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RE: [Dev-C++] In desperate need of help

[Ioannis V. <no...@ho...>]

Yes, my mistake. I wanted to write:
 
or for C:
 
gcc temp.c -o temp
 
 
The g++ thing for C is an error.
 
 
Ioannis Vranos
 
* Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com
<http://www.noicys.freeurl.com/> 
* Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys

-----Original Message-----
From: Marcos Passini [mailto:pa...@ac...] 
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 8:24 PM
To: Ioannis Vranos
Subject: RES: [Dev-C++] In desperate need of help


For C you'd better use *gcc* temp.c -o temp instead of *g++*

-----Mensagem original-----
De: dev...@li...
[mailto:dev...@li...]Em nome de Ioannis
Vranos
Enviada em: domingo, 24 de novembro de 2002 14:36
Para: Dev-C++ Mailing List
Assunto: RE: [Dev-C++] In desperate need of help


If anything else fails you can place c:\dev-c++\bin in your path and use
g++ from the command line in the style:
 
g++ temp.cpp -o temp
 
or for C:
 
g++ temp.c -o temp
 
 
 

Ioannis Vranos
 
* Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com
<http://www.noicys.freeurl.com/> 
* Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys

-----Original Message-----
From: dev...@li...
[mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf Of santi
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 2:04 AM
To: dev...@li...
Subject: [Dev-C++] In desperate need of help


Hi,
 
Brand new member of this group.
 
I'm working with Dev c++ (4.9.6.0) under win XP.
(If its of any use. I'm also using Flex and Bison)
 
Anyway; I was doing grate; untill about half an hour ago. Dev c++
started hanging up. And now it won't start.
 
Actually. It does start. But It shuts down when I try to open my
project.
 
I'm 10 mins away from going nuts here. I have a deadline on tuesday.
 
As I said. I'm in desperate need of help, ideas (and above all
solutions)
 
Thx 
Santi
 
****************
 
Now, Only to give U the hole story. It all started a couple of days ago;
when It started crashing (not everytime, but eventually)
when I tryed to access a pointer (p-> )
 
It continued today.
 
On my win Xp; it just shuts down without further notice. 
But on the other machine we are working ( a win 98SE) it crahses the
system.
 
 
 
--------------
 
I have tryed; opening old versions of the project. But the results are
the same.
 
 
 

RE: [Dev-C++] In desperate need of help

[Ioannis V. <no...@ho...>]

If anything else fails you can place c:\dev-c++\bin in your path and use
g++ from the command line in the style:
 
g++ temp.cpp -o temp
 
or for C:
 
g++ temp.c -o temp
 
 
 
Ioannis Vranos
 
* Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com
<http://www.noicys.freeurl.com/> 
* Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys

-----Original Message-----
From: dev...@li...
[mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf Of santi
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 2:04 AM
To: dev...@li...
Subject: [Dev-C++] In desperate need of help


Hi,
 
Brand new member of this group.
 
I'm working with Dev c++ (4.9.6.0) under win XP.
(If its of any use. I'm also using Flex and Bison)
 
Anyway; I was doing grate; untill about half an hour ago. Dev c++
started hanging up. And now it won't start.
 
Actually. It does start. But It shuts down when I try to open my
project.
 
I'm 10 mins away from going nuts here. I have a deadline on tuesday.
 
As I said. I'm in desperate need of help, ideas (and above all
solutions)
 
Thx 
Santi
 
****************
 
Now, Only to give U the hole story. It all started a couple of days ago;
when It started crashing (not everytime, but eventually)
when I tryed to access a pointer (p-> )
 
It continued today.
 
On my win Xp; it just shuts down without further notice. 
But on the other machine we are working ( a win 98SE) it crahses the
system.
 
 
 
--------------
 
I have tryed; opening old versions of the project. But the results are
the same.
 
 
 

Re: [Dev-C++] In desperate need of help

[Carlos d. M. <cg...@wo...>]

I agree it's about code completion, I had a couple of shut downs (I was
lucky, only twice), and once of them it achieved to launch vRoach which
shows info about what was the state when the error occurred, and there
was an error and the code completion in action, it just closed when I
tryed to type the - of ->.
The best I can say is try updating with vUpdate, you must have it in the
bin directory of dev, it's not a big download, about 2MB, less than five
minutes with my 56kb modem. For that you have to close Dev, since it
changes the name of dev.exe to dev.exe.BACKUP and saves the new version
as dev.exe. Now we are at 4.9.6.9 and I didn't found that bug again
since 4.6.9.1.

santi escribi=F3:

> Hi, Brand new member of this group. I'm working with Dev c++ (4.9.6.0)
> under win XP.(If its of any use. I'm also using Flex and
> Bison) Anyway; I was doing grate; untill about half an hour ago. Dev
> c++ started hanging up. And now it won't start. Actually. It does
> start. But It shuts down when I try to open my project. I'm 10 mins
> away from going nuts here. I have a deadline on tuesday. As I said.
> I'm in desperate need of help, ideas (and above all
> solutions) ThxSanti **************** Now, Only to give U the hole
> story. It all started a couple of days ago; when It started crashing
> (not everytime, but eventually)when I tryed to access a pointer (p->
> ) It continued today. On my win Xp; it just shuts down without further
> notice.But on the other machine we are working ( a win 98SE) it
> crahses the system.   -------------- I have tryed; opening old
> versions of the project. But the results are the same.

[Dev-C++] barland C++ builder library

[erwan a. <erw...@fr...>]

Hi everyone,

I would like to use a dll library that I built with the borland C++ =
builder.
But I have 2 problems:
    I can't debug with dev-cpp
    The soft crashes in the library code, and I cannot find why, since I =
cannot bebug....

Does anyone have a solution ???


            Erwan

[Dev-C++] Re: In desperate need of help

[santi <sma...@ad...>]

Hi;

Me again, a little more calm now :-)

I don't really know what happend; but I managed to "trick dev c++ into =
work".

Now; before I open my dev project. I open another file (not a project =
file but a .c from the project)
and then proceed to open de project file.

I am still getting unexpected errors and shut downs from dev; but at =
least It its leting me work.

Anyway. If anybody outhere could give me a more scientific solution to =
my problem I'd apreciate it.

Thanks
Santiago


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: santi=20
  To:    =20
  Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 9:03 PM
  Subject: In desperate need of help


  Hi,

  Brand new member of this group.

  I'm working with Dev c++ (4.9.6.0) under win XP.
  (If its of any use. I'm also using Flex and Bison)

  Anyway; I was doing grate; untill about half an hour ago. Dev c++ =
started hanging up. And now it won't start.

  Actually. It does start. But It shuts down when I try to open my =
project.

  I'm 10 mins away from going nuts here. I have a deadline on tuesday.

  As I said. I'm in desperate need of help, ideas (and above all =
solutions)

  Thx=20
  Santi

  ****************

  Now, Only to give U the hole story. It all started a couple of days =
ago; when It started crashing (not everytime, but eventually)
  when I tryed to access a pointer (p-> )

  It continued today.

  On my win Xp; it just shuts down without further notice.=20
  But on the other machine we are working ( a win 98SE) it crahses the =
system.



  --------------

  I have tryed; opening old versions of the project. But the results are =
the same.

Re: [Dev-C++] In desperate need of help

[Zodiaq <zo...@ac...>]

Hello santi and all Dev-C++ users,

Sunday, November 24, 2002, 1:03:55 AM, santi wrote as follows:


s> On my win Xp; it just shuts down without further notice. 
s> But on the other machine we are working ( a win 98SE) it crahses the system.

Looks like class browser is going nuts... try to disabling it in
options... also if this does not help delete devC++ ini, and if you
have some problems opening you project make it again - not everything
form the scratch, but make new one and copy old .cpp and .h files, and .rc
if you have it... then add these files to your new project...

Hope these helps...
-- 
regards, Zodiaq

[Dev-C++] In desperate need of help

[santi <sma...@ad...>]

Hi,

Brand new member of this group.

I'm working with Dev c++ (4.9.6.0) under win XP.
(If its of any use. I'm also using Flex and Bison)

Anyway; I was doing grate; untill about half an hour ago. Dev c++ =
started hanging up. And now it won't start.

Actually. It does start. But It shuts down when I try to open my =
project.

I'm 10 mins away from going nuts here. I have a deadline on tuesday.

As I said. I'm in desperate need of help, ideas (and above all =
solutions)

Thx=20
Santi

****************

Now, Only to give U the hole story. It all started a couple of days ago; =
when It started crashing (not everytime, but eventually)
when I tryed to access a pointer (p-> )

It continued today.

On my win Xp; it just shuts down without further notice.=20
But on the other machine we are working ( a win 98SE) it crahses the =
system.



--------------

I have tryed; opening old versions of the project. But the results are =
the same.

Re: [Dev-C++] I am stock!

[Shayne K. <err...@ne...>]

Or just run the .exe from the DOS console.

-- Shayne

http://www.shaynekasai.com

On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Luc Saint-Elie wrote:

> Hello (world)
>
> // some wonderfull include
> #include <stdlib.h>
>
> int main(void)
> {
> // a lot of wonderfull lines of code
>    system("PAUSE");
>    return 0;
> }
>
> Luc
>
> At 16:44 23/11/2002 -0500, Olu...@ao... wrote:
> >I am new to C++.  I am using Dev C++ on window platform.
> >
> >I wrote my first c++ program called Hello World.  When i compiled it and
> >run the program, there was no error.
> >
> >The problem is that the result of the program just flashes and
> >disappeared.  I cannot read the outcome of the program which was meant to
> >be HELLO WORLD.
> >
> >How can i make the result of my program say a little bit longer on the
> >screen before it disappeared?
> >
> >I am reading a book called Sams Teach yourself c++ in 24.  it never state
> >how to overcome this type op problem.
> >
> >Yours
> >Adeyemi Olufuwa
>
>
>
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Re: [Dev-C++] I am stock!

[Luc Saint-E. <lu...@re...>]

Hello (world)

// some wonderfull include
#include <stdlib.h>

int main(void)
{
// a lot of wonderfull lines of code
   system("PAUSE");
   return 0;
}

Luc

At 16:44 23/11/2002 -0500, Olu...@ao... wrote:
>I am new to C++.  I am using Dev C++ on window platform.
>
>I wrote my first c++ program called Hello World.  When i compiled it and 
>run the program, there was no error.
>
>The problem is that the result of the program just flashes and 
>disappeared.  I cannot read the outcome of the program which was meant to 
>be HELLO WORLD.
>
>How can i make the result of my program say a little bit longer on the 
>screen before it disappeared?
>
>I am reading a book called Sams Teach yourself c++ in 24.  it never state 
>how to overcome this type op problem.
>
>Yours
>Adeyemi Olufuwa

RE: [Dev-C++] 2 more questions

[Ioannis V. <no...@ho...>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dev...@li... 
> [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf 
> Of Luigi Santillo
> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 4:35 PM
> To: Dev-C++ Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Dev-C++] 2 more questions
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 06:39:59PM +0000, Paul Ardeleanu wrote:
> > Why are you all so keen in returning a value at the end of main?
> > 
> > Paul
> 
> Besides what Ioannis has already said, another good reason to
> have a program return some value is to ... use the value! :)
> 
> For instance, I remember that the (now, or soon to be, obsolete) 
> command.com  shell allowed to write some script file like the 
> following
> 
> rv_test.bat
> -----------
> rem   use return value of "foo" to choose a label 
> foo
> 
> if errorlevel 2 goto label2
> if errorlevel 1 goto label1
> :else
>   echo program "foo" returned 0 (success)
>   goto end
> 
> 
> :label1
>   echo program "foo" returned 1
>   goto end
> 
> :label2
>   echo program "foo" returned a value greater or equal to 2
>   goto end
> 
> :end
> --------


Yep, errorlevels. I think Win & Linux have that too.



Ioannis Vranos
 
* Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com
* Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys

[Dev-C++] I am stock!

[<Olu...@ao...>]

I am new to C++.  I am using Dev C++ on window platform.

I wrote my first c++ program called Hello World.  When i compiled it and run 
the program, there was no error.

The problem is that the result of the program just flashes and disappeared.  
I cannot read the outcome of the program which was meant to be HELLO WORLD.

How can i make the result of my program say a little bit longer on the screen 
before it disappeared? 

I am reading a book called Sams Teach yourself c++ in 24.  it never state how 
to overcome this type op problem.

Yours
Adeyemi Olufuwa

[Dev-C++] debug question

[Christian R. <cr...@da...>]

I don=B4t understand how to debug application. I use devcpp 4.9.6.0.=0D
=0D
Thanks

Re: [Dev-C++] 2 more questions

[Luigi S. <gi...@li...>]

On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 06:39:59PM +0000, Paul Ardeleanu wrote:
> Why are you all so keen in returning a value at the end of main?
> 
> Paul

Besides what Ioannis has already said, another good reason to
have a program return some value is to ... use the value! :)

For instance, I remember that the (now, or soon to be, obsolete) 
command.com  shell allowed to write some script file like the following

rv_test.bat
-----------
rem   use return value of "foo" to choose a label 
foo

if errorlevel 2 goto label2
if errorlevel 1 goto label1
:else
  echo program "foo" returned 0 (success)
  goto end


:label1
  echo program "foo" returned 1
  goto end

:label2
  echo program "foo" returned a value greater or equal to 2
  goto end

:end
--------


I can't test the above right now (running bash :), but it should work
-- 
>> gisan >>
Q:	Heard about the <ethnic> who couldn't spell?
A:	He spent the night in a warehouse.

Re: [Dev-C++] Problem with compiler

[Carlos d. M. <cg...@wo...>]

Do you mean you had a program.exe in a floppy disk and tried to run it
=66rom there?
That's illegal, you shall not run a program from a floppy disk, you can
=66rom a CD, but not from a floppy, so don't try again.
Unfortunately, I cannot give you a solution. Just some questions: Has it
some default directory? (perhaps it was changed to A:), Have you see the
config files of the failing program?

Sopagna Kheang escribi=F3:

>
>
> Dev C++ is one of the best compiler I've used.  I especially like the
> new realease where many new libraries and features are added.
> However, I have a question and was wondering if anyone can give
> suggestion on how to solve a problem.  I tried to open one program
> from a disk and it gave me an error.  From this incident, I couldn't
> get the program to open without having a floppy disk in.  In addition,
> it also does not allow me to open the compiler file menu without a
> disk.  Thanks in advance!
>
> -Pete Kheang-
>
>
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Re: [Dev-C++] windows tutorial

[Carlos d. M. <cg...@wo...>]

Tutorials: www.relisoft.com (WinAPI with C++), www.winprog.org (C WinAPI)=
=2E

Wobien escribi=F3:

> I am looking for a tutorial to learn how to make a windows user interfa=
ce
> for a C++ program.
> I studied the examples that come with Dev-C++ version 4.9.6.0, but I do=
'nt
> understand them well enough. I tried to copy and change them, but I onl=
y get
> scores of error messages.
>
> Can anyone help?
>
> Wobien
>
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RE: [Dev-C++] dynamic allocation of a class member

[Ioannis V. <no...@ho...>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dev...@li...=20
> [mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf=20
> Of Juliano P=E1vel Brasil Cust=F3dio
> Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 5:30 AM
> To: dev...@li...
> Subject: [Dev-C++] dynamic allocation of a class member
>=20
>=20
> 	Sorry for the last html e-mail...=20
>=20
>     Can I allocate memory for a member of a class dynamically? For
> example:
>=20
>     class test{
>             public:
>             int *p;
>             test(int size);
>     }
>=20
>     test::test(int size){p =3D new int[50];}
>=20
>     Is it illegal?


Yes you can. It is legal.


Ioannis Vranos
=20
* Programming pages: http://www.noicys.freeurl.com
* Alternative URL: http://run.to/noicys

[Dev-C++] windows tutorial

[Wobien <wo...@pl...>]

I am looking for a tutorial to learn how to make a windows user interface
for a C++ program.
I studied the examples that come with Dev-C++ version 4.9.6.0, but I do'nt
understand them well enough. I tried to copy and change them, but I only get
scores of error messages.

Can anyone help?

Wobien

Re: [Dev-C++] Remove me from this mailing list

[Wobien <wo...@pl...>]

At the bottom of each message you recive you see this link:
TO UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.noicys.cjb.net/devcpp/ub.htm
Use it!

----- Original Message -----
From: FPa...@ao...
To: dev...@li...
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 3:40 AM
Subject: [Dev-C++] Remove me from this mailing list


Hello everyone,
Can someone tell me how to have my name removed from this mailing list, I
would greatly appreciate it if I could get some help in this matter.
Thanks,
fpa...@ao...

[Dev-C++] dynamic allocation of a class member

[<jp...@bo...>]

    Can I allocate memory for a member of a class dynamically? For
example:
=20
    class test{
            public:
            int *p;
            test(int size);
    }
=20
    test::test(int size){p =3D new int[50];}
=20
    Is it illegal?
=20
    Juliano

-----Original Message-----
From: dev...@li...
[mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf Of P.D. van
Zelst
Sent: sexta-feira, 22 de novembro de 2002 21:17
To: dev...@li...
Subject: [Dev-C++] Linux 'socket' calls...


  _____ =20

Venha para a VilaBOL!=20
O melhor lugar para voc=EA construir seu site. F=E1cil e gr=E1tis!
http://vila.bol.com.br <ttp://vila.bol.com.br/> =20
  _____ =20

Hi,
=20
=20
I'm trying to write a program which should be able to compile on Linux
using gcc (actually, g++, but still), as well as under Dev-C++ (that's
my goal). It appears mingw (I suppose?) doesn't implement 'socket()' or
any of these functions, and the only way I can develop my program at the
moment, is by writing my code in Dev-C++, then using cygwin to compile
it, and then in a command window execute the program to see if it all
works well... seems to me like this could be done simpler.... for
example, by hitting 'Compile' from within Dev-C++ :P
I hope it's somehow possible to perform these socket calls and be able
to compile the code from within the IDE (I think the ones that are
giving the most trouble are "fnctl", "ioctl", "socket", "write" etc).
Why oh why did I have to make this project cross-platform :|
=20
Anyway, I hope anyone can help me with this... or if someone could tell
me "it can't be done" or anything.
=20
Thanks in advance,
=20
=20
Paul
=20
=20

[Dev-C++] Remove me from this mailing list

[<FPa...@ao...>]

Hello everyone,
Can someone tell me how to have my name removed from this mailing list, I 
would greatly appreciate it if I could get some help in this matter.
Thanks,
fpa...@ao...

[Dev-C++] Remove name from mailing list

[<FPa...@ao...>]

Hello,
Do any one know how I can have my name removed from this mailing list?

I would greatly appreciate if someone could tell me how to have my name 
removed from the list.

Regards,
fp...@ao...

[Dev-C++] dynamic allocation of a class member

[<jp...@bo...>]

	Sorry for the last html e-mail...=20

    Can I allocate memory for a member of a class dynamically? For
example:

    class test{
            public:
            int *p;
            test(int size);
    }

    test::test(int size){p =3D new int[50];}

    Is it illegal?

    Juliano
-----Original Message-----
From: dev...@li...
[mailto:dev...@li...] On Behalf Of P.D. van
Zelst
Sent: sexta-feira, 22 de novembro de 2002 21:17
To: dev...@li...
Subject: [Dev-C++] Linux 'socket' calls...




Venha para a VilaBOL!=20
O melhor lugar para voc=EA construir seu site. F=E1cil e gr=E1tis!
http://vila.bol.com.br=20


Hi,


I'm trying to write a program which should be able to compile on Linux
using gcc (actually, g++, but still), as well as under Dev-C++ (that's
my goal). It appears mingw (I suppose?) doesn't implement 'socket()' or
any of these functions, and the only way I can develop my program at the
moment, is by writing my code in Dev-C++, then using cygwin to compile
it, and then in a command window execute the program to see if it all
works well... seems to me like this could be done simpler.... for
example, by hitting 'Compile' from within Dev-C++ :P
I hope it's somehow possible to perform these socket calls and be able
to compile the code from within the IDE (I think the ones that are
giving the most trouble are "fnctl", "ioctl", "socket", "write" etc).
Why oh why did I have to make this project cross-platform :|

Anyway, I hope anyone can help me with this... or if someone could tell
me "it can't be done" or anything.

Thanks in advance,


Paul

[Dev-C++] palm-prc-tools

[Eduardo O. A. <e_o...@ya...>]

I hope someone could guide me!

i want to use all the cygwin: prc-tools

to program palmOS on Dev-C++

how  should i configure it?



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[Dev-C++] Problem with compiler

[Sopagna K. <sk...@ho...>]

<html><div style='background-color:'><DIV>
<P>Dev C++ is one of the best compiler I've used.&nbsp; I especially like the new realease where many new libraries and features are added.&nbsp; However, I have a question and was wondering if anyone can give suggestion on how to solve a problem.&nbsp; I tried to open one program from a disk and it gave me an error.&nbsp; From this incident, I couldn't get the program to open without having a floppy disk in.&nbsp; In addition, it also does not allow me to open the compiler file menu without a disk.&nbsp; Thanks in advance!<BR></P>
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Re: [Dev-C++] Linux 'socket' calls...

[Brenden T. <br...@rc...>]

I think you need to use the winsock API.  I've never used it, but it 
appears to provide a Unix compatible TCP/IP interface.  The FAQ is at:

http://tangentsoft.net/wskfaq/

Don't forget to also check out the winsock API (there's a link in the 
FAQ but here it is anyway:

http://www.sockets.com/winsock2.htm#Docs

)

Good luck,
Brenden

P.D. van Zelst wrote:

> Hi,
>  
>  
> I'm trying to write a program which should be able to compile on Linux 
> using gcc (actually, g++, but still), as well as under Dev-C++ (that's 
> my goal). It appears mingw (I suppose?) doesn't implement 'socket()' 
> or any of these functions, and the only way I can develop my program 
> at the moment, is by writing my code in Dev-C++, then using cygwin to 
> compile it, and then in a command window execute the program to see if 
> it all works well... seems to me like this could be done simpler.... 
> for example, by hitting 'Compile' from within Dev-C++ :P
> I hope it's somehow possible to perform these socket calls and be able 
> to compile the code from within the IDE (I think the ones that are 
> giving the most trouble are "fnctl", "ioctl", "socket", "write" etc). 
> Why oh why did I have to make this project cross-platform :|
>  
> Anyway, I hope anyone can help me with this... or if someone could 
> tell me "it can't be done" or anything.
>  
> Thanks in advance,
>  
>  
> Paul
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