dancer-users

Re: (du) Administrativa/rant [crosspost]

[Mikael K. <mi...@sc...>]

On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Tero Jänkä wrote:

> You are guessing quite right. Also, I have been having little resource
> problems so that I haven't been able to run and test Dancer full time,
> and just recently my own computer finally broke and I haven't been able

If you need a shell or anything, i can provide one: I have
a linux machine on a 10mbs. 
And I will help, if there just appears something to be done which 
lies in my field of skill.

> My apologies for the absolutely worst maintenance for any project that
> anyone has ever seen.

Apology not granted. No harm done :-)

It's just a matter of getting the wheels running or
something.

Re: (du) Administrativa/rant [crosspost]

[ray j. <ra...@go...>]

	Yes, Yes, absolutely. Dancer means a lot to me. I run a tiny
little chat server, populated by friends who have been together for the
most part, more than 5 years.There is no reason to have such a fine
project wither away. We all are busy, we simply need someone who has the
interest in this, and that person will come along. Maybe not today, but it
will happen. Premature abandonment of the project is not a "good thing".
Don't leave 5 minutes before the miracle.

Ray R. Jones
ad...@go...
HTTP://gordo.penguinpowered.com
Ray's Linux gordo.penguinpowered.com 2.3.99-pre9 

On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, [ISO-8859-1] Tero Jänkä wrote:

> hello everyone,
> 
> On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Daniel Stenberg wrote:
> 
> > Time has moved on, and as Tero has been quite busy without having
> > had the opportunity to take Dancer as much forward as he would've
> > wanted (I'm guessing here, I haven't talked to Tero lately) the
> > development has gone slow and silent.
> 
> You are guessing quite right. Also, I have been having little resource
> problems so that I haven't been able to run and test Dancer full time,
> and just recently my own computer finally broke and I haven't been able
> to access my HD with the latest source for a while. I should have set up
> the CVS up at sourceforge earlier, but I guess we could still do it with
> the current, latest sources.
> 
> > I think it is sad that there doesn't seem to be anyone that feels
> > strong enough for this to really take charge and drive the
> > development forward. I'm sure there are fixes to be done, bugs to be
> > removed and features to be added.
> 
> I completely share your feelings Daniel. But I'm not so sure if it is
> that nobody is interested in the development at all, rather the lack
> of coordination, ever since I became the maintainer.
> 
> > I'm saying this just to make you all aware of this. If nothing
> > happens within this year or so, I intend to throw in my towel and
> > shut down this mailing list and unsubscribe myself from the
> > supposedly-new ones at sourceforge. There's no point in keeping a
> > mailing list merely for the purpose of letting a few spammers annoy
> > us every few months.
> 
> Now we can't allow that to happen.
> 
> My apologies for the absolutely worst maintenance for any project that
> anyone has ever seen.
> 
>  -tero
> 
> - -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --*-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> This is the Dancer mailing list for users of the Dancer irc bot. Send mail
> to <maj...@li...> with the word "help" as the only text for help
> regarding this mailing list and others.
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> 

Re: (du) Administrativa/rant [crosspost]

[<te...@ut...>]

hello everyone,

On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Daniel Stenberg wrote:

> Time has moved on, and as Tero has been quite busy without having
> had the opportunity to take Dancer as much forward as he would've
> wanted (I'm guessing here, I haven't talked to Tero lately) the
> development has gone slow and silent.

You are guessing quite right. Also, I have been having little resource
problems so that I haven't been able to run and test Dancer full time,
and just recently my own computer finally broke and I haven't been able
to access my HD with the latest source for a while. I should have set up
the CVS up at sourceforge earlier, but I guess we could still do it with
the current, latest sources.

> I think it is sad that there doesn't seem to be anyone that feels
> strong enough for this to really take charge and drive the
> development forward. I'm sure there are fixes to be done, bugs to be
> removed and features to be added.

I completely share your feelings Daniel. But I'm not so sure if it is
that nobody is interested in the development at all, rather the lack
of coordination, ever since I became the maintainer.

> I'm saying this just to make you all aware of this. If nothing
> happens within this year or so, I intend to throw in my towel and
> shut down this mailing list and unsubscribe myself from the
> supposedly-new ones at sourceforge. There's no point in keeping a
> mailing list merely for the purpose of letting a few spammers annoy
> us every few months.

Now we can't allow that to happen.

My apologies for the absolutely worst maintenance for any project that
anyone has ever seen.

 -tero

(du) Administrativa/rant [crosspost]

[Daniel S. <da...@ha...>]

Hey ho

The thing that is known as Dancer the bot, was created from the mid 90's and
a few years ahead. Bjorn Reese and I spent much of our days hanging on IRC
and we wanted good protection for our favourite channels, while it at the
same time offered a thrilling programming excersise.

I can't remember when anylonger, but I took over as maintainer at some stage
when Dancer was pretty far developed and I held its hand for a year or two
until I found myself not that interested in doing that anymore. I stopped
running IRC bots completely and then developing bots doesn't seem like the
most interesting task to waste your spare time on.

Tero Jänkä who previously had been sending me source contributions took over
as captain of the Dancer ship.

Time has moved on, and as Tero has been quite busy without having had the
opportunity to take Dancer as much forward as he would've wanted (I'm
guessing here, I haven't talked to Tero lately) the development has gone slow
and silent.

The main Dancer mailing list still probably has over a hundred subscribers
(yet there are mostly spams that remind us the list is still around) and I
know that people are still running Dancer bots out there (I can't guess the
numbers though, I have absolutely no idea).

I think it is sad that there doesn't seem to be anyone that feels strong
enough for this to really take charge and drive the development forward. I'm
sure there are fixes to be done, bugs to be removed and features to be added.

I'm saying this just to make you all aware of this. If nothing happens within
this year or so, I intend to throw in my towel and shut down this mailing
list and unsubscribe myself from the supposedly-new ones at sourceforge.
There's no point in keeping a mailing list merely for the purpose of letting
a few spammers annoy us every few months.

-- 
      Daniel Stenberg - http://daniel.haxx.se - +46-705-44 31 77
   ech`echo xiun|tr nu oc|sed 'sx\([sx]\)\([xoi]\)xo un\2\1 is xg'`ol

Re: (du) help

[Justin|Crow <ju...@cs...>]

Heya :)

Changing the couple of lines (60 and 61) below in dancer.h compiles fine
here on Redhat Linux.  IIRC it's the only source changes you need to make
for extended nicknames, not that I've ever had to do it myself. :)

/* Max length of nicknames. Some IRC networks (like Dalnet) use
   wider nicknames. Change here if you run on one of those nets */
#define NICKLEN 15
#define NICKLENTXT "15" /*QUOTE(NICKLEN)*/

See you at the Years some time ;)

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On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, Guyver wrote:

> hi guys, 
>             i have a dancer 4.15b6 he is running on a Irc network
> where the IRCD is 15 NickLen i hae changed the dancer.c
> or dancer.h which ever one it was but now the silly thing wont 'make' can you help please ?
> 
> [-= Sy =-]
> 

(du) help

[Guyver <Gu...@ma...>]

hi guys,=20
            i have a dancer 4.15b6 he is running on a Irc network
where the IRCD is 15 NickLen i hae changed the dancer.c
or dancer.h which ever one it was but now the silly thing wont 'make' =
can you help please ?

[-=3D Sy =3D-]

(du) RE: Important: *NEW* mailing lists

[<te...@ut...>]

On Thu, 3 Feb 2000, Ulrik Lunddahl wrote:

> I don't think the two new lists is up and running yet.

They are indeed running up and running. If you still have trouble
joining the list(s), just ask me and I'll add you manually.

About Dancer documentation; it has been said here before that the
documentation for Dancer is 'slightly' outdated, but on the other
hand Dancer hasn't really had any major new features for some
time, so the documentation that comes with Dancer still describes
most of it quite well.

> I have a bot up and running on undernet, and generaly it works fine,
> but for some reason i can't get it to enforce the channel modes, nor
> the channel -l parameter, and especially not the channel key.

To "enforce" channel modes see MODE, LIMIT and KEY settings.
However, MODE and LIMIT allow CHANOP users to change the (tnsimp)
mode(s) and the limit, as operators are assumed to have the
knowledge on how to handle these. KEY on the other hand requires
level LEVELBOT, ie. LEVELBOT and above users are able to change
the channel key even when KEY is set on.

> If i set the key, the bot can't get in the channel...:-)

Unless you set the CKEY setting for Dancer to that of the channel-key,
Dancer wont get in the channel after relaunch. It's not enough to
simply set the key for the channel, you have to set the CKEY setting.

Try "/msg dancer set" for a list of settings and then
"/msg dancer help set <setting>" to get help for a
particular setting online.
(replace dancer with the nick of your bot:)

 -tero

Re: [Dancer-users] does tiz work?

[Daniel S. <Dan...@ha...>]

On Tue, 1 Feb 2000, Tero Jänkä wrote:

> Great. Hmm, whatabout the prefix? Is it too long?

Personally, I dislike subject prefixes. There are many other ways to detect
that the mail is from the dancer-user mailing list.

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   Daniel Stenberg - http://www.contactor.se/~dast - +46-705-44 31 77
   ech`echo xiun|tr nu oc|sed 'sx\([sx]\)\([xoi]\)xo un\2\1 is xg'`ol

Re: [Dancer-users] does tiz work?

[<te...@ut...>]

On Tue, 1 Feb 2000, Daniel Stenberg wrote:

> Tero Jänkä wrote:
> 
> > Are the list options set up properly?
> 
> It seems to work ok! ;-)

Great. Hmm, whatabout the prefix? Is it too long?

 -tero

Re: [Dancer-users] does tiz work?

[Daniel S. <Dan...@ha...>]

Tero Jänkä wrote:

> Are the list options set up properly?

It seems to work ok! ;-)

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   Daniel Stenberg - http://www.contactor.se/~dast - +46-705-44 31 77
   ech`echo xiun|tr nu oc|sed 'sx\([sx]\)\([xoi]\)xo un\2\1 is xg'`ol

[Dancer-users] does tiz work?

[<te...@ut...>]

"Hello world!"

Are the list options set up properly?
I made a quick check through and didn't find anything that
needed altering. But maybe you have more experience.

 -tero