Thread: Re: [Dev-C++] How can I become a great windows programmer?
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From: Daniel G. <sp...@ho...> - 2002-11-27 16:50:39
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Hey I was just after people's opinions and suggestions. I'm sure you'd agree there are as many bad practices out there as there are good ones, why begin a bad habit? This is a question for experienced programmers who have been in the field and whose knowledge could benefit myself and others reading this list. If the question isn't one welcomed by most, then it won't get replied to. Simple. >From: The Tone'ster <to...@ds...> >To: list dev-cpp-users <dev...@li...> >Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] How can I become a great windows programmer? >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:33:40 -0800 (PST) > > >being a professional programmer myself ... > >another technique for being a good programmer is learning how to do basic >research using a search engine to find >tutorials/information/implementations on >subject matter that is pertinent. > >posting questions like this shows no initiative, no aptitude and shows no >respect for the value of other programmers time ... > >Tony > >--- Zodiaq <zo...@ac...> wrote: > > Hello Daniel and all Dev-C++ users, > > > > Wednesday, November 27, 2002, 4:41:29 PM, Daniel wrote as follows: > > > > DG> crazy thing to ask as I know you don't become one overnight, but how >can > > I > > DG> get on and become good at windows programming? I'm specifically >asking > > for > > DG> tutorials on websites, general tips (don't use/do use wizards in >VC++), > > DG> things like that. > > > > Question is really strange... but let me say few things: > > -to be good at programming windows app you have to decide how you'll > > made them - using MFC, VCL, wxWindows, .NET or in pure WinAPI... well, I >use > > the last option because I like to see small size of my apps, and the > > speed is fastest of mentioned... Yeah, I have write some more code > > that I'd have to in i.e. MFC, but these don't matter - I'm master of > > my code and I don't have to rely on oversized MFC libs... but choose > > one as you shouldn't devide your time into different areas - it's just > > waste of it... > > -I've chosen WinAPI and there are thousand of examples in C++ in MSDN > > and in Platform SDK (which you can download for free from M$ site, it > > is also updated fequantly - something like 4 times a year) > > -at last, but not least - to be good at something you have to > > understand it deeply - I mean every aspect of C++ (templates, >exceptions, > > OOP) and WinAPI (HANDLEs, msgs, errors, limitations etc.) > > - lots of own code... > >===== > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.net email is sponsored by: Get the new Palm Tungsten T >handheld. Power & Color in a compact size! >http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?palm0002en >_______________________________________________ >Dev-cpp-users mailing list >Dev...@li... >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.noicys.cjb.net/devcpp/ub.htm >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail |
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From: The Tone's. <to...@ds...> - 2002-11-27 17:40:18
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I'm not going to belabor this. My response obviously is going to end up being as valueless to you as the question you asked of the group. My bad. I'm old enough, I've been around enough and I should know better ... but my parting words of wisdom ... FWIW ... The devil in this business is _not_ in the specifics of things. Win32API, wxWindows yadddah, yaddah. The devil is in the ability to understand the fundamental nature of things. To be able to do research. To be able to form designs and examples for the pro's and con's. To formulate queries to your peers with precise questions to be answered based on your research of the problem and your examples All without always fully understanding the technology for implementation, or the specifics of the problem domain etc ... The platforms are constantly changing, first it was DOS, then it was Windows, the it was Win32S, then it was Win32API, the it was .NET then it is ???. But the true nature of what it means to be a "programmer" has not changed ... from the days when you flipped switches on the front of a blinky box to today ... Tony --- Daniel Glenfield <sp...@ho...> wrote: > Hey I was just after people's opinions and suggestions. I'm sure you'd agree > there are as many bad practices out there as there are good ones, why begin > a bad habit? > > This is a question for experienced programmers who have been in the field > and whose knowledge could benefit myself and others reading this list. If > the question isn't one welcomed by most, then it won't get replied to. > Simple. ===== |
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From: Louis G. <lg...@ya...> - 2002-11-27 21:33:02
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Daniel, Your question is a proper one to ask of members of this list. Don't be discouraged by Tone'ster response. --- Daniel Glenfield <sp...@ho...> wrote: > Hey I was just after people's opinions and suggestions. I'm sure you'd > agree > there are as many bad practices out there as there are good ones, why > begin > a bad habit? > > This is a question for experienced programmers who have been in the > field > and whose knowledge could benefit myself and others reading this list. > If > the question isn't one welcomed by most, then it won't get replied to. > Simple. > > > > > >From: The Tone'ster <to...@ds...> > >To: list dev-cpp-users <dev...@li...> > >Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] How can I become a great windows programmer? > >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:33:40 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >being a professional programmer myself ... > > > >another technique for being a good programmer is learning how to do > basic > >research using a search engine to find > >tutorials/information/implementations on > >subject matter that is pertinent. > > > >posting questions like this shows no initiative, no aptitude and shows > no > >respect for the value of other programmers time ... > > > >Tony > > > >--- Zodiaq <zo...@ac...> wrote: > > > Hello Daniel and all Dev-C++ users, > > > > > > Wednesday, November 27, 2002, 4:41:29 PM, Daniel wrote as follows: > > > > > > DG> crazy thing to ask as I know you don't become one overnight, but > how > >can > > > I > > > DG> get on and become good at windows programming? I'm specifically > >asking > > > for > > > DG> tutorials on websites, general tips (don't use/do use wizards in > > >VC++), > > > DG> things like that. > > > > > > Question is really strange... but let me say few things: > > > -to be good at programming windows app you have to decide how you'll > > > made them - using MFC, VCL, wxWindows, .NET or in pure WinAPI... > well, I > >use > > > the last option because I like to see small size of my apps, and the > > > speed is fastest of mentioned... Yeah, I have write some more code > > > that I'd have to in i.e. MFC, but these don't matter - I'm master of > > > my code and I don't have to rely on oversized MFC libs... but choose > > > one as you shouldn't devide your time into different areas - it's > just > > > waste of it... > > > -I've chosen WinAPI and there are thousand of examples in C++ in > MSDN > > > and in Platform SDK (which you can download for free from M$ site, > it > > > is also updated fequantly - something like 4 times a year) > > > -at last, but not least - to be good at something you have to > > > understand it deeply - I mean every aspect of C++ (templates, > >exceptions, > > > OOP) and WinAPI (HANDLEs, msgs, errors, limitations etc.) > > > - lots of own code... > > > >===== > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- > >This SF.net email is sponsored by: Get the new Palm Tungsten T > >handheld. Power & Color in a compact size! > >http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?palm0002en > >_______________________________________________ > >Dev-cpp-users mailing list > >Dev...@li... > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.noicys.cjb.net/devcpp/ub.htm > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Get the new Palm Tungsten T > handheld. Power & Color in a compact size! > http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?palm0002en > _______________________________________________ > Dev-cpp-users mailing list > Dev...@li... > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.noicys.cjb.net/devcpp/ub.htm > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com |