8) enum{ first, second};
const char *nm[]={[second]="second", [first]="first",};
Translation: The second element of the array gets the value "second" and the
first the value "first".
I wonder why the last comma (,) is used but perhaps it is a variable array
or something.
9) int a[MAX]={1, 3, 5, [MAX-3]= 4, 2, 0};
The "fortan-miracles" of the new standard: We give to the first 3 elements
of the array the values 1, 3, 5 and the 3 elements at the end the values 4,
2, and 0.
10) struct {int a[2], b}; x[]={[0].a = {1}, [1].a[0] = 2};
I will try to translate this: We create an anonymous struct and then an
array of it named x, with the first element taking the values: [0].a[0]=1 &
[0].a[1]=1 both using the notation [0].a=1 , and the second elemet of the
structure array x taking the value 1 at its first only array element:
[1].a[0]=2
11)
size_t fsize3(int n)
{
char b[n+3]; // Variable Length (Fortran-style) Array
return sizeof b;
}
int main()
{
size_t size=fsize3(10); // 13
return 0;
}
12)
void rowSum(int, int, int[*][*], int[*]);
// ^^^^^^^^^ means variable length
...
int a[5][6], b[5];
rowSum(5, 6, a, b,);
...
void rowSum(int n, int m, int in[n][m], int out[n])
// ^^^^^^^^^ here we give names to the lengths
{
for(int i=0; i<n; i++)
{
int sum=0;
for(j=0; j<m; j++)
sum+=in[i][j];
out[i]=sum;
}
}
13) Old Fortran trick:
struct s { int n; double d[]; };
struct s *s1=malloc(sizeof(struct s)+64);
s1->d[0]=...
Translation: We allocated space for the struct and 64 bytes for the double
type array.
14) Exact width integers: int_least_8t (also 16, 32, 64)
uint_least_8t (also 16, 32, 64)
Fast minimum width integers: int_fast_8t (also 16, 32, 64)
uint_fast_8t (also 16, 32, 64)
Greatest width integers (the largest integer): intmax_t, uintmax_t.
15) restricted pointers. They assure that no other pointer points to the
same data.
There are many other changes too. I got all these from
http://www.freshsources.com/dev/Forums/C99/
Go and take a look there, it has a summary of the changes.
I would like to see what the others (you) believe about these improvements.
Ioannis
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dev...@li...
> [mailto:dev...@li...]On Behalf Of James
> Gordon
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 3:54 PM
> To: 'dev...@li...'
> Subject: RE: [Dev-C++] C99
>
>
> For instance?
>
> Regards,
>
> James.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ioannis Vranos [mailto:no...@ya...]
> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 12:17 PM
> To: Dev-C++
> Subject: [Dev-C++] C99
>
>
> Talking about C, has anybody in here realized what crap has been
> introduced
> in C, in C99 standard? The language has been totally ruined. Now i
> completely understand why K&R will not write a new book.
>
>
> Ioannis
>
> * Ioannis Vranos
> * Programming pages: http://members.nbci.com/noicys
> <http://members.nbci.com/noicys>
> * Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys <http://run.to/noicys>
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