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[Cppcms-users] IRC Chat ??

From: Daniel R. <dan...@li...> - 2011-08-23 21:45:51

Hello there!
It just came to my mind, what if we create an IRC chat room, for all cppmcms users??  The pros will be:
- Fast feedback with new users who are looking for simple basic questions. Lets say installation and server configuration.- Start a Cppcms users community.
Sounds interesting , what do you think?
Daniel

Re: [Cppcms-users] IRC Chat ??

From: kpeo <sla...@ya...> - 2011-08-24 06:16:41

<div>I think it sounds interesting too ) Already have a page in facebook:</div><div>http://www.facebook.com/pages/CppCMS/112412328774857</div><div>24.08.2011, 01:45, "Daniel Rios" &lt;dan...@li...&gt;:</div><blockquote><div dir="ltr">Hello there!<div>It just came to my mind, what if we create an IRC chat room, for all cppmcms users??  The pros will be:</div><div>- Fast feedback with new users who are looking for simple basic questions. Lets say installation and server configuration.</div><div>- Start a Cppcms users community.</div><div>Sounds interesting , what do you think?</div><div>Daniel</div></div><p>------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />EMC VNX: the world's simplest storage, starting under $10K<br />The only unified storage solution that offers unified management <br />Up to 160% more powerful than alternatives and 25% more efficient. <br />Guaranteed. <a href="http://p.sf.net/sfu/emc-vnx-dev2dev">http://p.sf.net/sfu/emc-vnx-dev2dev</a></p><p>_______________________________________________<br />Cppcms-users mailing list<br /><a href="mailto:Cpp...@li...">Cpp...@li...</a><br /><a href="https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/cppcms-users">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/cppcms-users</a></p></blockquote>

Re: [Cppcms-users] IRC Chat ??

From: Alec T. <ale...@gm...> - 2011-08-24 07:48:11

Probably put one on FreeNode (Wt has one there). Remember to register
with ChanServ!

2011/8/24 kpeo <sla...@ya...>:
> I think it sounds interesting too ) Already have a page in facebook:
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/CppCMS/112412328774857
> 24.08.2011, 01:45, "Daniel Rios" <dan...@li...>:
>
> Hello there!
> It just came to my mind, what if we create an IRC chat room, for all cppmcms
> users??  The pros will be:
> - Fast feedback with new users who are looking for simple basic questions.
> Lets say installation and server configuration.
> - Start a Cppcms users community.
> Sounds interesting , what do you think?
> Daniel
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> EMC VNX: the world's simplest storage, starting under $10K
> The only unified storage solution that offers unified management
> Up to 160% more powerful than alternatives and 25% more efficient.
> Guaranteed. http://p.sf.net/sfu/emc-vnx-dev2dev
>
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> The only unified storage solution that offers unified management
> Up to 160% more powerful than alternatives and 25% more efficient.
> Guaranteed. http://p.sf.net/sfu/emc-vnx-dev2dev
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Re: [Cppcms-users] IRC Chat ??

From: Paradigm S. <pd...@gm...> - 2011-08-24 08:11:27

It sounds interesting.

It would be nice to have an initiative to post the answers to such
questions back to the main wiki though.

That is, http://art-blog.no-ip.info/wikipp/en/page/main

Perhaps we could have a loose convention that the person who asked the
question should take ownership of posting it back on the main wiki?

One source of documentation seems ideal.


On 08/24/2011 12:45 AM, Daniel Rios wrote:
> Hello there!
>
> It just came to my mind, what if we create an IRC chat room, for all
> cppmcms users??  The pros will be:
>
> - Fast feedback with new users who are looking for simple basic
> questions. Lets say installation and server configuration.
> - Start a Cppcms users community.
>
> Sounds interesting , what do you think?
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> EMC VNX: the world's simplest storage, starting under $10K
> The only unified storage solution that offers unified management 
> Up to 160% more powerful than alternatives and 25% more efficient. 
> Guaranteed. http://p.sf.net/sfu/emc-vnx-dev2dev
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cppcms-users mailing list
> Cpp...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/cppcms-users

Re: [Cppcms-users] IRC Chat ??

From: Artyom B. <art...@ya...> - 2011-08-24 08:59:13

Hello CppCMS Users,


There are several problems with IRC Chat...

1. Users located in different time zones all over the
   world from the West and USA to East China,

   So it would be not always easy.

2. When you write an e-mail you usually make your statements
   and problem description much clear, bring some output samples
   maybe some logs.

   Same for the answers, they are usually deeper and wider.


   This does not happen in the chat.

3. There are much more people who can view an e-mail,
   and answer it rather then people who on-line in
   chat rooms. It can be done off line even with
   slightly bigger delay.


4. The mailing list is recorded at:

   http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lib.cppcms.user

   Which makes it easier to search for the questions
   and answers, it is also monitored by google making
   it easier to solve the problems.

In any case if somebody whats to open an IRC channel 

he is welcome however I think mailing list is better
because it allows more people to be in the
have same conversation and even just learn by
reading even without asking.


So I just think that e-mail list is better for community
communication is just more productive
while "almost" real time reply actually work well with
e-mails as well.


In any case if there are frequently asked question, they
should be in wiki :-)

My $0.02

Artyom Beilis

Re: [Cppcms-users] IRC Chat ??

From: augustin <aug...@ov...> - 2011-08-24 09:03:18

On Wednesday 24 August 2011 05:45:43 am Daniel Rios wrote:
> Hello there!
> It just came to my mind, what if we create an IRC chat room, for all
>  cppmcms users??  The pros will be: - Fast feedback with new users who are
>  looking for simple basic questions. Lets say installation and server
>  configuration.- Start a Cppcms users community. Sounds interesting , what
>  do you think?
> 

I think it's a bad idea. 

You didn't list the cons:

1- Fast feedback? Feedback is currently almost 100% provided by Artyom, and he 
is usually fast.  He won't be any faster on IRC. 

2- One more channel to monitor to stay abreast of CPPCMS development: no 
thanks!

3- Do we really need to register to Facebook (Yuck!) or yet other places to 
stay with the community?

4- Would there be automatic IRC chat logs publicly available?? I keep a local 
copy of the mailing list archives, which is very handy when I need to look 
back on something that was already discussed. There are also nice, publicly 
available mailing list archives.

5- As long as people don't get into the habit of feeding back the information 
into the wiki, the IRC channel would be a memory hole where useful information 
will get lost.... and the same questions will have to be asked all over again, 
thereby increasing Artyom's workload.

6- I'm glad that the CPPCMS community is growing, but it is not yet very big: 
barely a dozen regular posters on the mailing list. It doesn't feel crowed, 
yet!

7- Which time zone? What time? IRC is interesting when you want to have a live 
chat. Personally, I live in the (free and democratic) Republic of China 
(=Taiwan). There is at least one or two friends from the other China (the 
People's Republic of China, ruled by the Chinese Communist Party). Artyom is 
from the Middle East. There are certainly other members from elsewhere in 
Europe or the Americas. So, at what time do we meet??? 
In that  case, IRC actually reduces the probabilities of getting feedback. The 
mailing list allows everyone to read the messages and reply at a time of their 
own choosing.

8- Have you tried pasting whole blocks of code on IRC? In a mailing list, you 
can easily post code and comment on it in the same email. With IRC, one has to 
rely on yet another third party service to post code.

9- Paradigm Shift's comment on this thread is interesting. His position is 
similar to mine (see 5 above), regarding the proper use of the wiki. If I 
could be confident that the askers would systematically feedback the answers 
into the wiki, I would feel differently about this proposal. But I very much 
doubt it will happen, and I strongly feel the CPPCMS community has much to 
lose with exclusive IRC chats.

Having said that, the internet is a free place: go ahead if you wish. 
I personally hope Artyom will stay here, where he's can be followed much more 
easily.

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Re: [Cppcms-users] IRC Chat ??

From: augustin <aug...@ov...> - 2011-08-24 09:05:48

On Wednesday 24 August 2011 04:59:05 pm Artyom Beilis wrote:
> There are several problems with IRC Chat...


We posted our replies at the same time. :)
I'm glad to see that our point lists are very similar. 

Anyway: thank you for your continued support of CPPCMS and CPPCMS users!

Blessings,

Augustin.
 



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Re: [Cppcms-users] IRC Chat ??

From: Alec T. <ale...@gm...> - 2011-08-24 12:23:52

IRC is a good idea because:

• Waiting for an email reply usually takes too long
• When your doing something small, it's rather annoying to have to
write a new email for each little issue you come up with
• Especially when you're installing CppCMS for the first time,
resolving those errors ASAP is extremely important

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:05 PM, augustin <aug...@ov...> wrote:
> On Wednesday 24 August 2011 04:59:05 pm Artyom Beilis wrote:
>> There are several problems with IRC Chat...
>
>
> We posted our replies at the same time. :)
> I'm glad to see that our point lists are very similar.
>
> Anyway: thank you for your continued support of CPPCMS and CPPCMS users!
>
> Blessings,
>
> Augustin.
>
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> Friends: http://www.reuniting.info/
> My projects:
> http://astralcity.org/ http://3enjeux.overshoot.tv/ http://linux.overshoot.tv/
> http://overshoot.tv/ http://charityware.info/ http://masquilier.org/
> http://openteacher.info/ http://minguo.info/
> http://www.wechange.org/ http://searching911.info/
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> The only unified storage solution that offers unified management
> Up to 160% more powerful than alternatives and 25% more efficient.
> Guaranteed. http://p.sf.net/sfu/emc-vnx-dev2dev
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Re: [Cppcms-users] IRC Chat ??

From: Klaim - J. L. <mj...@gm...> - 2011-08-24 13:53:15

Hi,

For a web server implementation community, I think a useful demonstration
would have been far more efficient than an irc channel or a mailing list
system.

Why not build a simple community tool over CPPCMS?
Two possibilities that are NOT mutually explusive :

1. a chat system as dynamic web page : see http://chat.stackoverflow.com/ as
very good and advanced example.

Advantage of all those of a chat, including quick chit-chat, fast replies,
etc., PLUS persistence of the discussion.

I think a very simple and already useful implementation can be done quickly.
However, I'm too busy with other projects to work on it.

2. a forum engine. Every language used in web dev. have it's set of forum
engines, but c++. Forums have some advantages over mailing list, the first
one being ease of reading, no storing in your personal accoun etc.

It would be very demonstrative if the CPPCMS community followed the "eat
your own dog food" mentality started with the wiki and blog engines
implementations.

My 2 cents

Joël Lamotte

Re: [Cppcms-users] IRC Chat ??

From: Alec T. <ale...@gm...> - 2011-08-29 16:54:34

Thanks, but why not just a simple web-frontend, just embed it in some HTML.

Working examples: webhcat.freenode.net mibbit.com/chat

On 8/24/11, Klaim - Joël Lamotte <mj...@gm...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For a web server implementation community, I think a useful demonstration
> would have been far more efficient than an irc channel or a mailing list
> system.
>
> Why not build a simple community tool over CPPCMS?
> Two possibilities that are NOT mutually explusive :
>
> 1. a chat system as dynamic web page : see http://chat.stackoverflow.com/ as
> very good and advanced example.
>
> Advantage of all those of a chat, including quick chit-chat, fast replies,
> etc., PLUS persistence of the discussion.
>
> I think a very simple and already useful implementation can be done quickly.
> However, I'm too busy with other projects to work on it.
>
> 2. a forum engine. Every language used in web dev. have it's set of forum
> engines, but c++. Forums have some advantages over mailing list, the first
> one being ease of reading, no storing in your personal accoun etc.
>
> It would be very demonstrative if the CPPCMS community followed the "eat
> your own dog food" mentality started with the wiki and blog engines
> implementations.
>
> My 2 cents
>
> Joël Lamotte
>