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From: Paul H. <p.h...@ds...> - 2003-11-13 20:56:59
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Hi, =20 So it appears Eclipse is our model rather than our base. That=92s fine with me. =20 I also have some points for thought, =20 * We need to come up with an interface model we are nearly happy with (i.e. it just needs minor adjustments) * We need to decide who is doing what in terms of components, forms etc * We need to create a list of components that need doing and then a basic specification for them, then assign them (see above) * We need to decide which code editor, if any, we will be using. * We need to specify or outline our specification of what this software will do and how it will function. =20 Regards, Paul =20 -----Original Message----- From: dav...@li... [mailto:dav...@li...] On Behalf Of Elio Cuevas G=F3mez Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:29 PM To: dav...@li... Subject: Re: [davinci-develop] Eclipse =20 Taj Morton escribi=F3: Hi Paul, Elio,=20 Hi. Just taken a look at the eclipse project in detail. It looks good, but I have several reservations.=20 * It is written in Java. What is the Java experience within the group?=20 Not me...I don't really have any. :D=20 I have a little, well, i have only made "Hello World" style applications. * Plugins to the eclipse engine appear to have to be written in Java (correct me if i am wrong)=20 They are. * Form design may not be present. This would mean the eclipse project would have to be integrated into our Delphi Project.=20 If it's posible, that wouldn't be easy at all. =20 Not sure...haven't downloaded it yet...I probably will today (hopefully).=20 But about the whole Eclipse thing...I donno... I'm not a huge fan of Java (I still don't have the runtime :(=3D)...and downloading it doesn't sound like too much fun. However, it would make it cross-platform (*really* cross playform :D). But then...what would be the reason for the DaVinci project?=20 Would be useless, maybe. And about the cross platform, Java isn't that cross platform. The Win32 java runtime seems to be more advanced than the Linux one. And as someone said, "If you are going to write a desktop application for Windows, why don't make it in the native Win32 interface?". Java apps are really slow compared to native Win32 or Linux apps, so there's a performance cut...also, Java doesn't allow us to integrate with Win32 very well...donno. Maybe...=20 And they are huge memory and proccesor consuming. --Taj=20 This was only a little sugestion. I don't really like Java (it tends to die soon). A friend has tried to convince me to switch to Java, but i think this would be a worthless effort. Well, that's what i think. Quoting form the "Oficial" DaVinci page: However, it will be written in such a way so that it is possible to exchange RapidQ support with another programming language. Since DaVinci is written this way, you could use it as the IDE in your programming language. That sounds a lot like the Eclipse idea, so the Eclipse project would be one of our "competitors". Software must have competition, even free software. Good luck. --Elio. |
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From: <el...@ya...> - 2003-11-13 20:28:51
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Taj Morton escribió:
> Hi Paul, Elio,
Hi.
>
>> Just taken a look at the eclipse project in detail. It looks good,
>> but I have several reservations.
>>
>> * It is written in Java. What is the Java experience within the group?
>>
> Not me...I don't really have any. :D
I have a little, well, i have only made "Hello World" style applications.
>
>
>> * Plugins to the eclipse engine appear to have to be written in Java
>> (correct me if i am wrong)
>
They are.
>>
>> * Form design may not be present. This would mean the eclipse project
>> would have to be integrated into our Delphi Project.
>
If it's posible, that wouldn't be easy at all.
>>
> Not sure...haven't downloaded it yet...I probably will today (hopefully).
>
> But about the whole Eclipse thing...I donno... I'm not a huge fan of
> Java (I still don't have the runtime :(=)...and downloading it doesn't
> sound like too much fun. However, it would make it cross-platform
> (*really* cross playform :D). But then...what would be the reason for
> the DaVinci project?
Would be useless, maybe.
And about the cross platform, Java isn't that cross platform. The Win32
java runtime seems to be more advanced than the Linux one.
And as someone said, "If you are going to write a desktop application
for Windows, why don't make it in the native Win32 interface?".
>
> Java apps are really slow compared to native Win32 or Linux apps, so
> there's a performance cut...also, Java doesn't allow us to integrate
> with Win32 very well...donno. Maybe...
And they are huge memory and proccesor consuming.
>
>
> --Taj
This was only a little sugestion. I don't really like Java (it tends to
die soon). A friend has tried to convince me to switch to Java, but i
think this would be a worthless effort. Well, that's what i think.
Quoting form the "Oficial" DaVinci page:
However, it will be written in such a way so that it is possible to
exchange RapidQ support with another programming language. Since
DaVinci is written this way, you could use it as the IDE in your
programming language.
That sounds a lot like the Eclipse idea, so the Eclipse project would be
one of our "competitors". Software must have competition, even free
software.
Good luck.
--Elio.
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From: Taj M. <ta...@wi...> - 2003-11-13 15:27:31
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Hi Paul, Elio, >Just taken a look at the eclipse project in detail. It looks good, but I have >several reservations. > >* It is written in Java. What is the Java experience within the group? > Not me...I don't really have any. :D >* Plugins to the eclipse engine appear to have to be written in Java (correct >me if i am wrong) >* Form design may not be present. This would mean the eclipse project would >have to be integrated into our Delphi Project. > Not sure...haven't downloaded it yet...I probably will today (hopefully). But about the whole Eclipse thing...I donno... I'm not a huge fan of Java (I still don't have the runtime :(=)...and downloading it doesn't sound like too much fun. However, it would make it cross-platform (*really* cross playform :D). But then...what would be the reason for the DaVinci project? Java apps are really slow compared to native Win32 or Linux apps, so there's a performance cut...also, Java doesn't allow us to integrate with Win32 very well...donno. Maybe... --Taj |
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From: paul h. <p.h...@ds...> - 2003-11-13 14:23:12
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Hmm, Just taken a look at the eclipse project in detail. It looks good, but I = have=20 several reservations. * It is written in Java. What is the Java experience within the group? * Plugins to the eclipse engine appear to have to be written in Java (cor= rect=20 me if i am wrong) * Form design may not be present. This would mean the eclipse project wou= ld=20 have to be integrated into our Delphi Project. If i am wrong on any points please correct me. Paul Quoting Elio Cuevas G=F3mez <el...@ya...>: > Hi, just find another interesting link. > http://www.eclipse.org/ >=20 > It's about a generic IDE for anything. Just check it out. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: ApacheCon 2003, > 16-19 November in Las Vegas. Learn firsthand the latest > developments in Apache, PHP, Perl, XML, Java, MySQL, > WebDAV, and more! http://www.apachecon.com/ > _______________________________________________ > davinci-develop mailing list > dav...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/davinci-develop >=20 --=20 |
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From: paul h. <p.h...@ds...> - 2003-11-13 10:09:43
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Hi, Just looked at the eclipse thing... need to read it in detail, but it loo= ks=20 like it could be useful. We would just have to customise it to the BASIC=20 language that we are programming for! Paul Quoting Elio Cuevas G=F3mez <el...@ya...>: > Hi, just find another interesting link. > http://www.eclipse.org/ >=20 > It's about a generic IDE for anything. Just check it out. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: ApacheCon 2003, > 16-19 November in Las Vegas. Learn firsthand the latest > developments in Apache, PHP, Perl, XML, Java, MySQL, > WebDAV, and more! http://www.apachecon.com/ > _______________________________________________ > davinci-develop mailing list > dav...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/davinci-develop >=20 --=20 |
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From: <el...@ya...> - 2003-11-12 22:57:23
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Hi, just find another interesting link. http://www.eclipse.org/ It's about a generic IDE for anything. Just check it out. |
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From: <el...@ya...> - 2003-11-12 21:33:23
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Taj Morton escribió: > Hi Paul, > >> * I do have OpenOffice > > > Sounds good! I don't oh. I had forgot to install it since i don't use it oftenly. > > >> * CMS is a good idea... means we can just slap in the text and that >> the formatting and style is consistent throughout > > > OK. I'll work on a Typo3 (http://www.typo3.com) template...unless > anyone else suggests another CMS. Typo3 is OK to me. > >> * I agree with unit naming... They must be clear! > > > OK. How do my suggestions sound...did you see them? They are OK, now, what about units not implementing forms (e.g. RapidQ.pas). > >> * A link to this Borland coding standard would be nice :D > > > OK, OK. I was going to keep you in the dark and then correct you :P. > J/K. Here you go: > http://community.borland.com/soapbox/techvoyage/article/1,1795,10280,00.html > > Watch out for wrap! ;) > >> * I cant get Jvcl to install either... We need to look at pros and >> cons of both Scyntilla and SynEdit > > > OK. Someone stand up on the soap-box please. Hummm, except for the app Taj sent, i haven't tried Scyntilla at all, it looks nice, but the important thing here is what implementation problems will we have by using the one or the other. > >> * Not had much experience of MDI... so cant make informed decision. I >> am happy to learn what ever you guys want > > > Elio and I were talking about having several different interfaces, > like KDevelop. We could have a Delphi style (no MDI) and a Visual > Studio interface (fake MDI). > Fake MDI: > Switching between no MDI and MDI would be a pain, so Elio and I were > thinking about faking the MDI, eg not having a parent window, but > making the "client" windows hover over the main window. What do you thnk? That would be very fun to do, but some people may get crazy with it. > >> * Any other questions? > > > Hmmm...I had one. Oh well. I'll think if it (old age, you know :P ). > --Taj > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: ApacheCon 2003, > 16-19 November in Las Vegas. Learn firsthand the latest > developments in Apache, PHP, Perl, XML, Java, MySQL, > WebDAV, and more! http://www.apachecon.com/ > _______________________________________________ > davinci-develop mailing list > dav...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/davinci-develop > |
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From: Taj M. <ta...@wi...> - 2003-11-12 20:41:38
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Hi Paul, > * I do have OpenOffice Sounds good! > * CMS is a good idea... means we can just slap in the text and that > the formatting and style is consistent throughout OK. I'll work on a Typo3 (http://www.typo3.com) template...unless anyone else suggests another CMS. > * I agree with unit naming... They must be clear! OK. How do my suggestions sound...did you see them? > * A link to this Borland coding standard would be nice :D OK, OK. I was going to keep you in the dark and then correct you :P. J/K. Here you go: http://community.borland.com/soapbox/techvoyage/article/1,1795,10280,00.html Watch out for wrap! > * I cant get Jvcl to install either... We need to look at pros and > cons of both Scyntilla and SynEdit OK. Someone stand up on the soap-box please. > * Not had much experience of MDI... so cant make informed decision. I > am happy to learn what ever you guys want Elio and I were talking about having several different interfaces, like KDevelop. We could have a Delphi style (no MDI) and a Visual Studio interface (fake MDI). Fake MDI: Switching between no MDI and MDI would be a pain, so Elio and I were thinking about faking the MDI, eg not having a parent window, but making the "client" windows hover over the main window. What do you thnk? > * Any other questions? Hmmm...I had one. Oh well. I'll think if it (old age, you know :P ). --Taj |
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From: Paul H. <p.h...@ds...> - 2003-11-12 19:44:57
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Hi all, After getting my subscription to this list sorted (it hadnt subscribed = the first time) I have just reviewed the archives. * I do have OpenOffice * CMS is a good idea... means we can just slap in the text and that the = formatting and style is consistent throughout * I agree with unit naming... They must be clear! * A link to this Borland coding standard would be nice :D * I cant get Jvcl to install either... We need to look at pros and cons = of both Scyntilla and SynEdit * Not had much experience of MDI... so cant make informed decision. I am = happy to learn what ever you guys want * Any other questions? Paul |
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From: Taj M. <ta...@wi...> - 2003-11-09 03:14:14
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Hi Elio, >> Either HTML, text, or from a Word Processor (OpenOffice or MS Word). > > > Actually i preffer writing the code MySelf and MS Word sucks! I prefer HTML...but if we are going to use a CMS (see below), then maybe text or OpenOffice would be bet. I agree with you about MS Word ;)...except compatibility :(...Oh well, maybe some day. Paul: Do you have OpenOffice? > Are we going to use a CMS? Brian has suggested Typo3. He's using it for his site (http://www.briancbecker.com) and for the RQ.NET site (http://rapidqnet.sf.net/site). I can get you access to the RQ backend so you can check it out if you want. Email me for a username and password. :D > I think that a single module for all components could result better, > that way we can unify all as one. OK. Sounds good to me. -- Taj geek (noun): Etymology: probably from English dialect geek, geck fool, from Low German geck, from Middle Low German 1 : a carnival performer often billed as a wild man whose act usually includes biting the head off a live chicken or snake 2 : a person often of an intellectual bent who is disapproved of. --Merriam-Webster Dictionary, 11th Edition |
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From: <el...@ya...> - 2003-11-09 02:20:05
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Hi >> OK, what's the format of the files? > > > Either HTML, text, or from a Word Processor (OpenOffice or MS Word). Actually i preffer writing the code MySelf and MS Word sucks! Are we going to use a CMS? >> * What CVS modules we'll be using? > > > Hmmm...I was thinking: > davinci <for code> > components <for our components> > docs <for documentation> > > Or maybe we should have seperate modules for each component... I think that a single module for all components could result better, that way we can unify all as one. > >> * Etc... > > > Paul? > |
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From: Taj M. <ta...@wi...> - 2003-11-08 03:36:32
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Hi Elio. >> >> Welcome to the DaVinci project! >> Here's my list of needs to be done before we can begin coding (sigh): >> * Come up with the interface. My example Delphi interface is here: >> http://www.wildgardenseed.com/Taj/davinci/DaVinci.zip > > > Is the same you sent last time? The one that looks a little like Delphi? Yes...just in case you lost the link. :D >> >> Please post comments! > > > Well, i dunno, i was thinkinmg on a selectable user interface (like > KDevelop). > But i feel comfortable with the Delphi like IDE. I'm also OK with > BASIC-IDE like interface but i really don't want to use MDI. A selectable interface sounds good to me. I kind of agree about MDI, as you can eaisly loose a document in the windows! >> >> * Decide on the code editor (SynEdit, Scintilla, others?) > > > I'm having problems installing Jedi-VCL, Scintilla control wraper uses > them but documentation says that it can be used without jvcl > sacrificing some features, if we aren't going to use these features > then let's go and use Scintilla. > I'm not sure what features are those, but if we cand avoid them that > would be the best since jvcl isn't being ported to Lazarus and i dunno > if they will ever be. Sounds good. Not sure what the features are either...I'll have to check. We probably should try and stay as close to the native VCL as we can. >> >> * Write content for the webpage > > OK, what's the format of the files? Either HTML, text, or from a Word Processor (OpenOffice or MS Word). >> * Some other things that I've forgotten. Please post them! > > Like what's going to happen to BASIC -IDE? Maybe post a help wanted > requesting a new admin to whoever wants to take the responsability of > maintaining the code (a [that] poor guy). I don't know. I was thinking of posting something that said "This project has been abandoned and is being rewritten from scratch [link to davinci]here[/link]. Or, maybe we could hand it over to someone else, but who would really want to maintain it? > * What's going to be the coding style? I say we follow the Borland Delphi coding style. > * What files are going to be created? (Please no files named Unit1.pas) For form units, I prefer: <FormName>Unit For example: MainUnit. And forms have then name <Name>Form. I agree about the Unit1! ;). > * What CVS modules we'll be using? Hmmm...I was thinking: davinci <for code> components <for our components> docs <for documentation> Or maybe we should have seperate modules for each component... > * Etc... Paul? -- Taj geek (noun): Etymology: probably from English dialect geek, geck fool, from Low German geck, from Middle Low German 1 : a carnival performer often billed as a wild man whose act usually includes biting the head off a live chicken or snake 2 : a person often of an intellectual bent who is disapproved of. --Merriam-Webster Dictionary, 11th Edition |
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From: <el...@ya...> - 2003-11-08 00:46:44
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Taj Morton escribió: > Hello Everyone! Hello mr. Morton > > Welcome to the DaVinci project! > Here's my list of needs to be done before we can begin coding (sigh): > * Come up with the interface. My example Delphi interface is here: > http://www.wildgardenseed.com/Taj/davinci/DaVinci.zip Is the same you sent last time? The one that looks a little like Delphi? > > Please post comments! Well, i dunno, i was thinkinmg on a selectable user interface (like KDevelop). But i feel comfortable with the Delphi like IDE. I'm also OK with BASIC-IDE like interface but i really don't want to use MDI. > > * Decide on the code editor (SynEdit, Scintilla, others?) I'm having problems installing Jedi-VCL, Scintilla control wraper uses them but documentation says that it can be used without jvcl sacrificing some features, if we aren't going to use these features then let's go and use Scintilla. I'm not sure what features are those, but if we cand avoid them that would be the best since jvcl isn't being ported to Lazarus and i dunno if they will ever be. > > * Write content for the webpage OK, what's the format of the files? > > * Some other things that I've forgotten. Please post them! > Like what's going to happen to BASIC -IDE? Maybe post a help wanted requesting a new admin to whoever wants to take the responsability of maintaining the code (a poor guy). * What's going to be the coding style? * What files are going to be created? (Please no files named Unit1.pas) * What CVS modules we'll be using? * Etc... |
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From: Taj M. <ta...@wi...> - 2003-11-07 23:36:35
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Hello Everyone! Welcome to the DaVinci project! Here's my list of needs to be done before we can begin coding (sigh): * Come up with the interface. My example Delphi interface is here: http://www.wildgardenseed.com/Taj/davinci/DaVinci.zip Please post comments! * Decide on the code editor (SynEdit, Scintilla, others?) * Write content for the webpage * Some other things that I've forgotten. Please post them! -- Taj Etymology: probably from English dialect geek, geck fool, from Low German geck, from Middle Low German 1 : a carnival performer often billed as a wild man whose act usually includes biting the head off a live chicken or snake 2 : a person often of an intellectual bent who is disapproved of. --Merriam-Webster Dictionary, 11th Edition |
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