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#3075 Halflings as masters of Translocation (species)
Right now only four races have better than 100 in Tloc -- DD 85 (which makes no sense IMO and should change), DE 75, HE 90, and Sp 50. I propose changing Sp aptitude to 90 and giving 50 to Halflings. This would give Halflings more of a niche, especially with the new missile spells using Tloc. And Spriggans would still have plenty of toys.
hmm, verry interresting
Why do halflings make more sense than DD on having this aptitude?
Because DDs are already special, Ha right now are not really good at anything except Stealth and Short Blades, which lots of other races are too.
Because DDs are not supposed to be especially good casters except for necromancy and the earth, and Tloc is not related to either. Whereas stealth and translocations fit together well both in play and thematically.
Because Ha have too few strengths now, and DDs have too many.
But if the Devs decided to leave DD Tloc aptitude at 90 and give Ha 50, that would be OK with me too.
Lemuel
I support.
I'm very much in favor of letting DD remain good at stealth at tloc, as I said before. I wouldn't mind halflings warping around, though.
I like this, especially Ha and Sp changes.
This hurts theme without any balance benefits.
I say: meh.
I would like to see halfling at spellcasting 140 or better if this goes through, i dont see why they have such bad apt at spellcasting. I do agree about the Tloc buff, would be perfect to have them be able to cTele , blink stab and blink out if in danger. sprig can just run away most of the time anyways because they are awesome.
castamir, why do you think this would hurt theme? Is it because of the fat little burgler trope that hobbits have? I myself would love to see halflings as awesome stealth stab dungeoneers, but it just doesnt work late game. I fired up uber-halfling in wiz mode(no spells) and he diddent have a chance :( -Pigvomit
Anything that helps Halflings distinguish themselves from Kobolds is a good thing as far as I'm concerned.
ogaz
Lemuel: I second the Ha Tloc aptitude but I challenge the claim about "...you have to have equal amounts of both, otherwise you get the power creep that has ruined many good games." Now you know that we are not afraid of nerfs, but here we are talking about two species. In a sense, these are incomparable in a sense. Buffing Ha while leaving Sp as is acceptable. Buffing, for example, one weapon or spell type without compensation is the problematic move you mean. I think.
That said, I am not sure about Sp Tloc 50. I am sure about their bad Spc aptitude, this should stay, of course.
Spriggan should remain good at translocations, I believe.
The problem now is that everything Ha is good at Sp is at least equally good at -- *and* Sp has a bunch of other perks as well. That's why I suggested flipping their aptitudes, so that there is at least one thing that Ha is significantly better at.
Lemuel
Lemuel: I know that, but my repair for this would be removing Halflings altogether. I am not convinced giving them very good Tloc would save that species (it might, of course) whereas I know that Spriggan is aninteresting species.
I'd be sorry to see Ha go. I think there ought to be a race that is defined by being small and sneaky, as opposed to sneaky + saprovore, sneaky + undead, sneaky + no-healing, etc.
if you guys want to axe a race, get rid of DD
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Lemuel:I agree that such a species should exist but it might be easier to start from scratch.
Don't Spriggans fill that niche already?
Spriggans fill several niches already, they are just great. I am trying one on CDO and with the new aum nerf it makes for very interesting carrying choices, but sprig is still the ultimate little dudes. This FR i believe is just another attempt to figure out the halflings place in the crawl world. To shape him somehow into a better race without disturbing balance (and save them from getting removed)
Would it be a big deal to give Ha slightly better spellcasting apt? It would put them on par with kobold who are nasty creatures that (based on their apts) like to fight and bludgeon things, and Ko have better spell apt than Ha currently. -pigvomit