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From: Lane L. <ll...@mi...> - 2000-06-08 23:30:27
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I hope it won't be too long until the dust settles and we can see where these two programs stand. Since I was going to try the C version, I renamed my .cscmail directory to .cscmailold to get it out of the way. I thought that .pronto had taken over its role. Wrong! After fetching the mail, nothing showed up in the message list. When I gave .cscmail its old name back, I =think= I got all my messages back. After fetching from CVS, I first noticed that INSTALL was empty. Then configure wouldn't run, and I decided I should read changelog. I finally found the message about autogen.sh and got started. But the process bombed with: checking for gnome-print >= 0.13... not found configure: error: gnome-print 0.13 or later is required to compile CSCMail. That turned out to not be a simple download and install, so I've decided to wait for the new Helix-Gnome CD's to get here to try again. -- Lane ____ Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA ---- Using Linux to get where I want to go... |
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From: Michael C. <mi...@et...> - 2000-06-09 00:53:12
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On 06 Jun 2000 07:04:14 EDT, Lane Lester said: > I hope it won't be too long until the dust settles and we can see where > these > two programs stand. It's pretty clear where they stand... CSCmail-perl is no more.Count will continue to support its users but the focus is on C. Pronto! WAS the cscmail Perl project. Pronto! will have a db backend. CSCMail will have an indexed mbox. Choose what you will. > Since I was going to try the C version, I renamed my .cscmail directory to > .cscmailold to get it out of the way. I thought that .pronto had taken over > its role. Wrong! After fetching the mail, nothing showed up in the message > list. When I gave .cscmail its old name back, I =think= I got all my > messages > back. Something you did was wrong. .cscmail should have been moved to .pronto and .cscmailrc to .prontorc. If you did that then there would be no thinking that .pronto had taken it over. You would of manually MADE it take it over yourself. Did you checkout pronto from cvs or cscmail? Also, as Count has stated, the C version is not in a useful form yet. > After fetching from CVS, I first noticed that INSTALL was empty. Then > configure wouldn't run, and I decided I should read changelog. I finally > found the message about autogen.sh and got started. But the process bombed > with: > checking for gnome-print >= 0.13... not found > configure: error: gnome-print 0.13 or later is required to compile CSCMail. Before running configure did you run autogen.sh? Another thing... programs from cvs are not guaranteed to run/compile. > That turned out to not be a simple download and install, so I've decided to > wait for the new Helix-Gnome CD's to get here to try again. > -- > Lane > ____ > Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA > ---- > Using Linux to get where I want to go... > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.cscmail.net > csc...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/cscmail-users > > Cliffom -- Michael Clifford http://www.eternal-bliss.com |
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From: Lane L. <ll...@mi...> - 2000-06-09 02:43:50
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Michael Clifford said: MC> Something you did was wrong. .cscmail should have been moved to .pronto and MC> .cscmailrc to .prontorc. If you did that then there would be no thinking that MC> .pronto had taken it over. You would of manually MADE it take it over yourself. MC> Did you checkout pronto from cvs or cscmail? CVS. MC> Also, as Count has stated, the C version is not in a useful form yet. And Pronto (as well as Steve's updated version of Perl-CSCMail... yes, it still exists) has the bad behavior of leaving its prontosendrunning or cscmailsendrunning file on my system. I know I'm the only one in the world who is seeing this happen, but I don't intend to watch it any longer if there's no prospect of it being fixed. I'm back to using Netscape or even my Win98 client until I can find something that works. >> After fetching from CVS, I first noticed that INSTALL was empty. Then >> configure wouldn't run, and I decided I should read changelog. I finally >> found the message about autogen.sh and got started. But the process bombed >> with: >> checking for gnome-print >= 0.13... not found >> configure: error: gnome-print 0.13 or later is required to compile CSCMail. MC> Before running configure did you run autogen.sh? Not the first time, but after Steve suggested it, I did so and got the same result. MC> Another thing... programs from cvs are not guaranteed to run/compile. Thank you for telling me something I didn't know. <g> Lane ---- Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA ---- |
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From: Count Z. <cou...@cy...> - 2000-06-09 11:35:46
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Michael Clifford was overheared mumbling something about this on 08 Jun 2000 17:53:47 PDT > It's pretty clear where they stand... CSCmail-perl is no more.Count will > continue to support its users but the focus is on C. Pronto! WAS the cscmail > Perl project. Pronto! will have a db backend. CSCMail will have an indexed > mbox. Choose what you will. FUD... Mike, I often think that you were the influence on Muhri that caused him to form Pronto! as it is just this sort of FUD talk that lead to the split. CSCMail Perl is still in active maintenence. No I am not adding new features. But I am fixing bugs and will be releasing a new version soon. Does that sound Dead to you? Thats like saying Enlightenment .16 is dead, because Raster and Mandrake are focusing on EFM. This is total bullshit. Get your facts straight before you post to the list. Pronto! is a code fork. While I wish Muhri well, Pronto! is no longer CSCMail. For better or for worse, it is a new project. > Also, as Count has stated, the C version is not in a useful form yet. This is true... > Another thing... programs from cvs are not guaranteed to run/compile. Actually, unless stated otherwise in the ChangeLog, I never commit anything to CVS that DOESN"T compile and run. But, as a general rule, no, CVS is not guaranteed to compile... I have only once committed non-compiling code to CVS though, and I try very hard to avoid that. Although it doesn't do much, the code in CVS DOES compile and run... -Count Zero |
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From: Warren D. <zzd...@wi...> - 2000-06-09 13:03:29
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On 09 Jun 2000 07:30:10 CDT, Count Zero said: > But I am fixing bugs and will be releasing a new version soon. Does > that sound > Dead to you? Hmmm. Count, that's not what I recall you telling us in our little chat. You told us it was dead, or at least that's what I remember (anyone with some logs from about a week ago?) Thanks, -shank > > -Count Zero > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.cscmail.net > csc...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/cscmail-users > > |
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From: <fc...@no...> - 2000-06-09 13:19:59
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hi stop this thread please... this is nothing for -users, as it affects only -developers... greetz Flavio On 09 Jun 2000 12:59:47 EDT, Warren Dukes said: > On 09 Jun 2000 07:30:10 CDT, Count Zero said: > > > But I am fixing bugs and will be releasing a new version soon. > > Does > > that sound > > Dead to you? > > Hmmm. Count, that's not what I recall you telling us in our little > chat. > You told us it was > dead, or at least that's what I remember (anyone with some logs from > about a week ago?) > > Thanks, > -shank > > > > > -Count Zero > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.cscmail.net > > csc...@li... > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/cscmail-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.cscmail.net > csc...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/cscmail-users > > -- .-=: http://no-way.org :=-. |
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From: Steven K. <st...@vo...> - 2000-06-09 13:34:00
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On 09 Jun 2000 12:59:47 EDT, Warren Dukes said: > On 09 Jun 2000 07:30:10 CDT, Count Zero said: > > > But I am fixing bugs and will be releasing a new version soon. > > Does > > that sound > > Dead to you? > > Hmmm. Count, that's not what I recall you telling us in our little > chat. > You told us it was > dead, or at least that's what I remember (anyone with some logs from > about a week ago?) > > Thanks, > -shank > Did you read my big long post regarding the code fork? I think I have made my position on this quite clear. To be honest, prior to the code fork, I had allowed Muhri to be in charge of the updates/upgrades to 1.7.x, but since he left the team, I have taken over that job. I have never said the CSCMail was dead. I have never hinted that I would not support users of CSCMail. I HAVE said that I am no longer adding new features to the perl version. (Just as no one is adding new features to Enlightenment .16, or Linux Kernel 2.2.x etc) I am sorry if some people seem to think that a rewrite means that the old version is dead. Fact is, the current release of CSCMail is 1.6.1... This is the ONLY current stable release of CSCMail. I support it fully. There are TWO development releases of CSCMail, 1.7.x and 1.9.x 1.7.x is in feature freeze pending release of 1.8.0 1.9.x is in active development (ie: new features being added, etc) There would have been no issues at all regarding any of this if certain sour grapes had not started spouting their mouths of bemoaning the "death" of CSCMail. Just because they didn't like the direction I chose to take the codebase... There is no death, just the normal stable-version -> development-version -> stable-version code cycle. What does it matter to anyone that CSCMail 2.0.0 is in C versus perl? That means nothing. CSCMail 2.0.0 is not RELEASED yet. So any speculation about it is unfounded. The current release of CSCMail is 1.6.1, and work is proceeding on 1.8.0 (1.7.x is in feature freeze) That is all that is "official" about CSCMail. I have made public my goals for the future. These goals MAY change... They may not. Who knows? they are goals. Anyway, this has all wasted too much of my time, and kept me from focusing on the important things, such as coding a damn good e-mail client. I declare this thread dead. CSCMail is alive. Any speculations on its death are pointless. There is no "cscmail-perl" and "cscmail-c" as though they where two different animals. There is ONLY CSCMail. share and enjoy -Count Zero |
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From: Count Z. <cou...@cy...> - 2000-06-09 11:21:27
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Lane Lester was overheared mumbling something about this on 06 Jun 2000 07:04:14 EDT > I hope it won't be too long until the dust settles and we can see where > these > two programs stand. Pronto! and CSCMail have diverged. I have fixed quite a few bugs in CSCMail 1.7.x and the fixes are available on sourceforge at http://sourceforge.net/projects/cscmail (Checkout the CVS section, module cscmail-1.7.x) Pronto! has incorporated some of my bug fixes, but has also added features, and possibly fixed other bugs/introduced new ones. The development of CSCMail 1.7.x and Pronto! has diverged. I have made it a point to hop into Pronto! and inform the developers of any major bugs I have fixed in CSCMail 1.7.x because I am a nice guy. CSCMail 1.7.x is in feature freeze, and once all bugs seem to be stamped out in it, I will release CSCMail 1.8.0... This will be the LAST CSCMail release in Perl. > Since I was going to try the C version, I renamed my .cscmail directory to > ..cscmailold to get it out of the way. I thought that .pronto had taken over > its role. Wrong! After fetching the mail, nothing showed up in the message > list. When I gave .cscmail its old name back, I =think= I got all my > messages > back. CSCMail 1.9.x uses a .cscmailcrc file and doesn't put anything .cscmail at this time. Even when it does begin to create its own mail folders, I will make sure that the filenames and so forth do NOT conflict with the perl versions of CSCMail. I am designing these programs to run side by side, especially since 1.9.x is not a viable e-mail client at this time. No changes to your 1.7.x setup are required/desired to test out the 1.9.x version. > After fetching from CVS, I first noticed that INSTALL was empty. Then > configure wouldn't run, and I decided I should read changelog. I finally > found the message about autogen.sh and got started. But the process bombed > with: > checking for gnome-print >= 0.13... not found > configure: error: gnome-print 0.13 or later is required to compile CSCMail. gnome-print requires gnome-xml. GtkHTML requires gnome-print and gdk-pixbuf These four modules (gnome-xml, gnome-print, gdk-pixbuf, gtkhtml) are all available from the helixcode website as tar.gz's http://www.helixcode.com/apps/evolution-preview/index.php3 > That turned out to not be a simple download and install, so I've decided to > wait for the new Helix-Gnome CD's to get here to try again. That should get it too! hehe -Steve |
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