Re: [Cppcms-users] State of the Union

[redred77 <red...@gm...>]

Sorry that my email disappointed you.
What I meant I can contribute is not about the bug actually. I wrote it on
mobile and didn't write it long. Sorry for that.
I mean I can contribute to help people as a community member for who stuck
with same problem I suffered. I like github because of 1) "fluent community
system" and 2) "big user base".

It's not about the source. I would like to have some Q&A like system only
for CppCMS. Well github doesn't provide Q&A system but actually github's
issue system is quite good for it too. (See how people are using github's
issue page)

CppCMS's knowledge base is kept on mailing list and Wiki mostly, and it's
quite hard to find some answers for beginners or some particular problems.
Maybe it's related problem between "mailing-list vs bbs".


Here's one example. Assume that I suffered compiling cppcms/cppdb on
Windows. I read all info from Wiki about it but couldn't solve it. I
searched for the issue on Google and found same issue asking post from past
cppcms mailing list. There isn't helpful reply to solve, or it's out-dated.
When I found the answer on my own, do you think I have to reply to that
mailing-list? No. It's just spam because it's few years old. So, my
knowledge will be gone away and will not piled up to open source community
forever.
If it was github issue, I can add some more detailed info and comments for
next searcher.

Let me show what I suffered. I ran cppcms for development on Windows and
found that Visual Studio doesn't compile utf-8 string as raw. So, when view
template cpp has plain foreign language, it compiles well but shows wrong
characters. I didn't know how VS handle utf-8 string, I just thought it
saves string what the cpp file is saved as. (same like utf-8)

I had to add below lines to force compile it as raw utf-8.

#ifdef _MSC_VER
__pragma (execution_character_set("utf-8"))
#endif


You would may ask that why I didn't send patch for it.
Well, here are reasons what I thought.

1) I don't think it's best answer for this situation.
    Visual Studio changes a lot between versions. VS2008, VS2010, VS2013
supports this #pragma but VS2012 doesn't. Very weird.
    Not sure future version would support this pragma. This #pragma is very
incomplete, temporary solution I think
2) cppcms recommends to use gettext() to print foreign languages. gettext()
would not have any problems I suffered.
    I think I'm the only one stuck this problem.
3) cppcms mainly targets linux, but I haven't tested this situation on
linux yet. I can't send patch even I haven't tested. Some other things
would be broken by this lines.
4) New gcc have raw format saving feature like "u8R". I think it's better
solution but not all compilers supports it yet.
5) And, I'm not sure it's bug, rather specific platform's compatibility
issue.
    Cppcms dev already knows that compiling on windows is straightforward.
    For example, you have to resave some files to UTF8+BOM to compile with
VS nmake.
6) I haven't edited cppcms_tmpl_cc.py to make it compatible.
    I mean I don't have the edited source code. As you know, view template
must be translated by this python script.
    I just have found the answer by editing the result cpp file by myself.
    I have no code to send actually yet.

Well, these are the problems why I hesitated. Yeah, "it's not completed
research".

Maybe I could have open a issue about it on github to discuss, but I was
afraid about it on sending to mailing-list.
Do you understand? Many people open issue on github with this kind of
problem & info but mailing-list has much higher hurdle because everybody
will read it. I can't write not-completed, not-fully-researched info to
discuss with everyone.

Also, FAQ or Wiki cannot handle all practical issues like this. Then it
will be too long.


To say it in clearly, I like bbs or forum than mailing-list.
Github provides bbs, community system and Sourceforge is good at
mailing-list I think.

I like cppcms, and want to see it grow. Don't think I'm against this
project, I really love this well structured codes.


2015. 6. 30. 오전 12:07에 "Joerg Sonnenberger" <jo...@br...>님이 작성:

> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:42:15PM +0900, redred77 wrote:
> > I have started new project with cppcms few weeks ago, and I found several
> > points I can contribute but couldn't do it. Moving to github would give
> > much more contributors like me.
>
> I call this bullshit. You can send patches, you can create bug reports.
> Nothing stops you from contributing. It might surprise people, but Open
> Source projects have existed before github or even SF. The methods to
> contribute haven't changed that much...
>
> Joerg
>
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