I've twice posted that we need a UI designer on the help wanted page, but have had only one person respond and after I replied to him I never heard back from him.
We need someone to come up with a functional and appealing user interface design. We're prepared to create custom controls to meet those design requirements.
Additional developers wouldn't hurt either, so if you're a developer and you want to join in, contact me.
As for the current status, I'm creating some basic custom controls, but I'm not putting too much effort into their visual appeal since I'm hoping we'll find a UI designer to do that. But we need something in place of the regular controls so that we can go ahead and replace existing controls and forms with custom controls. Even if, for the time being, they simply inherit the existing .NET control. Then, when we actually implement the custom look, it will be inherited by all the existing forms.
The SQL work has progressed a great deal, thanks to Debbus.
A great deal of infrastructure is in place and we're probably not too far off from an pre-alpha release. A pre-alpha release will have some basic photo management functionality, but it's going to be lacking a lot of the bells and whistles we have planned.
Stay tuned... I'll continue to add updates as things progress.
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I wouldn't take it as troll. It's a good, honest question...
Does F-Spot run in Windows? From a brief look at it, it doesn't look like it. At least there's no windows installer and as a user, I'm not real big on downloading and building apps that I'd rather just install and run. I'm sure F-Spot is great if you're running under Linux. I don't use linux as my desktop.
And you might as well ask Linus, "Why another unix?" When there were probably 30 or 40 versions that preceded his. Why another wordprocessor when there was word perfect?
There's always room to improve. I think a lot of the stuff we intend to do goes well beyond what F-Spot does. I have no idea what their development plans are. They have stuff to export images to web sites, but I don't see modules for importing images from web sites. That's definitely something we want to add.
Does F-Spot having scripting support for users to add script-based functionality? That's something else we're adding.
What about the ability to store and retrieve images to/from .ZIP, .7z and other compressed archive formats?
Does F-Spot support importing RAW format images from cameras? Support for EXIF and IPTC and other metadata tags? Does it have support for image similarity comparisons?
I can get all this functionality from a variety of tools, but I can't get it in a single tool.
This isn't to say that there's anything wrong with F-Spot or any other photo management apps. It just doesn't cover the range of functionality I'm looking for in a photo management app. So that's why yet another application.
So, basically, my answer is: For the same reason most other people write "yet another application" in whatever class they write new applications in.
Pete
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"Does F-Spot run in Windows? From a brief look at it, it doesn't look like it."
IIRC, there was a testing port for Windows. Again, since it's Mono, this requires just a dedicated developer ;-)
"They have stuff to export images to web sites, but I don't see modules for importing images from web sites. That's definitely something we want to add."
And would they really mind having it in F-Spot? ;-)
"Does F-Spot having scripting support for users to add script-based functionality? That's something else we're adding."
Same as above ;-)
"What about the ability to store and retrieve images to/from .ZIP, .7z and other compressed archive formats? "
Same as above ;-)
"Does F-Spot support importing RAW format images from cameras?"
Yes
"Support for EXIF and IPTC and other metadata tags?"
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Simply put, after switching to a new job I do not use Windows any more, but I'd love to see things you mentioned in F-Spot.
Regarding Sweep and Audacity: I'm translator of GUI, not real developer :D
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I'd just add one more point. I notice you're a developer on both Sweep and Audacity. Two completely separate audio editors. I would ask why contribute to both? Why not concentrate on making one of them do all the things you want instead of two different apps that have a very large area of overlapping functionality?
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That's all fine, and perhaps I could have chosen to join another project, but at the time I started working on DesArt, I wasn't able to find anything else that even came close to what I wanted and really, the closest thing I've found since, is Picasa, but it still has, in my mind, serious shortcomings that make it virtually unusable for me.
One of the main goals of DesArt is to be highly configurable in terms of functionality. This is provided through a plugin architecture. Sure, lots of apps have plugins, but DesArt is unusual in that just about every bit of functionality is a plugin. The main app is very bare.
Why? Because it lets the users select the components they want and build the app to meet their needs. Photoshop and Word are good examples of what I'm trying to avoid. Not that there's anything wrong with them, per se, but they have tons of functionality and the average user uses maybe 5% of that functionality. The rest is simply clutter, as far as most users are concerned.
For users that want a simple, easy to use app with minimal functionality, DesArt can be that.
For the power user who wants scripting, meta data editing support, color management, etc, DesArt can be that too.
Suffice it to say, right now, there are few freely available photo management apps that provide a great deal of functionality. If users get a choice between more than one, then they win, don't you think?
Pete
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I've twice posted that we need a UI designer on the help wanted page, but have had only one person respond and after I replied to him I never heard back from him.
We could really use a good UI designer, so if anyone is interested please contact me:
https://sourceforge.net/sendmessage.php?touser=1321622
We need someone to come up with a functional and appealing user interface design. We're prepared to create custom controls to meet those design requirements.
Additional developers wouldn't hurt either, so if you're a developer and you want to join in, contact me.
As for the current status, I'm creating some basic custom controls, but I'm not putting too much effort into their visual appeal since I'm hoping we'll find a UI designer to do that. But we need something in place of the regular controls so that we can go ahead and replace existing controls and forms with custom controls. Even if, for the time being, they simply inherit the existing .NET control. Then, when we actually implement the custom look, it will be inherited by all the existing forms.
The SQL work has progressed a great deal, thanks to Debbus.
A great deal of infrastructure is in place and we're probably not too far off from an pre-alpha release. A pre-alpha release will have some basic photo management functionality, but it's going to be lacking a lot of the bells and whistles we have planned.
Stay tuned... I'll continue to add updates as things progress.
Sorry if I sound like a troll, but why yet another application when there is F-Spot which is C#/Mono? :)
I wouldn't take it as troll. It's a good, honest question...
Does F-Spot run in Windows? From a brief look at it, it doesn't look like it. At least there's no windows installer and as a user, I'm not real big on downloading and building apps that I'd rather just install and run. I'm sure F-Spot is great if you're running under Linux. I don't use linux as my desktop.
And you might as well ask Linus, "Why another unix?" When there were probably 30 or 40 versions that preceded his. Why another wordprocessor when there was word perfect?
There's always room to improve. I think a lot of the stuff we intend to do goes well beyond what F-Spot does. I have no idea what their development plans are. They have stuff to export images to web sites, but I don't see modules for importing images from web sites. That's definitely something we want to add.
Does F-Spot having scripting support for users to add script-based functionality? That's something else we're adding.
What about the ability to store and retrieve images to/from .ZIP, .7z and other compressed archive formats?
Does F-Spot support importing RAW format images from cameras? Support for EXIF and IPTC and other metadata tags? Does it have support for image similarity comparisons?
I can get all this functionality from a variety of tools, but I can't get it in a single tool.
This isn't to say that there's anything wrong with F-Spot or any other photo management apps. It just doesn't cover the range of functionality I'm looking for in a photo management app. So that's why yet another application.
So, basically, my answer is: For the same reason most other people write "yet another application" in whatever class they write new applications in.
Pete
"Does F-Spot run in Windows? From a brief look at it, it doesn't look like it."
IIRC, there was a testing port for Windows. Again, since it's Mono, this requires just a dedicated developer ;-)
"They have stuff to export images to web sites, but I don't see modules for importing images from web sites. That's definitely something we want to add."
And would they really mind having it in F-Spot? ;-)
"Does F-Spot having scripting support for users to add script-based functionality? That's something else we're adding."
Same as above ;-)
"What about the ability to store and retrieve images to/from .ZIP, .7z and other compressed archive formats? "
Same as above ;-)
"Does F-Spot support importing RAW format images from cameras?"
Yes
"Support for EXIF and IPTC and other metadata tags?"
View, not edit
Simply put, after switching to a new job I do not use Windows any more, but I'd love to see things you mentioned in F-Spot.
Regarding Sweep and Audacity: I'm translator of GUI, not real developer :D
I'd just add one more point. I notice you're a developer on both Sweep and Audacity. Two completely separate audio editors. I would ask why contribute to both? Why not concentrate on making one of them do all the things you want instead of two different apps that have a very large area of overlapping functionality?
That's all fine, and perhaps I could have chosen to join another project, but at the time I started working on DesArt, I wasn't able to find anything else that even came close to what I wanted and really, the closest thing I've found since, is Picasa, but it still has, in my mind, serious shortcomings that make it virtually unusable for me.
One of the main goals of DesArt is to be highly configurable in terms of functionality. This is provided through a plugin architecture. Sure, lots of apps have plugins, but DesArt is unusual in that just about every bit of functionality is a plugin. The main app is very bare.
Why? Because it lets the users select the components they want and build the app to meet their needs. Photoshop and Word are good examples of what I'm trying to avoid. Not that there's anything wrong with them, per se, but they have tons of functionality and the average user uses maybe 5% of that functionality. The rest is simply clutter, as far as most users are concerned.
For users that want a simple, easy to use app with minimal functionality, DesArt can be that.
For the power user who wants scripting, meta data editing support, color management, etc, DesArt can be that too.
Suffice it to say, right now, there are few freely available photo management apps that provide a great deal of functionality. If users get a choice between more than one, then they win, don't you think?
Pete