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From: Santiago P. C. <San...@yd...> - 2002-05-20 15:25:09
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Hi Bob, It seems to me that this is becoming something different than a 'religiou= s war' about 'HTML vs plan text'... It's near a 'M$ vs non-M$ war' right no= w, but let me say some things about this... * - Dev-C++ is developed for M$ Windows but... It uses SW that has been ported / is being ported from UNIX/Linux to Windows because some people think *that* SW is better (and cheaper) than *other* SW developed for Windows; just think about gcc/MinGW and some libraries like STL, wxWindows... * - Even in the case that we're using M$ Win XX as our OS... Why am I suppossed to use M$ Outlook / Outlook Express as email client? Shouldn't = I use any other emails clients? * - If you think that M$ is doing things better than anyone else... Why aren't you using M$ development tools?=20 * - Statistics are not good in most cases, so saying that "pyschological,= physiological, and marketing studies have demonstrated that '>' chars are= worse than 'tabs' or 'HTML tags'" is not a big point to have in mind... B= TW, just one question: Who made the studies? * - If you already know that this mailing list is different than the rest= =20of mailing lists that you are suscribed to: because we use different tools, because we use different and heterogeneus environments, because people he= re think different from others, because whatever... Why are you trying to change the list in order to fit to your needs? I don't want to flame you (please belive me), I just only want to point o= ut that most of us think different than you and we're using different system= s that yours (note that many people has replied from 'text side' and not so= many from 'HTML side' ;oD), so please, please, as some people has pointed= out before on the list (I think Colin Laplace also said so): try to avoid= the use of HTML in this list... BTW, "G=FCttenberg" is a good clue for something that will make a BIG revolution in communications, but I don't think that HTML emails are such= =20a big revolution (and I'm not the only one)...=20 Regards, Santy PS: I'm using both M$ Windows systems (Win2K & XP) and UNIX-like systems (FreeBSD, Red Hat Linux & Solaris)... And I try to use the *NIX ones as m= uch as I can... -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------- This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and inten= ded solely=20 for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. No co= nfidentiality=20 or privilege is waived or lost by any wrong transmission.=20 If you have received this message in error, please immediately destroy it= =20and kindly=20 notify the sender by reply email. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, o= r copy any=20 part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Opinions, con= clusions and=20 other information in this message that do not relate to the official busi= ness of=20 Ydilo Advanced Voice Solutions, S.A. shall be understood as neither given= =20nor endorsed by it.=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------- |
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From: Bob W. <bo...@ph...> - 2002-05-20 17:39:58
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Santy, > It seems to me that this is becoming something different than a 'religi= ous > war' about 'HTML vs plan text'... It's near a 'M$ vs non-M$ war' right now, Not for me. I could care less about either Microsoft or Linux or UNIX or = any other operating system and/or the development environment. It just so happens that the discussion is revolving around a couple of Microsoft products because dev-C++ is directed at the Microsoft environment. > * - Even in the case that we're using M$ Win XX as our OS... Why am I > suppossed to use M$ Outlook / Outlook Express as email client? Shouldn'= t I > use any other emails clients? You should use whatever you desire that does the job for you. The discuss= ion here is more of one of inclusion vs. exclusion. The text-only crowd wants= to exclude any text formatting capabilities. The thrust should be to make th= e environment of the archive server more robust or more inclusive. > * - If you think that M$ is doing things better than anyone else... Why > aren't you using M$ development tools? I am using several different development tools one of which is Visual C++= . I have no love for Microsoft or any of its product lines. I personally disp= ise *Word*. At the same time I believe that to make something *bold* by the u= se of encapsulating asterisks is an affectation in the day and age of WYSIW= YG word processors and desktop publishing tools. > * - Statistics are not good in most cases, so saying that "pyschologica= l, > physiological, and marketing studies have demonstrated that '>' chars a= re > worse than 'tabs' or 'HTML tags'" is not a big point to have in mind... BTW, > just one question: Who made the studies? Ye gads! I cannot give you a list, but I can tell you that my first introduction to the topic was in my undergraduate days when I studied typography, layout, and design. It is a subject which has kept my interes= t for decades, and I have been drawn to studies and reports whenever I came across them. > * - If you already know that this mailing list is different than the re= st of > mailing lists that you are suscribed to: because we use different tools= , > because we use different and heterogeneus environments, because people here > think different from others, because whatever... Why are you trying to > change the list in order to fit to your needs? I am not trying to change anything to fit "my" needs. Rather I have raise= d some questions as to the wisdom of intentionally prohibiting or ignoring messages with formated text. > I don't want to flame you (please belive me), I just only want to point out > that most of us think different than you and we're using different syst= ems > that yours (note that many people has replied from 'text side' and not = so > many from 'HTML side' ;oD), so please, please, as some people has point= ed > out before on the list (I think Colin Laplace also said so): try to avo= id > the use of HTML in this list... You have not flamed me and neither has anyone else. I have been neither offended nor slighted by any responses to my posts on this topic. I agree that people are using different systems, and that it is a personal choice. However, I maintain, correctly IMHO, that it is wrong headed to not inclu= de the formatting capabilities of the embedded email software in the Microso= ft operating systems in a forum/newsgroup that is dedicated to the discussio= n and promotion of a piece of software that is targeted to the Microsoft environment. The whole discussion started with a comment that "html is evil." It is no= t. Like guns, nefarious individuals can do evil things with it. > BTW, "G=FCttenberg" is a good clue for something that will make a BIG > revolution in communications, but I don't think that HTML emails are su= ch a > big revolution (and I'm not the only one)... My "G=FCttenberg" clue didn't have anything to do with something "BIG." R= ather it had to do with typefaces. Specifically it was directed a numerous comments that they only formatting that the emails in question had were a few instances of bold face. Clearly that was not the case. As far as I am concerned, the html-plain text discussion ends with this post, unless someone keeps it alive. Regards, Bob |
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From: Christiaan S. <ck...@ia...> - 2002-05-21 17:09:51
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I dont want to get involved in this argument just want to cast my vote for html emails :-P ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Wilson" <bo...@ph...> To: "Dev-C++ User Mailing List" <dev...@li...> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] HTML vs plain text Santy, > It seems to me that this is becoming something different than a 'religious > war' about 'HTML vs plan text'... It's near a 'M$ vs non-M$ war' right now, Not for me. I could care less about either Microsoft or Linux or UNIX or any other operating system and/or the development environment. It just so happens that the discussion is revolving around a couple of Microsoft products because dev-C++ is directed at the Microsoft environment. > * - Even in the case that we're using M$ Win XX as our OS... Why am I > suppossed to use M$ Outlook / Outlook Express as email client? Shouldn't I > use any other emails clients? You should use whatever you desire that does the job for you. The discussion here is more of one of inclusion vs. exclusion. The text-only crowd wants to exclude any text formatting capabilities. The thrust should be to make the environment of the archive server more robust or more inclusive. > * - If you think that M$ is doing things better than anyone else... Why > aren't you using M$ development tools? I am using several different development tools one of which is Visual C++. I have no love for Microsoft or any of its product lines. I personally dispise *Word*. At the same time I believe that to make something *bold* by the use of encapsulating asterisks is an affectation in the day and age of WYSIWYG word processors and desktop publishing tools. > * - Statistics are not good in most cases, so saying that "pyschological, > physiological, and marketing studies have demonstrated that '>' chars are > worse than 'tabs' or 'HTML tags'" is not a big point to have in mind... BTW, > just one question: Who made the studies? Ye gads! I cannot give you a list, but I can tell you that my first introduction to the topic was in my undergraduate days when I studied typography, layout, and design. It is a subject which has kept my interest for decades, and I have been drawn to studies and reports whenever I came across them. > * - If you already know that this mailing list is different than the rest of > mailing lists that you are suscribed to: because we use different tools, > because we use different and heterogeneus environments, because people here > think different from others, because whatever... Why are you trying to > change the list in order to fit to your needs? I am not trying to change anything to fit "my" needs. Rather I have raised some questions as to the wisdom of intentionally prohibiting or ignoring messages with formated text. > I don't want to flame you (please belive me), I just only want to point out > that most of us think different than you and we're using different systems > that yours (note that many people has replied from 'text side' and not so > many from 'HTML side' ;oD), so please, please, as some people has pointed > out before on the list (I think Colin Laplace also said so): try to avoid > the use of HTML in this list... You have not flamed me and neither has anyone else. I have been neither offended nor slighted by any responses to my posts on this topic. I agree that people are using different systems, and that it is a personal choice. However, I maintain, correctly IMHO, that it is wrong headed to not include the formatting capabilities of the embedded email software in the Microsoft operating systems in a forum/newsgroup that is dedicated to the discussion and promotion of a piece of software that is targeted to the Microsoft environment. The whole discussion started with a comment that "html is evil." It is not. Like guns, nefarious individuals can do evil things with it. > BTW, "Güttenberg" is a good clue for something that will make a BIG > revolution in communications, but I don't think that HTML emails are such a > big revolution (and I'm not the only one)... My "Güttenberg" clue didn't have anything to do with something "BIG." Rather it had to do with typefaces. Specifically it was directed a numerous comments that they only formatting that the emails in question had were a few instances of bold face. Clearly that was not the case. As far as I am concerned, the html-plain text discussion ends with this post, unless someone keeps it alive. Regards, Bob _______________________________________________________________ Hundreds of nodes, one monster rendering program. Now that's a super model! Visit http://clustering.foundries.sf.net/ _______________________________________________ Dev-cpp-users mailing list Dev...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users |
