Thread: Re: [CSCMail-Users] Problem installing CSC Mail
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From: nick <nic...@nt...> - 2001-03-21 19:13:19
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On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:19:35 -0500, Steven Kordik said: > Thanks! I have kinda left the Perl install script as a low priority > since I > am focusing on the c-client based C version. This gives CSCMail IMAP > support, no Database dependancies, faster at everything, NNTP support, > "normal" local mailstore, and other cool features. (use Pine and > CSCMail to > read the same mailstore if you like, as CSCMail can read ~/mail or > whatever > format you keep your local mail in.) > The development sounds interesting. Can I throw three usability issues into the melting pot? I'm not a programmer, so I doubt I'll be much help fixing them, but I'm interested in questions of usability, so I guess you can rely on me to find some enhancements for you to think about... 1. How easy would it be to write a translator to take Outlook files - mail folders and, crucially, the address book, and import them into CSCMail - ideally merging them with the existing folders / address book, since by the time CSC 2.0 is out I will doubtless have essential info in both systems. There must be increasing numbers of people like me who're moving to linux from Windows, and want to bring the data in our MS applications with us. 2. The layout of panels in the CSCMail window is wasteful of space. By giving the message window the whole of the lower panel (colspan=2, if you like) even though messages are only 70-odd characters wide, there's a lot of white space - at least there is on my 1600x1200 screen. Outlook has a more interesting and useful layout, giving the folders a left hand column all to themselves (rowspan = 2, say 20% of the available width) and then splitting the right hand section horizontally to give the message list above the actual message window. Can I suggest you switch to that layout? It really is far more effective, since you don't have to scroll to see the different folders in the list, and the message window can be as large as possible, enabling most messages to be read in preview mode. 3. I like the colour co-ordinating quoting idea, but the line wrapping throws it out. When a section of twice quoted text is quoted for the third time, it pushes some text beyond the column-limit. Thus it will show up as only once-quoted, and will therefore be a different colour. Can you not differentiate between hard returns inserted by a user and line wraps inserted by email software, and continue with the same colour highlighting until you reach the end of a paragraph, even if some of the lines appear to have fewer > characters? Sorry if you've already considered these ideas - just things that strike me on first impressions of CSC. On the whole, I like it, by the way. I need to set some filters and so on, and then I'll begin to see whether it does the job for me. Nick |
From: nick <nic...@nt...> - 2001-03-21 19:14:49
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On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:19:35 -0500, Steven Kordik said: > Thanks! I have kinda left the Perl install script as a low priority > since I > am focusing on the c-client based C version. This gives CSCMail IMAP > support, no Database dependancies, faster at everything, NNTP support, > "normal" local mailstore, and other cool features. (use Pine and > CSCMail to > read the same mailstore if you like, as CSCMail can read ~/mail or > whatever > format you keep your local mail in.) > I just wrote you a long reply, and it just disappeared when I clicked send. Any ideas? Nick |
From: nick <nic...@nt...> - 2001-03-21 19:38:46
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On 21 Mar 2001 19:20:41 GMT, nick said: > On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:19:35 -0500, Steven Kordik said: > > > Thanks! I have kinda left the Perl install script as a low priority > > since I > > am focusing on the c-client based C version. This gives CSCMail > IMAP > > support, no Database dependancies, faster at everything, NNTP > support, > > "normal" local mailstore, and other cool features. (use Pine and > > CSCMail to > > read the same mailstore if you like, as CSCMail can read ~/mail or > > whatever > > format you keep your local mail in.) > > > > I just wrote you a long reply, and it just disappeared when I clicked > send. > > Any ideas? > > Nick > Ah, right. There it is. It must be an issue of updating the main screen from the database. Is it a feature or a bug? I click send and the Compose Message window closes, but the Outbox still says 0. Only after I've carried out some activity with the main window does it update to say 1. That's a bit confusing, to say the least. Couldn't the main window update whenever a child process closes, just to keep the numbers right? Nick |
From: Steven K. <sk...@st...> - 2001-03-21 19:56:28
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What database backend are you using? Cause for me, using PostgreSQL, the numbers stay in sync (although mail only sits in the Outbox for a few seconds prior to moving to the "Sent Items" folder since I have "send immediately" turned on.) If you are using CSV (text files) to store your mail, the delay is most likely due to the slowness of CSV. I recommend upgrading to CSCMail 1.7.x as well as switching to a real DB for storage... however, I really think I'll have the C version functional within a couple of weeks, so you may want to wait for it... -CZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick" <nic...@nt...> To: <csc...@li...> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [CSCMail-Users] Problem installing CSC Mail > On 21 Mar 2001 19:20:41 GMT, nick said: > > > On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:19:35 -0500, Steven Kordik said: > > > > > Thanks! I have kinda left the Perl install script as a low priority > > > since I > > > am focusing on the c-client based C version. This gives CSCMail > > IMAP > > > support, no Database dependancies, faster at everything, NNTP > > support, > > > "normal" local mailstore, and other cool features. (use Pine and > > > CSCMail to > > > read the same mailstore if you like, as CSCMail can read ~/mail or > > > whatever > > > format you keep your local mail in.) > > > > > > > I just wrote you a long reply, and it just disappeared when I clicked > > send. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Nick > > > > Ah, right. There it is. It must be an issue of updating the main screen > from the database. Is it a feature or a bug? I click send and the Compose > Message window closes, but the Outbox still says 0. Only after I've > carried out some activity with the main window does it update to say 1. > That's a bit confusing, to say the least. Couldn't the main window update > whenever a child process closes, just to keep the numbers right? > > Nick > > _______________________________________________ > | Be sure to read the CSCMail FAQ: > | http://www.cscmail.net/cscmail.faq > | > | CSCMail Home Page: > | http://www.cscmail.net > | > | To unsubscribe or change your preferences: > | http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/cscmail-users > |
From: nick <nic...@nt...> - 2001-03-22 08:11:43
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On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:34:52 +1100, David Price said: > For the question on conversion from Outlook > > Look at KMailCvt > > http://apps.kde.com/na/2/info/id/563 > > Will take Outlook Express mail files and convert them to mbox format. > Thanks David. Unfortunately, I'm using Outlook 2000 - not Outlook Express. I've looked through several sites about mailbox translation, and they all talk about Outlook Express and even Outlook 97, but I understand Outlook 2000 is a different format... Still hoping, Nick |
From: nick <nic...@nt...> - 2001-03-23 23:47:38
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I'm getting a lot of message left on the server for some reason, in 1.6.1 - is this a known problem with the software or something related to my configuration settings? Now when I send&receive, there are 37 messages on the server, none of which don't actually get downloaded, in addition to any new ones. Each time I check the server, that number increases slightly. The new messages each time do get pulled down, but clearly some of them are staying up on the server ready to be found again next time. I know that's the nature of the problem, since I can boot back into WIndows and use Outlook to retrieve them. They're all messages I've seen before, and the next time I run CSCMail the number of available messages is back to 0 or 1 again. Any ideas? Nick |
From: Daniel S. <np...@gm...> - 2001-03-24 12:02:29
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As far as I know, this is a bug in 1.6.1. I suggest updating to 1.7.x would help. (in fact it did for me) Daniel nick wrote: > I'm getting a lot of message left on the server for some reason, in 1.6.1 > - is this a known problem with the software or something related to my > configuration settings? > > Now when I send&receive, there are 37 messages on the server, none of > which don't actually get downloaded, in addition to any new ones. Each > time I check the server, that number increases slightly. The new messages > each time do get pulled down, but clearly some of them are staying up on > the server ready to be found again next time. > > I know that's the nature of the problem, since I can boot back into > WIndows and use Outlook to retrieve them. They're all messages I've seen > before, and the next time I run CSCMail the number of available messages > is back to 0 or 1 again. > > Any ideas? > > Nick |
From: Nick H. <nic...@nt...> - 2001-03-24 20:45:21
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On 24 Mar 2001 14:01:43 CEST, Daniel Schregenberger said: Re: messages left on server... > As far as I know, this is a bug in 1.6.1. I suggest updating to 1.7.x > would > help. (in fact it did for me) > > Daniel > Thanks Daniel. Are there any issues in upgrading from 1.6.1 to 1.7.x ? Like do I need to run any kind of translation process on my data files? Nick |
From: Daniel S. <np...@gm...> - 2001-03-24 21:05:27
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Yes, there are some changes. The table has some additional fields. But actually I dont know what exactly changed. I either dont know wether it is discribed in the 1.7.x-Readmes and if the migration-scripts work. I think its best to read the readmes about the migration and to make a backup of your data (exporting). Or to wait for a hint from CZ. Daniel > Thanks Daniel. Are there any issues in upgrading from 1.6.1 to 1.7.x ? > Like do I need to run any kind of translation process on my data files? |
From: Count Z. <cou...@cy...> - 2001-03-24 23:36:05
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There is a README.migration that should explain how to upgrade from 1.6.1 to 1.7.x (included with the 1.7.x distro) -CZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Holden" <nic...@nt...> To: <csc...@li...> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [CSCMail-Users] Problem installing CSC Mail > On 24 Mar 2001 14:01:43 CEST, Daniel Schregenberger said: > > Re: messages left on server... > > > As far as I know, this is a bug in 1.6.1. I suggest updating to 1.7.x > > would > > help. (in fact it did for me) > > > > Daniel > > > > > Thanks Daniel. Are there any issues in upgrading from 1.6.1 to 1.7.x ? > Like do I need to run any kind of translation process on my data files? > > Nick > > _______________________________________________ > | Be sure to read the CSCMail FAQ: > | http://www.cscmail.net/cscmail.faq > | > | CSCMail Home Page: > | http://www.cscmail.net > | > | To unsubscribe or change your preferences: > | http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/cscmail-users > |
From: Nick H. <nic...@nt...> - 2001-04-04 08:06:26
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On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:59:16 +0000, I said: > I'm getting a lot of message left on the server for some reason, in 1.6.1 > - is this a known problem with the software or something related to my > configuration settings? > Various people suggested that I upgraded to 1.7.9 which I did (albeit not very cleanly) and it seemed better for a while. But now it is worse! I'm getting the same messages downloaded every time I connect to my mail server. I delete them all, and the next time I receive messages I get them in my inbox all over again. Is there something else I can try, or is 1.9.x on the way enough for me to just sit tight and wait? Thanks. Nick -- ------------------------------ thewebtailor: web development that works! ------------------------------ http://www.thewebtailor.co.uk/ ------------------------------ 0116 224 9866 ------------------------------ 4 Glengate, Sth Wigston, Leics, LE18 4SP |
From: Nick H. <nic...@nt...> - 2001-04-25 20:23:22
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Just a thought about the development of v2.0 - could it include the option to use a GnomeCard file for an address book? I've just installed a fax program that does this, and so I'm gradually building up a useful GnomeCard database. It seems a shame to keep email addresses separately... What do other people think? Would this help make CSCMail a more integrated part of your lives? Nick -- ------------------------------ thewebtailor: web development that works! ------------------------------ http://www.thewebtailor.co.uk/ ------------------------------ 0116 224 9866 ------------------------------ 4 Glengate, Sth Wigston, Leics, LE18 4SP |
From: Count Z. <cou...@cy...> - 2001-04-25 20:50:03
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I'll look into it, but if that requires CSCMail to link to the GNOME libraries, I am very reluctant to make CSCMail a GNOME application... -CZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Holden" <nic...@nt...> To: <csc...@li...> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 5:29 PM Subject: [CSCMail-Users] GnomeCard address book? > Just a thought about the development of v2.0 - could it include the option to > use a GnomeCard file for an address book? I've just installed a fax program > that does this, and so I'm gradually building up a useful GnomeCard database. > It seems a shame to keep email addresses separately... > > What do other people think? Would this help make CSCMail a more integrated part > of your lives? > > Nick > -- > ------------------------------ > thewebtailor: web development that works! > ------------------------------ > http://www.thewebtailor.co.uk/ > ------------------------------ > 0116 224 9866 > ------------------------------ > 4 Glengate, Sth Wigston, Leics, LE18 4SP > > > _______________________________________________ > | Be sure to read the CSCMail FAQ: > | http://www.cscmail.net/cscmail.faq > | > | CSCMail Home Page: > | http://www.cscmail.net > | > | To unsubscribe or change your preferences: > | http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/cscmail-users > > |
From: Homer P. <hp...@ru...> - 2001-04-25 22:09:06
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Around 25 Apr 2001 21:29:06 BST, I thought I heard Nick Holden say: >Just a thought about the development of v2.0 - could it include the option to >use a GnomeCard file for an address book? I've just installed a fax program >that does this, and so I'm gradually building up a useful GnomeCard database. >It seems a shame to keep email addresses separately... > >What do other people think? Would this help make CSCMail a more integrated part >of your lives? I personally am all for integration... There's this major application for another OS that I really don't like, but... The integration of the package is really nice.. I'd sure like to have that kind of integration in the OS of my choice... But, since I can barely spell C, I don't think I can accomplish that feat.. (For those of you who can't figure out what I'm talking about, it's Office 2000) -- Homer Parker Technical Support Omega Internet Solutions 785.483.5588 hp...@ru... http://www.russellks.net |
From: Nick H. <nic...@nt...> - 2001-05-10 06:56:49
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My tolerance of spam has just about reached its limit again, and I want to run some of the crap I've received lately through spamcom (www.spamcop.net). Thing is, to effectively report the spam, I need to be able to cut and paste the headers of the email into the website. I can 'view header' or 'view source' - but cut or copy don't work in either of these windows. Can they be made to work? Come to think of it, why can't copy work anywhere, like the preview screen. It is a pain having to 'edit' an incoming message in order to be able to copy some of its content... How's v2 coming? Nick -- ------------------------------ thewebtailor: web development that works! ------------------------------ http://www.thewebtailor.co.uk/ ------------------------------ 0116 224 9866 ------------------------------ 4 Glengate, Sth Wigston, Leics, LE18 4SP |
From: Count Z. <cou...@cy...> - 2001-05-11 04:28:49
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It all depends on the widget you use to display e-mail... If you use GtkHTML or CscHTML you can copy and paste in all the places you just mentioned... -CZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Holden" <nic...@nt...> To: "CSC Mail List" <csc...@li...> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 3:59 AM Subject: [CSCMail-Users] Edit headers of incoming? > My tolerance of spam has just about reached its limit again, and I want to run > some of the crap I've received lately through spamcom (www.spamcop.net). Thing > is, to effectively report the spam, I need to be able to cut and paste the > headers of the email into the website. > > I can 'view header' or 'view source' - but cut or copy don't work in either of > these windows. Can they be made to work? Come to think of it, why can't copy > work anywhere, like the preview screen. It is a pain having to 'edit' an > incoming message in order to be able to copy some of its content... > > How's v2 coming? > > Nick > > -- > ------------------------------ > thewebtailor: web development that works! > ------------------------------ > http://www.thewebtailor.co.uk/ > ------------------------------ > 0116 224 9866 > ------------------------------ > 4 Glengate, Sth Wigston, Leics, LE18 4SP > > > _______________________________________________ > | Be sure to read the CSCMail FAQ: > | http://www.cscmail.net/cscmail.faq > | > | CSCMail Home Page: > | http://www.cscmail.net > | > | To unsubscribe or change your preferences: > | http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/cscmail-users > > |
From: Steven K. <sk...@st...> - 2001-03-21 20:03:01
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----- Original Message ----- From: "nick" <nic...@nt...> > > The development sounds interesting. > > Can I throw three usability issues into the melting pot? I'm not a > programmer, so I doubt I'll be much help fixing them, but I'm interested > in questions of usability, so I guess you can rely on me to find some > enhancements for you to think about... > > 1. How easy would it be to write a translator to take Outlook files - > mail folders and, crucially, the address book, and import them into > CSCMail - ideally merging them with the existing folders / address book, > since by the time CSC 2.0 is out I will doubtless have essential info in > both systems. There must be increasing numbers of people like me who're > moving to linux from Windows, and want to bring the data in our MS > applications with us. There is already a utility that will convert Outlook mailboxes to mbox format (which you can then import into CSCMail (all versions)) Do a search on freshmeat.net ... I don't remember the name of the utility off hand. As for the addressbook format, I am not sure about importing that ... I'll look into it... > 2. The layout of panels in the CSCMail window is wasteful of space. By > giving the message window the whole of the lower panel (colspan=2, if you > like) even though messages are only 70-odd characters wide, there's a lot > of white space - at least there is on my 1600x1200 screen. Outlook has a > more interesting and useful layout, giving the folders a left hand column > all to themselves (rowspan = 2, say 20% of the available width) and then > splitting the right hand section horizontally to give the message list > above the actual message window. Can I suggest you switch to that layout? > It really is far more effective, since you don't have to scroll to see > the different folders in the list, and the message window can be as large > as possible, enabling most messages to be read in preview mode. Actually, CSCMail 2.0 supports 4 different layout modes, (user selectable) ... Take a look at http://www.cyberdeck.org/screenshots (for May 17th, 2000 ... yeah, theres been a huge lapse in development) to see the 4 default view modes... > 3. I like the colour co-ordinating quoting idea, but the line wrapping > throws it out. When a section of twice quoted text is quoted for the > third time, it pushes some text beyond the column-limit. Thus it will > show up as only once-quoted, and will therefore be a different colour. > Can you not differentiate between hard returns inserted by a user and > line wraps inserted by email software, and continue with the same colour > highlighting until you reach the end of a paragraph, even if some of the > lines appear to have fewer > characters? I plan on completely reworking the way quoting/linewrapping and so forth works in the C version, and hope to address all of these issues. > Sorry if you've already considered these ideas - just things that strike > me on first impressions of CSC. On the whole, I like it, by the way. I > need to set some filters and so on, and then I'll begin to see whether it > does the job for me. No problem, input is ALWAYS appreciated! -CZ |
From: David P. <dp...@in...> - 2001-03-22 01:41:39
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For the question on conversion from Outlook Look at KMailCvt http://apps.kde.com/na/2/info/id/563 Will take Outlook Express mail files and convert them to mbox format. -- David Price "Hi. This is Dan Cassidy's answering machine. Please leave your name and number... and after I've doctored the tape, your message will implicate you in a federal crime and be brought to the attention of the F.B.I... BEEEP" -- Blue Devil comics |