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From: Daniel G. <sp...@ho...> - 2002-02-07 16:05:44
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<html><div style='background-color:'><DIV> <P>I believe .NET is new from microsoft, it's to do with C# and Java. I would appreciate any information as well!!! I don't think .NEt has "taken off" yet so we shall have to wait and see.</P> <P> </P> <P>Oh and the phrase is </P> <P>Thanks in advance<BR></P> <P>not Thanks in progress. Thought you might like to know, I know how tough languages can be.</P> <P>Daniel<BR></P></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>>From: "Jürgen Schuhmacher" <JSC...@GM...> <DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: jsc...@gm... <DIV></DIV>>To: "Christopher D. Reimer" <CR...@RA...> <DIV></DIV>>CC: dev...@so... <DIV></DIV>>Subject: [Dev-C++] infos on NET <DIV></DIV>>Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 15:51:52 +0100 <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>Hi sorry for writing privately : <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>but do you know about Visual Studio NET ? <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>I am about to purchase Visual Studio 6.0 - ist this "NET" an adding <DIV></DIV>>or a replacement ? - any Idea ? <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>thanks in progress, Jürgen <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>_______________________________________________ <DIV></DIV>>Dev-cpp-users mailing list <DIV></DIV>>Dev...@li... <DIV></DIV>>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users <DIV></DIV></div><br clear=all><hr>Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: <a href='http://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag2_etl_EN.asp'>Click Here</a><br></html> |
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From: Benjamin W. <ben...@ho...> - 2002-02-08 13:44:36
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I would agree. From what I have read/heard, .NET is Microsoft's newest development platform. If you are looking to purchase Visual Studio 6.0, then I would say go for it. You get many great tools and I have been using Visual C++ 6.0 for several years now and really do enjoy it. The .NET package includes the latest Visual C++ ".NET" environment and incorporates the new C# (which is Microsoft's way of getting back into the JAVA market since they had their hands slapped on their Visual J++ project). Sorry I cannot provide more information on it, but it has been more of a mystery and something I have stayed away from thus far. I like my "old" tools too much. Ben >From: "Daniel Glenfield" <sp...@ho...> >To: jsc...@gm..., dev...@li... >Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] infos on NET >Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 16:05:27 +0000 > _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com |
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From: Ioannis V. <no...@ya...> - 2002-02-08 18:50:04
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Visual Studio 7 .NET is a radical change in comparison to 6. If one is to purchase VS i strongly recommend to buy 7. This applies to its languages too. Instead of VC++ 6 i strongly recommend VC++ 7. Ioannis * Ioannis Vranos * Programming pages: http://www.noicys.d2g.com * Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys > -----Original Message----- > From: dev...@li... > [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf > Of Benjamin Wheeless > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 3:43 PM > To: sp...@ho...; jsc...@gm...; > dev...@li... > Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] infos on NET > > > I would agree. From what I have read/heard, .NET is > Microsoft's newest > development platform. > > If you are looking to purchase Visual Studio 6.0, then I > would say go for > it. You get many great tools and I have been using Visual > C++ 6.0 for > several years now and really do enjoy it. > > The .NET package includes the latest Visual C++ ".NET" > environment and > incorporates the new C# (which is Microsoft's way of getting > back into the > JAVA market since they had their hands slapped on their > Visual J++ project). > > Sorry I cannot provide more information on it, but it has > been more of a > mystery and something I have stayed away from thus far. I > like my "old" > tools too much. > > Ben > > >From: "Daniel Glenfield" <sp...@ho...> > >To: jsc...@gm..., dev...@li... > >Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] infos on NET > >Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 16:05:27 +0000 > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > |
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From: Ioannis V. <no...@ya...> - 2002-02-09 06:49:25
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I have not depthen extremely on the subject, but CLR is more efficient than JVM, at least the time it was designed (JVM may have adopted CLR features since then). For example a program when run the first time on CLR gets many of its parts compiled permanently to win32 code so at the end the .exe is something like an hybrid between binary code and bytecode. Also it is not restricted to one language but all languages share a common hierarchy and can interoperate with each other. So you pick e.g. C and another person Javascript and you can build a program using both languages. The good in C/C++ case is that by default VC++ 7 does not produce bytecode but pure 32-bit exe (it is the only language that can produce binary code in VS). When you produce pure binary code it is called unmanaged code and when you produce bytecode your source code is called managed. The other great thing with C/C++ in .NET world is that you can create pure binary code (that is it runs outside the virtual machine) so as to have the maximum efficiency and create a .NET interface for the other languages to interoperate with your code. The bad news is that VC++ 7 will not be so ANSI/ISO C++ compliant (probably they do not care/want standard compliance a lot) but will be more than VC++ 6. I had heared rumors during VS 7 development that VC++ 7 will not support iterators thus entering useless almost all the STL and template mechanism. But things may have changed since then (but i do not think so). They had stated that "100% ANSI/ISO conformance is not a goal". Anyway the important thing here is .NET and language interoperation, what IDE one should use VC++, C++ Builder, e.t.c. is personal choice. VC++ 7 is now in reality visual since it provides ala VB IDE (ready buttons e.t.c.) but it lacks a lot even from C++ Builder 5 which has anything as a component (http connections e.t.c.). That means that you will have to type a lot again to use the system extensions in VC++ 7. This month is also to be released C++ Builder 6 from Borland which i consider extremelly better for Windows C/C++ development. Also there is going to be C++ Builder for Linux. In C++ Builder 6 you can create win applications that compile both in Windows and X-Windows world using CLX library. It is the same as it happens now in Delphi 6 and Kylix (Delphi for Linux) and Collin has started creating the new Dev-C++ for both X-Windows and Windows. in C++ Builder 6 you can create even X-Windows looking applications running in Windows and in C++ Builder for Linux Windows looking applications running in X-Windows. In a few words, you create an application dragging components like buttons e.t.c. on a form and the program compiles both in windows and x-windows and looks the same. You can download a trial version of C++ Builder at: <http://www.borland.com/downloads/> http://www.borland.com/downloads/ If you have any questions, ask. :) Ioannis * Ioannis Vranos * Programming pages: <http://www.noicys.d2g.com/> http://www.noicys.d2g.com * Alternative URL: <http://run.to/noicys> http://run.to/noicys -----Original Message----- From: Yeoh HS [mailto:ye...@ya...] Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 8:36 AM To: Ioannis Vranos Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] infos on NET This sounds familiar. Another virtual machine and auto garbage collector! :-) Sorry if this is off-topic, just a thought: how different is this CLR from JVM? Regards, Yeoh |
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From: Ioannis V. <no...@ya...> - 2002-02-08 04:41:15
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.NET is the idea of a virtual machine (CLR) running above the OS where the applications run on it and all programming languages share common functionality by which they can interoperate together. MFC, WIN32, e.t.c. are replaced by BCL (Base Class Library), that is a common extensions library - a class hierarchy - the same for all languages. I do not like virtual machines but this is another matter. Visual Studio 7 .NET is the upcoming release of VS. Borland is also about to release C++ Builder 6 which i consider far superior than VC++ both in abilities and ANSI/ISO conformance. .NET will support (memory) garbage collection so as you do not need to delete your pointers after you new or malloc() them, which is useless for C++. =20 =20 Ioannis =20 * Ioannis Vranos * Programming pages: <http://www.noicys.d2g.com/> http://www.noicys.d2g.com * Alternative URL: <http://run.to/noicys> http://run.to/noicys -----Original Message----- From: dev...@li... [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf Of Daniel Glenfield Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 6:05 PM To: jsc...@gm...; dev...@li... Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] infos on NET I believe .NET is new from microsoft, it's to do with C# and Java. I would appreciate any information as well!!! I don't think .NEt has "taken off" yet so we shall have to wait and see. =20 Oh and the phrase is=20 Thanks in advance not Thanks in progress. Thought you might like to know, I know how tough languages can be. Daniel >From: "J=FCrgen Schuhmacher"=20 >Reply-To: jsc...@gm...=20 >To: "Christopher D. Reimer"=20 >CC: dev...@so...=20 >Subject: [Dev-C++] infos on NET=20 >Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 15:51:52 +0100=20 >=20 >=20 >Hi sorry for writing privately :=20 >=20 >but do you know about Visual Studio NET ?=20 >=20 >I am about to purchase Visual Studio 6.0 - ist this "NET" an adding=20 >or a replacement ? - any Idea ?=20 >=20 >thanks in progress, J=FCrgen=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >_______________________________________________=20 >Dev-cpp-users mailing list=20 >Dev...@li...=20 >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users=20 _____ =20 Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click <http://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag2_etl_EN.asp> Here _______________________________________________ Dev-cpp-users mailing list Dev...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users=20 |