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From: Matthew H. <mhi...@ko...> - 2000-10-18 21:57:43
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Hello,
Yes you are right, I checked my book again, \a and \b are very =
close together, it was my mistake. I am using the book Object-Oriented =
Programming in C++ Second Edition, it's quite old (Copyright 1995) I got =
it for $9 at a used bookstore : )
I love those kind! 8-)
I pick up just about everything I find. I figure, some are good, some =
are definitely not; however, they all look at things from different =
perspectives, and sometimes something that's greek in one book is clear =
as day in another. (Even if some of those books start to look a little =
long in the tooth!)
Recently (on another list) a war started over the value of books (ie. =
the 21 Days compared to college / university texts). I agree that some =
of the 21 Day/Dummies/Idiot's guides are surface material, I find them =
helpful when I want to check out a topic. I then start to delve a =
little deeper, and then I look for resources online (about language =
style, the ins and outs of a language, etc.).
Speaking of which, does anybody have any good links to C++ related =
material? Particularly good object-oriented source... I've poked =
around, but most of what I find seems to relate to DOS level C =
graphics/demo programming. =20
My background is rather VB, and sources that I've found nice are things =
like www.planetsourcecode.com
(They've got some stuff for other languages, but nothing "meaty" ... for =
an example, check out the Delphi section!)
Matthew Hickson
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From: Ian C. S. <ic...@st...> - 2000-10-18 23:24:04
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On 18 Oct 00, at 17:58, Matthew Hickson wrote: > Hello, Yello 'gain. > Yes you are right, I checked my book again, \a and \b are very close together, it was my mistake. I am using the book Object-Oriented Programming in C++ Second Edition, it's quite old (Copyright 1995) I got it for $9 at a used bookstore : ) > I love those kind! 8-) As does everyone else :) > I pick up just about everything I find. I figure, some are good, some are definitely not; however, they all look at things from different perspectives, and sometimes something that's greek in one book is clear as day in another. (Even if some of those books start to look a little long in the tooth!) I agree - I have a tonne of books for operating systems and language combinations that I'll never use in my lifetime. However, the concepts and techniques used in them are always helpful (usually, in most hard-core language books, there will be always functions for basic encryption, etc). > Recently (on another list) a war started over the value of books (ie. the 21 Days compared to college / university texts). I agree that some of the 21 Day/Dummies/Idiot's guides are surface material, I find them helpful when I want to check out a topic. I then start to delve a little deeper, and then I look for resources online (about language style, the ins and outs of a language, etc.). That is what I do. From various people (relatives, fellow students) I have a number of those 21 days books. Personally, sliding into C/C++ was a breeze using an e-copy of C++ in 21 days. (I had a mainly Java, BASIC and Pascal background.) I believe that one should get one of those books if one is a relative newbie to that area. Going directly to online resources is okay for some, but you end up getting swamped with information and documents that you don't need and potentially will never use. > Speaking of which, does anybody have any good links to C++ related material? Particularly good object-oriented source... I've poked around, but most of what I find seems to relate to DOS level C graphics/demo programming. Umm... you could try www.objectcentral.com and perhaps www.cprogramming.com www.vitaminc.com ? I can't remember the address of that one. Unfortunately, the university rendered all bookmarks redundant and therefore I can no longer access the hoard of links that I once had. > My background is rather VB, and sources that I've found nice are things like www.planetsourcecode.com I'll be sure to try it. > (They've got some stuff for other languages, but nothing "meaty" ... for an example, check out the Delphi section!) You find that a lot... and I hate sites which have trillions of links, and only a handful which actually work. If someone is going to put effort into a site, they should at least attempt to check all sites within a suitable period (e.g. once a month). Places like www.progsharehouse.com (? - Sorry if the link is dead) are very much like that, unfortunately. Ian |
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From: Ioannis V. <no...@ya...> - 2000-10-19 20:26:17
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-----Original Message-----
From: dev...@li...
[mailto:dev...@li...]On Behalf Of Matthew
Hickson
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 11:59 PM
To: dev...@li...
Subject: Re: Programming Tomes was [Dev-C++] Question of the day
Hello,
Yes you are right, I checked my book again, \a and \b are very close
together, it was my mistake. I am using the book Object-Oriented Programming
in C++ Second Edition, it's quite old (Copyright 1995) I got it for $9 at a
used bookstore : )
I love those kind! 8-)
I pick up just about everything I find. I figure, some are good, some are
definitely not; however, they all look at things from different
perspectives, and sometimes something that's greek in one book is clear as
day in another. (Even if some of those books start to look a little long in
the tooth!)
Now i am a greek, and i do not understand the meaning of that expression,
but i guess it is some american smart-ass-i-know-all expression. :)
Recently (on another list) a war started over the value of books (ie. the 21
Days compared to college / university texts). I agree that some of the 21
Day/Dummies/Idiot's guides are surface material, I find them helpful when I
want to check out a topic. I then start to delve a little deeper, and then
I look for resources online (about language style, the ins and outs of a
language, etc.).
Speaking of which, does anybody have any good links to C++ related material?
Particularly good object-oriented source... I've poked around, but most of
what I find seems to relate to DOS level C graphics/demo programming.
Except of links i suggest Bjarne Stroustrup's "The C++ Programming
Language" - Special Edition, that's what i am reading currently. This,
assuming you have already read some good introductory book in C++ (e.g.
"Teach Yourself C++ in 21 Days" by Jesse Liberty, Sams Publishing).
My background is rather VB, and sources that I've found nice are things like
www.planetsourcecode.com
(They've got some stuff for other languages, but nothing "meaty" ... for an
example, check out the Delphi section!)
I have some links at: http://members.nbci.com/noicys/links.htm
Ioannis
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From: <Don...@in...> - 2000-10-19 21:14:35
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#$&@! firewalls!
---------------------- Forwarded by Donald Thumim/SLD/ING-FSI-NA on
10/19/2000 03:13 PM ---------------------------
Donald Thumim
10/19/2000 03:05 PM
To: dev...@li...
cc:
Subject: RE: Programming Tomes was [Dev-C++] Question of the day
(Document link: Database 'Donald Thumim', View 'DevCPP')
Actually, the expression "It's Greek to me" refers to the fact that the
Greek alphabet is unreadable to the poor souls who were brought up with the
Latin alphabet. Basically, it means that the subject matter is so
technical, abstruse or esoteric that the reader cannot understand it, and
so it might just as well be written in Greek for all the good it does him
or her. Yes, it probably is an American expression, but no, I don't think
any ethnic slur is intended by it.
Don
"Ioannis Vranos" <no...@ya...>@lists.sourceforge.net on 10/19/2000
03:26:54 PM
Please respond to dev...@li...
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cc:
Subject: RE: Programming Tomes was [Dev-C++] Question of the day
-----Original Message-----
From: dev...@li... [
mailto:dev...@li...]On Behalf Of Matthew
Hickson
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 11:59 PM
To: dev...@li...
Subject: Re: Programming Tomes was [Dev-C++] Question of the day
Hello,
Yes you are right, I checked my book again, \a and \b are very close
together, it was my mistake. I am using the book Object-Oriented
Programming in C++ Second Edition, it's quite old (Copyright 1995) I got
it for $9 at a used bookstore : )
I love those kind! 8-)
I pick up just about everything I find. I figure, some are good, some are
definitely not; however, they all look at things from different
perspectives, and sometimes something that's greek in one book is clear as
day in another. (Even if some of those books start to look a little long
in the tooth!)
Now i am a greek, and i do not understand the meaning of that expression,
but i guess it is some american smart-ass-i-know-all expression. :)
Recently (on another list) a war started over the value of books (ie. the
21 Days compared to college / university texts). I agree that some of the
21 Day/Dummies/Idiot's guides are surface material, I find them helpful
when I want to check out a topic. I then start to delve a little deeper,
and then I look for resources online (about language style, the ins and
outs of a language, etc.).
Speaking of which, does anybody have any good links to C++ related
material? Particularly good object-oriented source... I've poked around,
but most of what I find seems to relate to DOS level C graphics/demo
programming.
Except of links i suggest Bjarne Stroustrup's "The C++ Programming
Language" - Special Edition, that's what i am reading currently. This,
assuming you have already read some good introductory book in C++ (e.g.
"Teach Yourself C++ in 21 Days" by Jesse Liberty, Sams Publishing).
My background is rather VB, and sources that I've found nice are things
like www.planetsourcecode.com
(They've got some stuff for other languages, but nothing "meaty" ... for
an example, check out the Delphi section!)
I have some links at: http://members.nbci.com/noicys/links.htm
Ioannis
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From: Ioannis V. <no...@ya...> - 2000-10-19 21:45:01
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> -----Original Message----- > From: dev...@li... > [mailto:dev...@li...]On Behalf Of > Don...@in... > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 11:06 PM > To: dev...@li... > Subject: RE: Programming Tomes was [Dev-C++] Question of the day > > Actually, the expression "It's Greek to me" refers to the fact that the > Greek alphabet is unreadable to the poor souls who were brought > up with the > Latin alphabet. Basically, it means that the subject matter is so > technical, abstruse or esoteric that the reader cannot understand it, and > so it might just as well be written in Greek for all the good it does him > or her. Yes, it probably is an American expression, but no, I don't think > any ethnic slur is intended by it. I did not receive it as an insult anyway. Also i consider chinese, and the like more difficult to read. Chinese have 380 letters or something. :) Ioannis _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com |
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From: Larry H. <lm_...@ya...> - 2000-10-20 02:18:02
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At 12:45 AM 10/20/2000 +0200, you wrote: >I did not receive it as an insult anyway. Also i consider chinese, and the >like more difficult to read. >Chinese have 380 letters or something. :) > > >Ioannis FWIW Spanish speakers have an idiom "es chino", it's Chinese, rather than the English speaker's choice of "It's Greek". Larry Hamilton |
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From: Matthew H. <mhi...@ko...> - 2000-10-21 20:36:31
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Hello all, > >I did not receive it as an insult anyway. Also i consider chinese, and the > >like more difficult to read. > >Chinese have 380 letters or something. :) More, if I remember correctly (thousands, only about 3000 common characters though). > FWIW Spanish speakers have an idiom "es chino", it's Chinese, rather than > the English speaker's choice of "It's Greek". It wasn't my intention, by any stretch of the imagination, to be ethno-centric (neutrally or negatively). My apologies, whether I have given offense or not. Traditionally, I've heard the "It's Greek to me..."; however, these days, just about any non-English language is used (though some less often than others). From this point onward, I shall put a little more thought into what I'm thinking and typing! Here I was thinking that "long in the tooth" had been misunderstood. Funny how the international nature of the Internet points out glaring oddities in one's behaviour/thoughts. (For what it matters... I try to avoid smart-ass American comments... I use smart-ass Canadian comments 8-). Anyhow, on a different note. Many thanks for the wealth of resource material that everybody took the time to point out. It'll no doubt take some time to digest (so I'd best get to it! 8-). Matthew Hickson P.S. A further note. I'm current with Dev-C++ 4.0 (I like the extended Tools menu... You CAN run your favourite MIDI file from it! 8-) Is there a "plug-in" style API for Tools? (I admit, I'm remiss in downloading the source for the IDE, and my Delphi is... nearly non-existent, so it might not be my choice for developing something like that.) |
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