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From: Subrata M. <su...@li...> - 2009-02-27 09:16:21
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Hello All, The Linux Test project has been in existence for many years, and, the benefits of this Project has been well established. However, due to several reasons the developers/stakeholders of this project has never meet face to face. Hence, i would like to propose a Mini Summit for LTP on the sidelines of the OLS 2009, scheduled to be held at Montreal, Canada, July 13th-17th, 2009 (http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2009/). The proposal for mini summit has been accepted in principle by the OLS committee. Since, there are no specific summit/meet/conference for LTP developers, this is a very good opportunity for LTP developers to meet side-by-side the OLS, as many of them will be coming to attend/present in the OLS. We can meet and discuss various issues relating to LTP in the same meet, some of them being: i) Presentation/discussion by developers/testers/users on various issues on test infrastructure/environment/test cases. Here we plan to abreast ourselves with several of such issues, and, somebody can take the responsibility for those line item(s), ii) Presentation/discussion by developers/testers/users on what they contributed to LTP, and, what they plan to do in near/far future, iii) Presentation/discussion by Maintainer of the present situation of LTP, and, what he might expect from the community to take this forward, iv) Presentation/discussion by Maintainer on how to increase LTP penetration in other areas (archs, etc) of Linux testing, like the Z-linux, embedded hardware, etc, v) How best to leverage on Project Collaboration like Crackerjack to LTP porting of tests, vi) Other proposals(if any) from the community is also to be discussed. I have discussed this with Andrew J Hutton of OLS committee. He has agreed in principle to lend us a room/accessories to conduct the Mini Summit, provided there are enough attendance of a minimum of 10 people. If all/some of you agree and feel that it would be great for all of us to meet, and we have the enough nos. i can talk to Andrew to confirm a berth for us. Please feel free to propose new agenda and comment on the proposed agenda. Regards-- Subrata |
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From: Michael K. <mtk...@go...> - 2009-02-28 02:36:11
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Hi Subrata, [CC+=Paul McKenney] On 2/27/09, Subrata Modak <su...@li...> wrote: > Hello All, > > The Linux Test project has been in existence for many years, and, the > benefits of this Project has been well established. However, due to > several reasons the developers/stakeholders of this project has never > meet face to face. Hence, i would like to propose a Mini Summit for LTP > on the sidelines of the OLS 2009, scheduled to be held at Montreal, > Canada, July 13th-17th, 2009 (http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2009/). > > The proposal for mini summit has been accepted in principle by the OLS > committee. Since, there are no specific summit/meet/conference for LTP > developers, this is a very good opportunity for LTP developers to meet > side-by-side the OLS, as many of them will be coming to attend/present > in the OLS. We can meet and discuss various issues relating to LTP in > the same meet, some of them being: > > i) Presentation/discussion by developers/testers/users on various issues > on test infrastructure/environment/test cases. Here we plan to abreast > ourselves with several of such issues, and, somebody can take the > responsibility for those line item(s), > ii) Presentation/discussion by developers/testers/users on what they > contributed to LTP, and, what they plan to do in near/far future, > iii) Presentation/discussion by Maintainer of the present situation of > LTP, and, what he might expect from the community to take this forward, > iv) Presentation/discussion by Maintainer on how to increase LTP > penetration in other areas (archs, etc) of Linux testing, like the > Z-linux, embedded hardware, etc, > v) How best to leverage on Project Collaboration like Crackerjack to LTP > porting of tests, > vi) Other proposals(if any) from the community is also to be discussed. > > I have discussed this with Andrew J Hutton of OLS committee. He has > agreed in principle to lend us a room/accessories to conduct the Mini > Summit, provided there are enough attendance of a minimum of 10 people. > > If all/some of you agree and feel that it would be great for all of us > to meet, and we have the enough nos. i can talk to Andrew to confirm a > berth for us. > > Please feel free to propose new agenda and comment on the proposed > agenda. This is a little OT, but I wonder: might this not be better targeted at the Plumbers Conference in Portland? It's very much an ecosystem topic, which I imagine would be a good fit (see http://lwn.net/Articles/319215/ ). Assuming it was a fit, then there could actually be a microconf track devoted to the topic. Since Plumbers is explicitly a developer oriented conference, and is doubling up with LinuxCon, it might be that more potential interested parties are at that conference than OLS. (Speaking personally at least, if I manage to make it to just one of these, then Plumbers is probably the more likely of the two.) Cheers, Michael |
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From: Paul E. M. <pa...@li...> - 2009-02-28 02:38:18
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On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 03:05:32PM +1300, Michael Kerrisk wrote: > Hi Subrata, > > [CC+=Paul McKenney] > > On 2/27/09, Subrata Modak <su...@li...> wrote: > > Hello All, > > > > The Linux Test project has been in existence for many years, and, the > > benefits of this Project has been well established. However, due to > > several reasons the developers/stakeholders of this project has never > > meet face to face. Hence, i would like to propose a Mini Summit for LTP > > on the sidelines of the OLS 2009, scheduled to be held at Montreal, > > Canada, July 13th-17th, 2009 (http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2009/). > > > > The proposal for mini summit has been accepted in principle by the OLS > > committee. Since, there are no specific summit/meet/conference for LTP > > developers, this is a very good opportunity for LTP developers to meet > > side-by-side the OLS, as many of them will be coming to attend/present > > in the OLS. We can meet and discuss various issues relating to LTP in > > the same meet, some of them being: > > > > i) Presentation/discussion by developers/testers/users on various issues > > on test infrastructure/environment/test cases. Here we plan to abreast > > ourselves with several of such issues, and, somebody can take the > > responsibility for those line item(s), > > ii) Presentation/discussion by developers/testers/users on what they > > contributed to LTP, and, what they plan to do in near/far future, > > iii) Presentation/discussion by Maintainer of the present situation of > > LTP, and, what he might expect from the community to take this forward, > > iv) Presentation/discussion by Maintainer on how to increase LTP > > penetration in other areas (archs, etc) of Linux testing, like the > > Z-linux, embedded hardware, etc, > > v) How best to leverage on Project Collaboration like Crackerjack to LTP > > porting of tests, > > vi) Other proposals(if any) from the community is also to be discussed. > > > > I have discussed this with Andrew J Hutton of OLS committee. He has > > agreed in principle to lend us a room/accessories to conduct the Mini > > Summit, provided there are enough attendance of a minimum of 10 people. > > > > If all/some of you agree and feel that it would be great for all of us > > to meet, and we have the enough nos. i can talk to Andrew to confirm a > > berth for us. > > > > Please feel free to propose new agenda and comment on the proposed > > agenda. > > This is a little OT, but I wonder: might this not be better targeted > at the Plumbers Conference in Portland? It's very much an ecosystem > topic, which I imagine would be a good fit (see > http://lwn.net/Articles/319215/ ). Assuming it was a fit, then there > could actually be a microconf track devoted to the topic. Since > Plumbers is explicitly a developer oriented conference, and is > doubling up with LinuxCon, it might be that more potential interested > parties are at that conference than OLS. (Speaking personally at > least, if I manage to make it to just one of these, then Plumbers is > probably the more likely of the two.) I can forward to the LPC program committee, some of whom you already have contacted. Could you please also post at the LWN site: http://lwn.net/Articles/319215/ Thanx, Paul |
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From: Mike F. <va...@ge...> - 2009-02-28 03:03:40
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On Friday 27 February 2009 21:05:32 Michael Kerrisk wrote: > On 2/27/09, Subrata Modak <su...@li...> wrote: > > The Linux Test project has been in existence for many years, and, the > > benefits of this Project has been well established. However, due to > > several reasons the developers/stakeholders of this project has never > > meet face to face. Hence, i would like to propose a Mini Summit for LTP > > on the sidelines of the OLS 2009, scheduled to be held at Montreal, > > Canada, July 13th-17th, 2009 (http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2009/). > > > > The proposal for mini summit has been accepted in principle by the OLS > > committee. Since, there are no specific summit/meet/conference for LTP > > developers, this is a very good opportunity for LTP developers to meet > > side-by-side the OLS, as many of them will be coming to attend/present > > in the OLS. We can meet and discuss various issues relating to LTP in > > the same meet, some of them being: > > > > i) Presentation/discussion by developers/testers/users on various issues > > on test infrastructure/environment/test cases. Here we plan to abreast > > ourselves with several of such issues, and, somebody can take the > > responsibility for those line item(s), > > ii) Presentation/discussion by developers/testers/users on what they > > contributed to LTP, and, what they plan to do in near/far future, > > iii) Presentation/discussion by Maintainer of the present situation of > > LTP, and, what he might expect from the community to take this forward, > > iv) Presentation/discussion by Maintainer on how to increase LTP > > penetration in other areas (archs, etc) of Linux testing, like the > > Z-linux, embedded hardware, etc, > > v) How best to leverage on Project Collaboration like Crackerjack to LTP > > porting of tests, > > vi) Other proposals(if any) from the community is also to be discussed. > > > > I have discussed this with Andrew J Hutton of OLS committee. He has > > agreed in principle to lend us a room/accessories to conduct the Mini > > Summit, provided there are enough attendance of a minimum of 10 people. > > > > If all/some of you agree and feel that it would be great for all of us > > to meet, and we have the enough nos. i can talk to Andrew to confirm a > > berth for us. > > > > Please feel free to propose new agenda and comment on the proposed > > agenda. > > This is a little OT, but I wonder: might this not be better targeted > at the Plumbers Conference in Portland? It's very much an ecosystem > topic, which I imagine would be a good fit (see > http://lwn.net/Articles/319215/ ). Assuming it was a fit, then there > could actually be a microconf track devoted to the topic. Since > Plumbers is explicitly a developer oriented conference, and is > doubling up with LinuxCon, it might be that more potential interested > parties are at that conference than OLS. (Speaking personally at > least, if I manage to make it to just one of these, then Plumbers is > probably the more likely of the two.) i'm not so sure ... i see LTP targeting more the low level libc/kernel interface. the plumbers sit on top of that and LTP doesnt really target the plumbing layer ... i'm not saying LTP cant do both ;), just that the LS seems more of an appropriate forum in terms of content. the higher price tag does discourage a lot of people from not showing up where as that barrier doesnt exist with the plumbers conf ... -mike |
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From: Greg KH <gr...@su...> - 2009-02-28 03:32:02
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:03:30PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Friday 27 February 2009 21:05:32 Michael Kerrisk wrote: > > On 2/27/09, Subrata Modak <su...@li...> wrote: > > > The Linux Test project has been in existence for many years, and, the > > > benefits of this Project has been well established. However, due to > > > several reasons the developers/stakeholders of this project has never > > > meet face to face. Hence, i would like to propose a Mini Summit for LTP > > > on the sidelines of the OLS 2009, scheduled to be held at Montreal, > > > Canada, July 13th-17th, 2009 (http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2009/). > > > > > > The proposal for mini summit has been accepted in principle by the OLS > > > committee. Since, there are no specific summit/meet/conference for LTP > > > developers, this is a very good opportunity for LTP developers to meet > > > side-by-side the OLS, as many of them will be coming to attend/present > > > in the OLS. We can meet and discuss various issues relating to LTP in > > > the same meet, some of them being: > > > > > > i) Presentation/discussion by developers/testers/users on various issues > > > on test infrastructure/environment/test cases. Here we plan to abreast > > > ourselves with several of such issues, and, somebody can take the > > > responsibility for those line item(s), > > > ii) Presentation/discussion by developers/testers/users on what they > > > contributed to LTP, and, what they plan to do in near/far future, > > > iii) Presentation/discussion by Maintainer of the present situation of > > > LTP, and, what he might expect from the community to take this forward, > > > iv) Presentation/discussion by Maintainer on how to increase LTP > > > penetration in other areas (archs, etc) of Linux testing, like the > > > Z-linux, embedded hardware, etc, > > > v) How best to leverage on Project Collaboration like Crackerjack to LTP > > > porting of tests, > > > vi) Other proposals(if any) from the community is also to be discussed. > > > > > > I have discussed this with Andrew J Hutton of OLS committee. He has > > > agreed in principle to lend us a room/accessories to conduct the Mini > > > Summit, provided there are enough attendance of a minimum of 10 people. > > > > > > If all/some of you agree and feel that it would be great for all of us > > > to meet, and we have the enough nos. i can talk to Andrew to confirm a > > > berth for us. > > > > > > Please feel free to propose new agenda and comment on the proposed > > > agenda. > > > > This is a little OT, but I wonder: might this not be better targeted > > at the Plumbers Conference in Portland? It's very much an ecosystem > > topic, which I imagine would be a good fit (see > > http://lwn.net/Articles/319215/ ). Assuming it was a fit, then there > > could actually be a microconf track devoted to the topic. Since > > Plumbers is explicitly a developer oriented conference, and is > > doubling up with LinuxCon, it might be that more potential interested > > parties are at that conference than OLS. (Speaking personally at > > least, if I manage to make it to just one of these, then Plumbers is > > probably the more likely of the two.) > > i'm not so sure ... i see LTP targeting more the low level libc/kernel > interface. the plumbers sit on top of that and LTP doesnt really target the > plumbing layer ... Um, the "plumbers" include the libc / kernel developers, so I think that is a direct target audience :) thanks, greg k-h |
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From: Mike F. <va...@ge...> - 2009-02-28 04:08:11
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On Friday 27 February 2009 22:11:07 Greg KH wrote: > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:03:30PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Friday 27 February 2009 21:05:32 Michael Kerrisk wrote: > > > On 2/27/09, Subrata Modak <su...@li...> wrote: > > > > The Linux Test project has been in existence for many years, and, the > > > > benefits of this Project has been well established. However, due to > > > > several reasons the developers/stakeholders of this project has never > > > > meet face to face. Hence, i would like to propose a Mini Summit for > > > > LTP on the sidelines of the OLS 2009, scheduled to be held at > > > > Montreal, Canada, July 13th-17th, 2009 > > > > (http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2009/). > > > > > > > > The proposal for mini summit has been accepted in principle by the > > > > OLS committee. Since, there are no specific summit/meet/conference > > > > for LTP developers, this is a very good opportunity for LTP > > > > developers to meet side-by-side the OLS, as many of them will be > > > > coming to attend/present in the OLS. We can meet and discuss various > > > > issues relating to LTP in the same meet, some of them being: > > > > > > > > i) Presentation/discussion by developers/testers/users on various > > > > issues on test infrastructure/environment/test cases. Here we plan to > > > > abreast ourselves with several of such issues, and, somebody can take > > > > the responsibility for those line item(s), > > > > ii) Presentation/discussion by developers/testers/users on what they > > > > contributed to LTP, and, what they plan to do in near/far future, > > > > iii) Presentation/discussion by Maintainer of the present situation > > > > of LTP, and, what he might expect from the community to take this > > > > forward, iv) Presentation/discussion by Maintainer on how to increase > > > > LTP penetration in other areas (archs, etc) of Linux testing, like > > > > the Z-linux, embedded hardware, etc, > > > > v) How best to leverage on Project Collaboration like Crackerjack to > > > > LTP porting of tests, > > > > vi) Other proposals(if any) from the community is also to be > > > > discussed. > > > > > > > > I have discussed this with Andrew J Hutton of OLS committee. He has > > > > agreed in principle to lend us a room/accessories to conduct the Mini > > > > Summit, provided there are enough attendance of a minimum of 10 > > > > people. > > > > > > > > If all/some of you agree and feel that it would be great for all of > > > > us to meet, and we have the enough nos. i can talk to Andrew to > > > > confirm a berth for us. > > > > > > > > Please feel free to propose new agenda and comment on the proposed > > > > agenda. > > > > > > This is a little OT, but I wonder: might this not be better targeted > > > at the Plumbers Conference in Portland? It's very much an ecosystem > > > topic, which I imagine would be a good fit (see > > > http://lwn.net/Articles/319215/ ). Assuming it was a fit, then there > > > could actually be a microconf track devoted to the topic. Since > > > Plumbers is explicitly a developer oriented conference, and is > > > doubling up with LinuxCon, it might be that more potential interested > > > parties are at that conference than OLS. (Speaking personally at > > > least, if I manage to make it to just one of these, then Plumbers is > > > probably the more likely of the two.) > > > > i'm not so sure ... i see LTP targeting more the low level libc/kernel > > interface. the plumbers sit on top of that and LTP doesnt really target > > the plumbing layer ... > > Um, the "plumbers" include the libc / kernel developers, so I think that > is a direct target audience :) like i said, i'm *not* saying both cannot be done. i just think the LS makes more sense if there's only going to be one. but maybe i view plumbers as sitting higher up the stack than other people (and reality :p). plus, Subrata is doing the hard work ... i'm the lazy one. -mike |
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From: Paul E. M. <pa...@li...> - 2009-03-02 04:29:36
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:08:02PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Friday 27 February 2009 22:11:07 Greg KH wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:03:30PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > > On Friday 27 February 2009 21:05:32 Michael Kerrisk wrote: > > > > On 2/27/09, Subrata Modak <su...@li...> wrote: > > > > > The Linux Test project has been in existence for many years, and, the > > > > > benefits of this Project has been well established. However, due to > > > > > several reasons the developers/stakeholders of this project has never > > > > > meet face to face. Hence, i would like to propose a Mini Summit for > > > > > LTP on the sidelines of the OLS 2009, scheduled to be held at > > > > > Montreal, Canada, July 13th-17th, 2009 > > > > > (http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2009/). > > > > > > > > > > The proposal for mini summit has been accepted in principle by the > > > > > OLS committee. Since, there are no specific summit/meet/conference > > > > > for LTP developers, this is a very good opportunity for LTP > > > > > developers to meet side-by-side the OLS, as many of them will be > > > > > coming to attend/present in the OLS. We can meet and discuss various > > > > > issues relating to LTP in the same meet, some of them being: > > > > > > > > > > i) Presentation/discussion by developers/testers/users on various > > > > > issues on test infrastructure/environment/test cases. Here we plan to > > > > > abreast ourselves with several of such issues, and, somebody can take > > > > > the responsibility for those line item(s), > > > > > ii) Presentation/discussion by developers/testers/users on what they > > > > > contributed to LTP, and, what they plan to do in near/far future, > > > > > iii) Presentation/discussion by Maintainer of the present situation > > > > > of LTP, and, what he might expect from the community to take this > > > > > forward, iv) Presentation/discussion by Maintainer on how to increase > > > > > LTP penetration in other areas (archs, etc) of Linux testing, like > > > > > the Z-linux, embedded hardware, etc, > > > > > v) How best to leverage on Project Collaboration like Crackerjack to > > > > > LTP porting of tests, > > > > > vi) Other proposals(if any) from the community is also to be > > > > > discussed. > > > > > > > > > > I have discussed this with Andrew J Hutton of OLS committee. He has > > > > > agreed in principle to lend us a room/accessories to conduct the Mini > > > > > Summit, provided there are enough attendance of a minimum of 10 > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > If all/some of you agree and feel that it would be great for all of > > > > > us to meet, and we have the enough nos. i can talk to Andrew to > > > > > confirm a berth for us. > > > > > > > > > > Please feel free to propose new agenda and comment on the proposed > > > > > agenda. > > > > > > > > This is a little OT, but I wonder: might this not be better targeted > > > > at the Plumbers Conference in Portland? It's very much an ecosystem > > > > topic, which I imagine would be a good fit (see > > > > http://lwn.net/Articles/319215/ ). Assuming it was a fit, then there > > > > could actually be a microconf track devoted to the topic. Since > > > > Plumbers is explicitly a developer oriented conference, and is > > > > doubling up with LinuxCon, it might be that more potential interested > > > > parties are at that conference than OLS. (Speaking personally at > > > > least, if I manage to make it to just one of these, then Plumbers is > > > > probably the more likely of the two.) > > > > > > i'm not so sure ... i see LTP targeting more the low level libc/kernel > > > interface. the plumbers sit on top of that and LTP doesnt really target > > > the plumbing layer ... > > > > Um, the "plumbers" include the libc / kernel developers, so I think that > > is a direct target audience :) > > like i said, i'm *not* saying both cannot be done. i just think the LS makes > more sense if there's only going to be one. but maybe i view plumbers as > sitting higher up the stack than other people (and reality :p). plus, Subrata > is doing the hard work ... i'm the lazy one. My view is that Plumbers is neither higher nor lower in the stack than LS, but rather that Plumbers has a specific focus on things that involve multiple layers of the stack. Testing of multiple layers of the stack seems to me to be pretty important, as a number of the bugs that have hidden the longest involve interactions between multiple layers. Thanx, Paul |
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