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From: Khalid El-K. <kha...@ho...> - 2003-03-29 21:35:37
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>I agree with peace in Iraq. But I thought that's why we went to Iraq.... >I guess it all depends on one's concept on peace, which could be TV peace >(perception) or real facts peace, which we all know justifies we going in >and remove a sadistic regime. is this peace for you, http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/gulfwar2/ it's not a place for discussing politics ... but the one who told you that USA and UK went there for peace is kidding you ... Civilians being hit in this war are a big proof, if i was Iraqi, i would have fought to death. Iraq contains, mass-destruction weapons, how about Israel ? sorry, but i had to reply, ignore if you do want to stop such a topic. regards :) Khalid Al-Kary _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail |
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From: Khalid El-K. <kha...@ho...> - 2003-03-29 21:37:49
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>Please let's have an immediate stop to this thread. > >There's a lot of different opinions among the readers of this group. Let's >not alienate one or the other side. Let everyone decide for themself what >they believe in and how they define piece etc... > >/Per W sorry, i hadn't read your post before i sent my message *shy* Ignore my mail :) have a nice time ... _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 |
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From: Santiago <sa...@ho...> - 2003-03-29 22:54:58
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So 250,00 dead civilians in the last two decades is moraly "ok" with you. let face it Ioannis, you DON'T CARE ABOUT CIVILIANS, How many times do I have to repeat myself. Saddam killed those 250,00 just because of what they thought and you don't even mention that fact in your replies. YOU ONLY CARE ABOUT the fact that that US and the UK are in another country, that's all.. Again, if you were concerned about those innocent people we are trying to free, you would have been rallying against Saddam all your life. But you turned a blind eye on that, and keep on doing so... talk about brain washing! even on the face of real facts. Just turn on your TV and find out who's shooting civilian trying to flee their town, who is using terrorists tactics abusing our moral behavior, who is surrendering and then shooting us taking advantage of our efforts to save lives, and who is torturing our brave GIs when we give medical attention to Iraq's POWs. Remenber, before cancer can kill you, doctors need to remove malign tissue, but not even the best doctor could avoid removing some small amount of healthy tissue as well. Ioannis, I don't know where you are, but if you want to be like the Fresh before WWII, go ahead. And if you think that the US government is killing civilians in purpose, then with all due respect, you must have gone to "Osama Bin Laden high school." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ioannis Vranos" <iv...@em...> To: "'Santiago'" <sa...@ho...> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 5:09 PM Subject: RE: [Dev-C++] Iraq Peace Pledge To give few very recent examples. US/UK are hitting directly citizens. For example they bombed a public market in the day and eradicated a whole neighborhood. They were pciking human members, like a palm with 5 fingers. A book with comics with batman in iraqi language was the only thing that remained from a kid. US/UK news agencies said that Iraqis did it(!) and entioned it as a 25th news with no video of the atrocities. Today they bombed a central storehouse with medicines and food. People there have got very disperate and have become kamikazes, yet US say that the "army gets dressed as civilians"! US/UK do not capture soldiers as prisoners even if they wave white flags, they kill them all! US says that after the war UN will not undertake the restructuring of Iraq, but they will keep the oil for themselves! They said to all governments that "we do not do this war to give the resources to United Nations"! They kill directly civilians, period. Daily we learn about unbelievable atrocities, while at the same time we learn the crap that US feed their citizens! US have become Nazistic!!!!!!!!!!!! Awake! (I am in Greece/Europe, not in Russia as you may think by my email address). Ioannis Vranos * Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com * Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys |
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From: Ioannis V. <iv...@em...> - 2003-03-29 23:37:55
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I made a syntax error so I repost. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Santiago [mailto:sa...@ho...]=20 > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 1:14 AM > To: Ioannis Vranos > Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Iraq Peace Pledge >=20 >=20 > Of course we did. And that was a huge mistake. However, that=20 > doesn't achange > the fact that you don't care about those poor civilians. The US > miscalculated that unlike all other countries with chem=20 > weapons, ie Russia, > Saddam doesn't care about his pown people, and therefore CAN NOT be > contained. Having said that, the US needs to survive and destroy > uncontainable threat. But you and most of the world don't=20 > want to realize > that the greatness of the USA is based on its freedom and=20 > values, and that's > why you also know that the US will do its very best to avoid civilian > casualties. And our ability to do that, believe it or not,=20 > causes more fury > among anti US people. So let me undestand. You create dictators and terrorits who torture = people of other countries with horifying deeds, provide them with deadly = weapons and as far as they make your favours there is no problem. If they stop = doing it, then you make war against them and kill many of the citizens = yourselves (this is the truth and not what you are told that is going on).=20 I do not say that it is your personal fault, you are just a citizen. But this is what is going on. And all the mass media feed you with the propaganda that is needed to make you think that your country is = behaving with the highest moral values. Why the same people created this horrible dictator? They did not know = that Iraq people would suffer? How suddenly in the 90s they remembered that = he is evil? We had dictatorship here in Greece in 1960's and lasted for years. Guess = who organized them, CIA. We had republic and they placed us under = dictatorship until 1974. I consider all US citizens as victims. You do not know what really is = going on. You think that all the whole world has problem with US for not some apparent reason, that they just envy your power. Get real, US make = horrible things around the world! Well I do not know if you can ever realise that, but well, at least I = made a try to give you a more real perspective. Ioannis Vranos =20 * Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com * Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys |
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From: Ioannis V. <iv...@em...> - 2003-03-30 01:36:24
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> -----Original Message----- > From: Santiago [mailto:sa...@ho...]=20 > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 4:20 AM > To: Ioannis Vranos > Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Iraq Peace Pledge >=20 At first I want to say that I am just a citizen in Europe, just a coder. = I am not talking about politics but I decided now to talk because things = have got to be outrageous. I am not (even) a member of a political party. And = i try to be as neutral as possible. The truth is that I believe that US = after WWII and especially after the fall of the Eastern block has lost the = control of itself. And things are getting increasingly more out of control. > Suppose you teach someone c++ and then that person uses those=20 > skills to hack > you. Would you have expected that student to attack you?=20 I would not teach C++ to dictators nor to fanatics of any kind. I would teach C++ only to democratic societies and powers. And I would call it = an "attack of goodness". > that's the same > issue in a greater scale when it comes to Iraq. Regardless of=20 > any mistakes > the US may have made in the past, believe me the US will NOT=20 > take a chance > and WILL destroy any threat, with unprecedented minimum casualties > (precision I know a lot of people hate), and will defend=20 > itself.=20 There were no mistakes. They created dicators and trained extremists so = as to use them against the others and towards their profit (like taking = free oil for example). They never cared about the people. in the contrary = their actions were always against human lives. > There's no > room to leave possibilities on the air (like France before=20 > WWII). Yet France did not create Hitler. > there is > no room to take a chance. It's all about survival and believe=20 > we the US WILL > survive and WILL not concede to any oposition. You just have=20 > to get used to > it! Ok, now that US will take over Iraq (with the possibility of use of = atomic weapons) they will probably place another dictator or may be they will remain there as an occupation army. As they said, they will not give = Iraq to United Nations to help to its restructuring. Face it, US troops there = are an occupation army. However I am not surprised that you do not know what is going on. We are listening daily on TV what has happened and how your channels report it (if they even report it). And i am not talking about = my country, I am talking about the whole Europe (except UK of course). Ioannis Vranos =20 * Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com * Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys |
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From: jo m. <non...@ho...> - 2003-03-30 12:52:17
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what do you mean? Lets go and remove ALL sadistic regimes? By any means? Who has asked for help to Irak?... Thousands of people fighting against invaders... that is real facts. >From: "Santiago" <sa...@ho...> >Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Iraq Peace Pledge >Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 15:42:33 -0500 > >I agree with peace in Iraq. But I thought that's why we went to Iraq.... >I guess it all depends on one's concept on peace, which could be TV peace >(perception) or real facts peace, which we all know justifies we going in >and remove a sadistic regime. > >Santiago > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus |
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From: jo m. <non...@ho...> - 2003-03-30 13:02:06
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>From: "Santiago" <sa...@ho...> >Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Iraq Peace Pledge >Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 17:03:22 -0500 >Per, I'LL STOP THIS THREAD WHEN THERE'S NO REPLY TO ISSUES THAT HIT HOME. Hit home??? Whose home is being hit? _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail |
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From: jo m. <non...@ho...> - 2003-03-30 13:10:48
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>From: "Ioannis Vranos" <iv...@em...> >To: <Dev...@li...> >Subject: RE: [Dev-C++] Iraq Peace Pledge >Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 00:32:46 +0200 > >Let's stop discussing in the list, my experience from people is that they >do >not change easily. :) Noone can really convince the other, and in cases >where common ground could be found would need years of discussion so as >deceived people to realise what is going on. > > >Ioannis Vranos > That's the point: Instead of discussing... lets star a war. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail |
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From: jo m. <non...@ho...> - 2003-03-30 13:19:00
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I see. Then you are convinced that tomahawks never fail targets and the UN want to control oil production. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail |
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From: Santiago <sa...@ho...> - 2003-03-29 22:06:49
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You don't for civilians, if you did, You you've rally to go to Iraq since the 80's when all the killing started. 250,000 innocent lives should ring something somewhere. By the way, Saddam has not only killed all those people, he has killed by far more muslims than any any lider in the history of the world. You only have a problem with the US and UK going in, but not people being killed. Per, I'LL STOP THIS THREAD WHEN THERE'S NO REPLY TO ISSUES THAT HIT HOME. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Khalid El-Kary" <kha...@ho...> To: <Dev...@li...> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] Iraq Peace Pledge > >I agree with peace in Iraq. But I thought that's why we went to Iraq.... > >I guess it all depends on one's concept on peace, which could be TV peace > >(perception) or real facts peace, which we all know justifies we going in > >and remove a sadistic regime. > > > is this peace for you, http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/gulfwar2/ > > it's not a place for discussing politics ... but the one who told you that > USA and UK went there for peace is kidding you ... Civilians being hit in > this war are a big proof, if i was Iraqi, i would have fought to death. > > Iraq contains, mass-destruction weapons, how about Israel ? > > sorry, but i had to reply, ignore if you do want to stop such a topic. > > regards :) > Khalid Al-Kary > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: > The Definitive IT and Networking Event. Be There! > NetWorld+Interop Las Vegas 2003 -- Register today! > http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?keyn0001en > _______________________________________________ > Dev-cpp-users mailing list > Dev...@li... > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.noicys.cjb.net/devcpp/ub.htm > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > |
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From: Ioannis V. <iv...@em...> - 2003-03-29 22:32:55
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Let's stop discussing in the list, my experience from people is that they do not change easily. :) Noone can really convince the other, and in cases where common ground could be found would need years of discussion so as deceived people to realise what is going on. Ioannis Vranos * Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com * Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys |
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From: <tel...@ya...> - 2003-03-30 11:29:58
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c'mon guys, DEV C++ and programming stuff ppls!! stop this crap firstly cos an INTERNET pledge dont mean jack S#!T to ANYONE. And i doubt anyone here has ANY REAL VERIFIABLE knowledge of what really happens. You either get your info from the yanks, or the sociallist, no-one is qualified to make these claims unless you either live in IRAQ and have suffered from these regine or have actually witness it. by the time this stuff filters through the media to us, it always seems so biased one way or the other. so guys, lets stick to C/C++ :) http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. |
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From: Louis G. <lg...@ya...> - 2003-03-30 15:56:07
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Well said Richard. Nothing we discuss on this list will change anything. Let's get back to DevC++ business. There are many other discussion groups that deal with war issues for those who are interested, this list is for DevC++ issues. --- Richard Chiu <tel...@ya...> wrote: > c'mon guys, DEV C++ and programming stuff ppls!! > > stop this crap firstly cos an INTERNET pledge dont > mean jack S#!T to ANYONE. > > And i doubt anyone here has ANY REAL VERIFIABLE > knowledge of what really happens. You either get your > info from the yanks, or the sociallist, no-one is > qualified to make these claims unless you either live > in IRAQ and have suffered from these regine or have > actually witness it. > > by the time this stuff filters through the media to > us, it always seems so biased one way or the other. so > guys, lets stick to C/C++ > > :) > > http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile > - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: > The Definitive IT and Networking Event. Be There! > NetWorld+Interop Las Vegas 2003 -- Register today! > http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?keyn0001en > _______________________________________________ > Dev-cpp-users mailing list > Dev...@li... > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.noicys.cjb.net/devcpp/ub.htm > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com |
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From: Louis G. <lg...@ya...> - 2003-03-29 22:12:39
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Khalid: your note makes a lot of sense to me. Bush invaded IRAQ because of Saddam's crimes against the Iraqi people. But he didn't invade Isreal for Sharom's crimes against Palestinians. --- Khalid El-Kary <kha...@ho...> wrote: > >I agree with peace in Iraq. But I thought that's why we went to > Iraq.... > >I guess it all depends on one's concept on peace, which could be TV > peace > >(perception) or real facts peace, which we all know justifies we going > in > >and remove a sadistic regime. > > > is this peace for you, http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/gulfwar2/ > > it's not a place for discussing politics ... but the one who told you > that > USA and UK went there for peace is kidding you ... Civilians being hit > in > this war are a big proof, if i was Iraqi, i would have fought to death. > > Iraq contains, mass-destruction weapons, how about Israel ? > > sorry, but i had to reply, ignore if you do want to stop such a topic. > > regards :) > Khalid Al-Kary > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: > The Definitive IT and Networking Event. Be There! > NetWorld+Interop Las Vegas 2003 -- Register today! > http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?keyn0001en > _______________________________________________ > Dev-cpp-users mailing list > Dev...@li... > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.noicys.cjb.net/devcpp/ub.htm > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com |
