Thread: RE: [Dev-C++] A question of professionalism
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From: Igor P. <igo...@po...> - 2001-05-22 12:51:18
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Hi, It is very important to make distinction between Dev C++ which is only a GUI, GCC which is the actual compiler and MinGW and Cygwin which are essentialy sets of libraries, headers and utilities that make GCC usable under Windows. So when you are using Dev C++ for your programs then you are using GCC compiler - this is important in your case because GCC is a profesional grade compiler and is an industry standard. All the Linux distributions (including commercial distributions) and commercial software for Linux (for example Oracle) is compiled with it. All the companies that create commercial software for linux rely on it. More about GCC you can find at http://gcc.gnu.org/ Other usefull links: http://www.bloodshed.net/ http://www.mingw.org/ http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/ http://www.linux.org/ Hope this helps and Good Luck ! Igor -----Original Message----- From: Sam [mailto:sch...@ho...] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 3:49 AM To: dev...@li... Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] A question of professionalism Again, The input regarding using various compilers and development tools is noted and will be used in the future. However, myself and other students in the class are faced with a situation where we have to defend ourselves after the fact (semester over). There are a myriad of different reasons this guy has given 90% of the class an F (the other 10% got a D), and I simply want to document all possibilities before going in front of a review board. Please, anyone with links or other resources regarding the GCC, MinGW and Cygwin compilers used by DEV C++, please let me know. I will be doing my own websearches, but just thought maybe you all might know of some resources. Thanks so much for all your input. S. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Powell <pau...@sy...> To: <dev...@li...> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] A question of professionalism > I ran into the same situation and got around it by exactly the way just expressed. > I compiled the programs at college using the standard MS compiler, which was > entirely satisfactory to my instructor. The only problem I had was in the Lab test > where the configuration was so different from Dev C++. My 2 cents, for what it's > worth. :-) > > Jared Eckersley wrote: > > > Before you go on a crusade, you should realize that you can choose your > > battles. Is this a battle really worth getting into. I had this problem, > > and have found that it was much easier to develop at home using what ever I > > had access to, then make sure the program compiled on a standard compiler, > > Professor lingo for MS VC++. In my experience, you should not buck heads > > with people who directly control your future. Learn to work around them. > > Develop your projects with whatever tools you have, but make sure they > > compile on the compiler your professor is advocating. That's my $.02. > > > > - Jared > > > > At 07:30 AM 5/21/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > >Hello All, > > > > > >I have been using Bloodshed's Dev C++ 4.0 for two semesters at my school, and > > >currently I am having some difficulty with a professor. The professor > > >states that Dev C++ is not a professional compiler nor is it a standard C > > >compiler and therefore refuses to accept my projects. I wish to obtain > > >documentation to refute his claim. If you could point me > > >to any documentation I'd appreciate it. Thanks so much. > > > > > >Sam S. > > > > "The secret of flying is to throw yourself > > at the ground, and miss." -- Douglas Adams > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dev-cpp-users mailing list > > Dev...@li... > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Dev-cpp-users mailing list > Dev...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > _______________________________________________ Dev-cpp-users mailing list Dev...@li... http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users |
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From: Saundra S. <sch...@ho...> - 2001-05-22 22:13:46
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<html><DIV> <P>The class was an advanced C class.</P></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>>From: "Ioannis Vranos" <NO...@YA...> <DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: dev...@li... <DIV></DIV>>To: <DEV...@LI...> <DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: [Dev-C++] A question of professionalism <DIV></DIV>>Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 23:55:08 +0200 <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>Microsoft Visual C++ 100% compliant with the ANSI C 1989-90 standard. But it <DIV></DIV>>is not compliant with the ANSI C++ 1998 standard. So it is OK to learn ANSI <DIV></DIV>>C 89 there. What are you learning, C or C++? <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>Ioannis <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>* Ioannis Vranos <DIV></DIV>>* Programming pages: http://members.nbci.com/noicys <DIV></DIV>>* Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>-----Original Message----- <DIV></DIV>>From: dev...@li... <DIV></DIV>>[mailto:dev...@li...]On Behalf Of Sam <DIV></DIV>>Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 3:49 AM <DIV></DIV>>To: dev...@li... <DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] A question of professionalism <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>Again, <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>The input regarding using various compilers and development tools is noted <DIV></DIV>>and will be used in the future. However, myself and other students in the <DIV></DIV>>class are faced with a situation where we have to defend ourselves after the <DIV></DIV>>fact (semester over). There are a myriad of different reasons this guy has <DIV></DIV>>given 90% of the class an F (the other 10% got a D), and I simply want to <DIV></DIV>>document all possibilities before going in front of a review board. <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>Please, anyone with links or other resources regarding the GCC, MinGW and <DIV></DIV>>Cygwin compilers used by DEV C++, please let me know. I will be doing my <DIV></DIV>>own websearches, but just thought maybe you all might know of some <DIV></DIV>>resources. Thanks so much for all your input. <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>S. <DIV></DIV>>----- Original Message ----- <DIV></DIV>>From: Paul Powell <PAU...@SY...> <DIV></DIV>>To: <DEV...@LI...> <DIV></DIV>>Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 3:08 PM <DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] A question of professionalism <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> > I ran into the same situation and got around it by exactly the way just <DIV></DIV>>expressed. <DIV></DIV>> > I compiled the programs at college using the standard MS compiler, which <DIV></DIV>>was <DIV></DIV>> > entirely satisfactory to my instructor. The only problem I had was in the <DIV></DIV>>Lab test <DIV></DIV>> > where the configuration was so different from Dev C++. My 2 cents, for <DIV></DIV>>what it's <DIV></DIV>> > worth. :-) <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> > Jared Eckersley wrote: <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> > > Before you go on a crusade, you should realize that you can choose your <DIV></DIV>> > > battles. Is this a battle really worth getting into. I had this problem, <DIV></DIV>> > > and have found that it was much easier to develop at home using what <DIV></DIV>>ever I <DIV></DIV>> > > had access to, then make sure the program compiled on a standard <DIV></DIV>>compiler, <DIV></DIV>> > > Professor lingo for MS VC++. In my experience, you should not buck heads <DIV></DIV>> > > with people who directly control your future. Learn to work around them. <DIV></DIV>> > > Develop your projects with whatever tools you have, but make sure they <DIV></DIV>> > > compile on the compiler your professor is advocating. That's my $.02. <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > - Jared <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > At 07:30 AM 5/21/2001 -0400, you wrote: <DIV></DIV>> > > >Hello All, <DIV></DIV>> > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > >I have been using Bloodshed's Dev C++ 4.0 for two semesters at my <DIV></DIV>>school, and <DIV></DIV>> > > >currently I am having some difficulty with a professor. The professor <DIV></DIV>> > > >states that Dev C++ is not a professional compiler nor is it a standard <DIV></DIV>>C <DIV></DIV>> > > >compiler and therefore refuses to accept my projects. I wish to obtain <DIV></DIV>> > > >documentation to refute his claim. If you could point me <DIV></DIV>> > > >to any documentation I'd appreciate it. Thanks so much. <DIV></DIV>> > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > >Sam S. <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > "The secret of flying is to throw yourself <DIV></DIV>> > > at the ground, and miss." -- Douglas Adams <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > _______________________________________________ <DIV></DIV>> > > Dev-cpp-users mailing list <DIV></DIV>> > > Dev...@li... <DIV></DIV>> > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> > _______________________________________________ <DIV></DIV>> > Dev-cpp-users mailing list <DIV></DIV>> > Dev...@li... <DIV></DIV>> > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>_______________________________________________ <DIV></DIV>>Dev-cpp-users mailing list <DIV></DIV>>Dev...@li... <DIV></DIV>>http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>_______________________________________________ <DIV></DIV>>Dev-cpp-users mailing list <DIV></DIV>>Dev...@li... <DIV></DIV>>http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users <DIV></DIV><br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p></html> |
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From: Ioannis V. <no...@ya...> - 2001-05-22 23:56:10
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Ok then you probably have no problem with VC++. I learned C there myself too. Of course GCC is also professional. GCC is not 100% ANSI C++ compliant too. One other professional C/C++ compiler is Borland C++. It is 100% ANSI C 1989 and 100% ANSI C++ compliant. Also the compiler is free for download from Borland. I like that compiler. In summary: Visual C++: 100% ANSI C1989 compliant, not fully ANSI C++ compliant. GCC: the same (but more ANSI C++ compliant). Borland C++: 100% ANSI C 1989 and 100% ANSI C++ compliant. I hope this helps. Also this is my personal opinion. Ioannis * Ioannis Vranos * Programming pages: http://members.nbci.com/noicys * Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys -----Original Message----- From: dev...@li... [mailto:dev...@li...]On Behalf Of Saundra Schwarz Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:14 AM To: dev...@li... Subject: RE: [Dev-C++] A question of professionalism The class was an advanced C class. >From: "Ioannis Vranos" >Reply-To: dev...@li... >To: >Subject: RE: [Dev-C++] A question of professionalism >Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 23:55:08 +0200 > >Microsoft Visual C++ 100% compliant with the ANSI C 1989-90 standard. But it >is not compliant with the ANSI C++ 1998 standard. So it is OK to learn ANSI >C 89 there. What are you learning, C or C++? > > >Ioannis > >* Ioannis Vranos >* Programming pages: http://members.nbci.com/noicys >* Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys > > >-----Original Message----- >From: dev...@li... >[mailto:dev...@li...]On Behalf Of Sam >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 3:49 AM >To: dev...@li... >Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] A question of professionalism > > >Again, > >The input regarding using various compilers and development tools is noted >and will be used in the future. However, myself and other students in the >class are faced with a situation where we have to defend ourselves after the >fact (semester over). There are a myriad of different reasons this guy has >given 90% of the class an F (the other 10% got a D), and I simply want to >document all possibilities before going in front of a review board. > >Please, anyone with links or other resources regarding the GCC, MinGW and >Cygwin compilers used by DEV C++, please let me know. I will be doing my >own websearches, but just thought maybe you all might know of some >resources. Thanks so much for all your input. > >S. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Paul Powell >To: >Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 3:08 PM >Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] A question of professionalism > > > > I ran into the same situation and got around it by exactly the way just >expressed. > > I compiled the programs at college using the standard MS compiler, which >was > > entirely satisfactory to my instructor. The only problem I had was in the >Lab test > > where the configuration was so different from Dev C++. My 2 cents, for >what it's > > worth. :-) > > > > Jared Eckersley wrote: > > > > > Before you go on a crusade, you should realize that you can choose your > > > battles. Is this a battle really worth getting into. I had this problem, > > > and have found that it was much easier to develop at home using what >ever I > > > had access to, then make sure the program compiled on a standard >compiler, > > > Professor lingo for MS VC++. In my experience, you should not buck heads > > > with people who directly control your future. Learn to work around them. > > > Develop your projects with whatever tools you have, but make sure they > > > compile on the compiler your professor is advocating. That's my $.02. > > > > > > - Jared > > > > > > At 07:30 AM 5/21/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > >Hello All, > > > > > > > >I have been using Bloodshed's Dev C++ 4.0 for two semesters at my >school, and > > > >currently I am having some difficulty with a professor. The professor > > > >states that Dev C++ is not a professional compiler nor is it a standard >C > > > >compiler and therefore refuses to accept my projects. I wish to obtain > > > >documentation to refute his claim. If you could point me > > > >to any documentation I'd appreciate it. Thanks so much. > > > > > > > >Sam S. > > > > > > "The secret of flying is to throw yourself > > > at the ground, and miss." -- Douglas Adams > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Dev-cpp-users mailing list > > > Dev...@li... > > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dev-cpp-users mailing list > > Dev...@li... > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > > > >_______________________________________________ >Dev-cpp-users mailing list >Dev...@li... >http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > > >_______________________________________________ >Dev-cpp-users mailing list >Dev...@li... >http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _______________________________________________ Dev-cpp-users mailing list Dev...@li... http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users |
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From: Sam <sch...@ho...> - 2001-05-23 03:16:02
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Thank you all for your input on this. I appreciate all the advice and resources. Sam |
