Re: [Crawl-ref-discuss] Xom 0.5

[<jp...@mi...>]

Quoting David Ploog <pl...@mi...>:

> On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 jp...@mi... wrote:

>> The result of this is that with high piety (toy) you are much more
>> likely to get nice effects, and with low piety (plaything) non-nice
>> ones.
>
> Opposed to: always nice effects (toy), always bad effects (plaything).
> Right?

Yes.

>> One thing that is a bit annoying when playing the new Xom is that you
>> often get those "Your new title is: Toy" messages, which are sort of
>> necessary if the intent is for Xom's mood to be gamed
>
> This was zooko's intent but that's precisely a point where I want to
> depart from his model. Gods in general shouldn't be gamey, and Xom least
> so of all. With the current model, checking toy/plaything is much less
> important, isn't it?

I'd think so, but of course it's not completely unimportant, which is  
why I haven't removed them yet. Alternatively, we could simply mute  
those messages.

>> ...but I think the player should be able to just play without having to
>> check your current status all the time - with sometimes good stuff
>> happening, and sometimes bad, as is the way of Xom. Thus, I'd like to
> get rid of those announcements. What do y'all think?
>
> Sure, away with them! I liked the old special thingies ("You are a teddy
> bear of Xom.") -- we could keep whims like that for extreme piety (say
> ranges 0..20 and 181..200).

I forgot about the teddy bear. Hasn't that one been gone for ages,  
back when Xom used the normal piety scheme?

The names are currently:
         return (you.piety > 180) ? "A beloved toy of Xom." :
                (you.piety > 160) ? "A favourite toy of Xom." :
                (you.piety > 140) ? "A very special toy of Xom." :
                (you.piety > 120) ? "A special toy of Xom." :
                (you.piety > 100) ? "A toy of Xom." :
                (you.piety >  80) ? "A plaything of Xom." :
                (you.piety >  60) ? "A special plaything of Xom." :
                (you.piety >  40) ? "A very special plaything of Xom." :
                (you.piety >  20) ? "A favourite plaything of Xom."
                                  : "A beloved plaything of Xom.";

However, the difference between toy and plaything (i.e. one being  
good, the other bad) is not at all obvious, so I'd be in favour of  
reintroducing the teddy bear as a replacement for the highest toy title.

>> Basically, at the moment only the absence of tension (which translates
>> to high-level hostile monsters being around, or not around in this
>> case) controls what effects are *not* picked, including summons and
>> battle enchantments for nice effects, and the player being confused as
>> a bad effect.
>
> This is a good start. But I am very sure that certain effects should only
> occur with non-zero tension: berserk, might etc.

That's what I meant with "battle enchantments" above.
Also, tension currently plays no role when it comes to gifts.

Johanna

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