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[Dev-C++] Where are gcc compiler and binutils sources?

[Danny S. <dan...@cl...>]

I would like the  sources used to produce the gcc  and binaries distributed with
the "full" Dev-C++ package, but can't find a link to them (or even the
obligatory offer to provide them on request) on project pages.

The reason is so that I can compare with the sources distributed by mingw.org.
It may help to answer some of the bug reports that get posted to mingw-users,

Where are these sources?


Danny

Re: [Dev-C++] Where are gcc compiler and binutils sources?

[Scott S. <ssi...@sp...>]

Danny Smith wrote:

>I would like the  sources used to produce the gcc  and binaries distributed with
>the "full" Dev-C++ package, but can't find a link to them (or even the
>obligatory offer to provide them on request) on project pages.
>
>The reason is so that I can compare with the sources distributed by mingw.org.
>It may help to answer some of the bug reports that get posted to mingw-users,
>
>Where are these sources?
>
>
>Danny
>
>
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www.gnu.org will probably have some info.

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Re: [Dev-C++] Where are gcc compiler and binutils sources?

[Danny S. <dan...@cl...>]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Simontis"
Sent: Friday, 22 July 2005 02:18


> Danny Smith wrote:
>
> >I would like the  sources used to produce the gcc  and binaries distributed
with
> >the "full" Dev-C++ package, but can't find a link to them (or even the
> >obligatory offer to provide them on request) on project pages.
> >
> >The reason is so that I can compare with the sources distributed by
mingw.org.
> >It may help to answer some of the bug reports that get posted to mingw-users,
> >
> >Where are these sources?
> >
> >
> >Danny
> >

> www.gnu.org will probably have some info.
>

Indeed  it does:

This is from the GPL agreement

  3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it,
under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of
Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following:

    a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable
    source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections
    1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,

    b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three
    years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your
    cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete
    machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be
    distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium
    customarily used for software interchange; or,

    c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer
    to distribute corresponding source code.  (This alternative is
    allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you
    received the program in object code or executable form with such
    an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.)

AFAICT,  this obligation is not being met. for the gcc and binutils binaries.
Danny.

> --
> ~~Scott Simontis~~
> ssi...@sp...
>

Re: [Dev-C++] Where are gcc compiler and binutils sources?

[<ulr...@we...>]

Hello from Germany,
I think Danny Smith asked a good question.

But I am astonished, that there is no answer!

Please don't ignore this principal question!

Hoping, that we get good News soon,

Ulrich Althöfer

Danny Smith schrieb:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Simontis"
> Sent: Friday, 22 July 2005 02:18
> 
> 
> 
>>Danny Smith wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I would like the  sources used to produce the gcc  and binaries distributed
> 
> with
> 
>>>the "full" Dev-C++ package, but can't find a link to them (or even the
>>>obligatory offer to provide them on request) on project pages.
>>>
>>>The reason is so that I can compare with the sources distributed by
> 
> mingw.org.
> 
>>>It may help to answer some of the bug reports that get posted to mingw-users,
>>>
>>>Where are these sources?
>>>
>>>
>>>Danny
>>>
> 
> 
>>www.gnu.org will probably have some info.
>>
> 
> 
> Indeed  it does:
> 
> This is from the GPL agreement
> 
>   3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it,
> under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of
> Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following:
> 
>     a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable
>     source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections
>     1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,
> 
>     b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three
>     years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your
>     cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete
>     machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be
>     distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium
>     customarily used for software interchange; or,
> 
>     c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer
>     to distribute corresponding source code.  (This alternative is
>     allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you
>     received the program in object code or executable form with such
>     an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.)
> 
> AFAICT,  this obligation is not being met. for the gcc and binutils binaries.
> Danny.
> 
> 
>>--
>>~~Scott Simontis~~
>>ssi...@sp...
>>
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Dev-C++] Where are gcc compiler and binutils sources?

[Per W. <pw...@ia...>]

If the MinGW compiler is a binary release directly from MinGW, then you
should look at www.mingw.org for sources. It is only if the compiler has
modified source that the supplier of the modified compiler must be ready
to supply the changed source too.

Since I normally don't install MinGW togeter with Dev-C++ but download and
install it separately, I can't say if Dev-C++ is distributed with a
modified compiler.

/Per W

On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, [windows-1252] Ulrich Alth=F6fer wrote:

> Hello from Germany,
> I think Danny Smith asked a good question.
>
> But I am astonished, that there is no answer!
>
> Please don't ignore this principal question!
>
> Hoping, that we get good News soon,
>
> Ulrich Alth=F6fer
>
> Danny Smith schrieb:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott Simontis"
> > Sent: Friday, 22 July 2005 02:18
> >
> >
> >
> >>Danny Smith wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I would like the  sources used to produce the gcc  and binaries distri=
buted
> >
> > with
> >
> >>>the "full" Dev-C++ package, but can't find a link to them (or even the
> >>>obligatory offer to provide them on request) on project pages.
> >>>
> >>>The reason is so that I can compare with the sources distributed by
> >
> > mingw.org.
> >
> >>>It may help to answer some of the bug reports that get posted to mingw=
-users,
> >>>
> >>>Where are these sources?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Danny
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>www.gnu.org will probably have some info.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Indeed  it does:
> >
> > This is from the GPL agreement
> >
> >   3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it,
> > under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of
> > Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following:
> >
> >     a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable
> >     source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections
> >     1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange=
; or,
> >
> >     b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three
> >     years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your
> >     cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete
> >     machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be
> >     distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium
> >     customarily used for software interchange; or,
> >
> >     c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer
> >     to distribute corresponding source code.  (This alternative is
> >     allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you
> >     received the program in object code or executable form with such
> >     an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.)
> >
> > AFAICT,  this obligation is not being met. for the gcc and binutils bin=
aries.
> > Danny.
> >
> >
> >>--
> >>~~Scott Simontis~~
> >>ssi...@sp...
> >>

Re: [Dev-C++] Where are gcc compiler and binutils sources?

[Danny S. <dan...@cl...>]

From: "Per Westermark" >
Sent: Friday, 22 July 2005 21:19


> If the MinGW compiler is a binary release directly from MinGW, then you
> should look at www.mingw.org for sources. It is only if the compiler has
> modified source that the supplier of the modified compiler must be ready
> to supply the changed source too.

That is incorrect.  Please refer to:

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html

and in particular the section on distributing binaries from one site and sources
from someone else's.

If mingw.org has given Dev-C++ project a written offer to provide sources on
request (as per section 3.b of the GPL), then redistribution of binaries could
just include that written offer.  But, AFAIK, that is not the case.

Ii is unfortunate that many windows users misunderstand the benefits and the
obligations of GPL'd software.
It would be sad if Dev-C++ promulgated that misunderstanding by an example that
says,"Dev-C++ doesn;t have to distribute sources of redistributed binaries, so I
don't either"

In any case, probably the best party to ask about this would be the copyright
holder (FSF)  Their contact address is on the FAQ page cited earlier.

> Since I normally don't install MinGW togeter with Dev-C++ but download and
> install it separately, I can't say if Dev-C++ is distributed with a
> modified compiler.

Someone should say.    Otherwise, when someone reports a problem with gcc or
binutils to mingw org and says they are using Dev-C++, it is difficult to know
where to
look for the problem.

Danny

/Per W