[Crackerjack-users 00076] Re: [RFC] [PROPOSAL:: LTP MINI SUMMIT] [OLS 2009] Should developers/stakeholders Meet ??

[Paul E. M. <pa...@li...>]

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:08:02PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Friday 27 February 2009 22:11:07 Greg KH wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:03:30PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > > On Friday 27 February 2009 21:05:32 Michael Kerrisk wrote:
> > > > On 2/27/09, Subrata Modak <su...@li...> wrote:
> > > > > The Linux Test project has been in existence for many years, and, the
> > > > > benefits of this Project has been well established. However, due to
> > > > > several reasons the developers/stakeholders of this project has never
> > > > > meet face to face. Hence, i would like to propose a Mini Summit for
> > > > > LTP on the sidelines of the OLS 2009, scheduled to be held at
> > > > > Montreal, Canada, July 13th-17th, 2009
> > > > > (http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2009/).
> > > > >
> > > > > The proposal for mini summit has been accepted in principle by the
> > > > > OLS committee. Since, there are no specific summit/meet/conference
> > > > > for LTP developers, this is a very good opportunity for LTP
> > > > > developers to meet side-by-side the OLS, as many of them will be
> > > > > coming to attend/present in the OLS. We can meet and discuss various
> > > > > issues relating to LTP in the same meet, some of them being:
> > > > >
> > > > > i) Presentation/discussion by developers/testers/users on various
> > > > > issues on test infrastructure/environment/test cases. Here we plan to
> > > > > abreast ourselves with several of such issues, and, somebody can take
> > > > > the responsibility for those line item(s),
> > > > > ii) Presentation/discussion by developers/testers/users on what they
> > > > > contributed to LTP, and, what they plan to do in near/far future,
> > > > > iii) Presentation/discussion by Maintainer of the present situation
> > > > > of LTP, and, what he might expect from the community to take this
> > > > > forward, iv) Presentation/discussion by Maintainer on how to increase
> > > > > LTP penetration in other areas (archs, etc) of Linux testing, like
> > > > > the Z-linux, embedded hardware, etc,
> > > > > v) How best to leverage on Project Collaboration like Crackerjack to
> > > > > LTP porting of tests,
> > > > > vi) Other proposals(if any) from the community is also to be
> > > > > discussed.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have discussed this with Andrew J Hutton of OLS committee. He has
> > > > > agreed in principle to lend us a room/accessories to conduct the Mini
> > > > > Summit, provided there are enough attendance of a minimum of 10
> > > > > people.
> > > > >
> > > > > If all/some of you agree and feel that it would be great for all of
> > > > > us to meet, and we have the enough nos. i can talk to Andrew to
> > > > > confirm a berth for us.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please feel free to propose new agenda and comment on the proposed
> > > > > agenda.
> > > >
> > > > This is a little OT, but I wonder: might this not be better targeted
> > > > at the Plumbers Conference in Portland?  It's very much an ecosystem
> > > > topic, which I imagine would be a good fit (see
> > > > http://lwn.net/Articles/319215/ ).  Assuming it was a fit, then there
> > > > could actually be a microconf track devoted to the topic.  Since
> > > > Plumbers is explicitly a developer oriented conference, and is
> > > > doubling up with LinuxCon, it might be that more potential interested
> > > > parties are at that conference than OLS.  (Speaking personally at
> > > > least, if I manage to make it to just one of these, then Plumbers is
> > > > probably the more likely of the two.)
> > >
> > > i'm not so sure ... i see LTP targeting more the low level libc/kernel
> > > interface.  the plumbers sit on top of that and LTP doesnt really target
> > > the plumbing layer ...
> >
> > Um, the "plumbers" include the libc / kernel developers, so I think that
> > is a direct target audience :)
> 
> like i said, i'm *not* saying both cannot be done.  i just think the LS makes 
> more sense if there's only going to be one.  but maybe i view plumbers as 
> sitting higher up the stack than other people (and reality :p).  plus, Subrata 
> is doing the hard work ... i'm the lazy one.

My view is that Plumbers is neither higher nor lower in the stack than
LS, but rather that Plumbers has a specific focus on things that involve
multiple layers of the stack.  Testing of multiple layers of the stack
seems to me to be pretty important, as a number of the bugs that have
hidden the longest involve interactions between multiple layers.

							Thanx, Paul