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Re: [Corelinux-develop] time for advertisement

[Frank V. C. <fr...@co...>]

Christophe Prud'homme wrote:

>     Frank> Great reference, but without the frameworks I fear the core is not enough to compare yet.
>     Frank> This, obviously, is the goal of CoreLinux++ and as such Mr. Iguaza would benefit from
>     Frank> knowing this, although I am suprised that he doesn't consider RPC and CORBA to be the
>     Frank> bedrock of object/component reuse enabled?
> Actually Gnome is using CORBA(through the bonobo component set) but CORBA is not a set
> of components, you have to write it by yourself. It seems that he has a bad time(with
> his company helixcode http://www.helixcode.com) developping gnome and the set of components
> (they are mainly using C as the main language) and that's why he is angry at unix/linux.
>

I read the article. He has a point, but is shortsighted. If you would like we can discuss distributed
framework components that realize both business processing models and business processing rules, vs. the
application rules. But there is a tremendous amount of work being done on UNIX/LINUX towards achieving
these goals.

check out http://www.semanticweb.org , this is the kind of work I am involved with on a day to day
basis.

frank

Re: [Corelinux-develop] time for advertisement

[Frank V. C. <fr...@co...>]

Christophe Prud'homme wrote:

>     Frank> Great reference, but without the frameworks I fear the core is not enough to compare yet.
>     Frank> This, obviously, is the goal of CoreLinux++ and as such Mr. Iguaza would benefit from
>     Frank> knowing this, although I am suprised that he doesn't consider RPC and CORBA to be the
>     Frank> bedrock of object/component reuse enabled?
> Actually Gnome is using CORBA(through the bonobo component set) but CORBA is not a set
> of components, you have to write it by yourself. It seems that he has a bad time(with
> his company helixcode http://www.helixcode.com) developping gnome and the set of components
> (they are mainly using C as the main language) and that's why he is angry at unix/linux.

Take a look at the SourceForge MMXX project as well.

>
>
>     Frank> Oh, well, anyone want to wear a publicist hat?
> did you send the 0.4.25 to freshmeat ?

Yes, freshmeat is one of the three (3) I always go and do:

freshmeat
LinuxApp
AppWatch

Re: [Corelinux-develop] time for advertisement

[Christophe Prud'h. <pru...@MI...>]

    Frank> Great reference, but without the frameworks I fear the core is not enough to compare yet.
    Frank> This, obviously, is the goal of CoreLinux++ and as such Mr. Iguaza would benefit from
    Frank> knowing this, although I am suprised that he doesn't consider RPC and CORBA to be the
    Frank> bedrock of object/component reuse enabled?
Actually Gnome is using CORBA(through the bonobo component set) but CORBA is not a set 
of components, you have to write it by yourself. It seems that he has a bad time(with 
his company helixcode http://www.helixcode.com) developping gnome and the set of components
(they are mainly using C as the main language) and that's why he is angry at unix/linux.


    Frank> Oh, well, anyone want to wear a publicist hat?
did you send the 0.4.25 to freshmeat ?

Re: [Corelinux-develop] time for advertisement

[Frank V. C. <fr...@co...>]

Great reference, but without the frameworks I fear the core is not enough to compare yet.
This, obviously, is the goal of CoreLinux++ and as such Mr. Iguaza would benefit from knowing this, although I am suprised
that he doesn't consider RPC and CORBA to be the bedrock of object/component reuse enabled?

Oh, well, anyone want to wear a publicist hat?

Christophe Prud'homme wrote:

> Hi,
>
> according to this article written by M de Iguaza (orthograph surely faulty)
> the main guy behind gnome politics
>           http://lwn.net/
> Quote:
> "Miguel is an open admirer of how Microsoft does software development. Microsoft's applications are built from components,
> which are highly reusable. That not only helps Microsoft; it enables independent developers to make use of high-level
> components from Office, Internet Explorer, and other applications. Linux has no equivalent set of components, and suffers
> from a much lower level of code reuse.
> "
>
> Unfortunately Miguel does not seem to know corelinux :)
> we are still in the dark side
> at least it is time to make ourself known
>
> regards
> C.
>
> --
>   Christophe Prud'homme                 |
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>   Cambridge MA 02139                    |  all the lawyers.
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[Corelinux-develop] time for advertisement

[Christophe Prud'h. <pru...@MI...>]

Hi,

according to this article written by M de Iguaza (orthograph surely faulty)
the main guy behind gnome politics
	  http://lwn.net/
Quote:
"Miguel is an open admirer of how Microsoft does software development. Microsoft's applications are built from components,
which are highly reusable. That not only helps Microsoft; it enables independent developers to make use of high-level
components from Office, Internet Explorer, and other applications. Linux has no equivalent set of components, and suffers
from a much lower level of code reuse. 
"

Unfortunately Miguel does not seem to know corelinux :)
we are still in the dark side
at least it is time to make ourself known 

regards
C.

-- 
  Christophe Prud'homme                 |
  MIT, 77, Mass Ave, Rm 3-243           |  The first thing we do, let's kill
  Cambridge MA 02139                    |  all the lawyers.
  Tel (Office) : (00 1) (617) 253 0229  |  -- Wm. Shakespeare,
  Fax (Office) : (00 1) (617) 258 8559  |  "Henry VI", Part IV
  http://augustine.mit.edu/~prudhomm    |
                          Following the hacker spirit

Re: [Corelinux-develop] Released and tagged

[Hans - D. <dul...@eg...>]

On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Frank V. Castellucci wrote:

> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:00:29 -0400
> From: Frank V. Castellucci <fr...@co...>
> Reply-To: cor...@li...
> To: cor...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Corelinux-develop] Released and tagged
> 
> Hans - Dulimarta wrote:
> > 
> > On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Frank V. Castellucci wrote:
> > 
> > > Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:03:26 -0400
> > > From: Frank V. Castellucci <fr...@co...>
> > > Reply-To: cor...@li...
> > > To: CoreLinux Development <cor...@li...>
> > > Subject: [Corelinux-develop] Released and tagged
> > >
> > > I release 0.4.25 and 'cvs tag rel-0-4-25' for both source and
> > > documentation.
> > >
> > > Christophe, I pushed the patch submission (submittor did not leave name)
> > > over to you. I am working on the shared library loader at this point.
> > >
> > > Hans, theres still opens in the Semaphore, Threads, and Signals (in
> > > BugTracking), or there is documentation, or?.... what would you guys be
> > > interested in? Or what should WE be interested in?
> > 
> > I'll go by alphabetical order: Semaphore, Signals, and then Threads. Also,
> 
> For Semaphores we still need a EventSemaphore solution, and semaphores
> in general need a timeout solution. Signals are non-existent at the
> moment, and that is the last piece of work on the Thread model, how to
> manage signals on a per thread interest level.

OK, I'll take a look at this.

> 
> > I'll concurrently work with the documentations. In the 0.4.25 release, I
> > mainly spent my time on oostnd.tex and cppstnd.tex. The other documents
> > were browsed without detail comprehension.
> 
> The one that could stand the most work is the one that requires the most
> hands on, the Developers Guide.
>

I'll take a look of this, too.
 
> BTW: Was it you that submitted the patch on the project summary page
> PatchManager?
> 
> 

No, I did not.

-- 
Hans Dulimarta, Ph.D.             dulimart@[egr.msu.edu, computer.org]
Visiting Research Associate         http://www.egr.msu.edu/%7edulimart   
                           Ph: (517)432-7589  Fax2Email: (760)281-7691
Elec. & Comp. Engg., Michigan State University, East Lansing, MI 48824

Re: [Corelinux-develop] Released and tagged

[Frank V. C. <fr...@co...>]

Hans - Dulimarta wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Frank V. Castellucci wrote:
> 
> > Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:03:26 -0400
> > From: Frank V. Castellucci <fr...@co...>
> > Reply-To: cor...@li...
> > To: CoreLinux Development <cor...@li...>
> > Subject: [Corelinux-develop] Released and tagged
> >
> > I release 0.4.25 and 'cvs tag rel-0-4-25' for both source and
> > documentation.
> >
> > Christophe, I pushed the patch submission (submittor did not leave name)
> > over to you. I am working on the shared library loader at this point.
> >
> > Hans, theres still opens in the Semaphore, Threads, and Signals (in
> > BugTracking), or there is documentation, or?.... what would you guys be
> > interested in? Or what should WE be interested in?
> 
> I'll go by alphabetical order: Semaphore, Signals, and then Threads. Also,

For Semaphores we still need a EventSemaphore solution, and semaphores
in general need a timeout solution. Signals are non-existent at the
moment, and that is the last piece of work on the Thread model, how to
manage signals on a per thread interest level.

> I'll concurrently work with the documentations. In the 0.4.25 release, I
> mainly spent my time on oostnd.tex and cppstnd.tex. The other documents
> were browsed without detail comprehension.

The one that could stand the most work is the one that requires the most
hands on, the Developers Guide.

BTW: Was it you that submitted the patch on the project summary page
PatchManager?

-- 
Frank V. Castellucci

Re: [Corelinux-develop] Released and tagged

[Hans - D. <dul...@eg...>]

On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Frank V. Castellucci wrote:

> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:03:26 -0400
> From: Frank V. Castellucci <fr...@co...>
> Reply-To: cor...@li...
> To: CoreLinux Development <cor...@li...>
> Subject: [Corelinux-develop] Released and tagged
> 
> I release 0.4.25 and 'cvs tag rel-0-4-25' for both source and
> documentation.
> 
> Christophe, I pushed the patch submission (submittor did not leave name)
> over to you. I am working on the shared library loader at this point.
> 
> Hans, theres still opens in the Semaphore, Threads, and Signals (in
> BugTracking), or there is documentation, or?.... what would you guys be
> interested in? Or what should WE be interested in?

I'll go by alphabetical order: Semaphore, Signals, and then Threads. Also,
I'll concurrently work with the documentations. In the 0.4.25 release, I
mainly spent my time on oostnd.tex and cppstnd.tex. The other documents
were browsed without detail comprehension.

> 
> 

-- 
Hans Dulimarta, Ph.D.             dulimart@[egr.msu.edu, computer.org]
Visiting Research Associate         http://www.egr.msu.edu/%7edulimart   
                           Ph: (517)432-7589  Fax2Email: (760)281-7691
Elec. & Comp. Engg., Michigan State University, East Lansing, MI 48824

[Corelinux-develop] bug in copyright corrected

[Christophe Prud'h. <pru...@MI...>]

Hi

I just commited the bug fix for the copyright under html format!


regards
C.

Re: [Corelinux-develop] logo

[Frank V. C. <fr...@co...>]

Christophe Prud'homme wrote:
> 
> I saw that you need a logo
> 
> I can make a few of them and we can create a contest :) on the web
> site
> 
> C.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Cor...@li...
> http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/corelinux-develop

Sounds good to me, didn't know you were so inclined. Should I take the
job posting off?

-- 
Frank V. Castellucci

[Corelinux-develop] future

[Christophe Prud'h. <pru...@MI...>]

Hi,

what I am envisioning on my side for a near future
- still work on packaging
  create a spec file for redhat
  package doc + examples
- port to other C++ compiler, I have pgCC here at work 
- bug fixes if needed
- better install procedure (don't install the examples ...)

regards
C.

-- 
     Christophe Prud'homme                    |
     MIT, 77, Mass Ave, Rm 3-243              |     To err is human,
     Cambridge MA 02139                       |     to repent, divine,
     Tel (Office) : (00 1) (617) 253 0229     |     to persist, devilish.
     Fax (Office) : (00 1) (617) 258 8559     |     -- Benjamin Franklin
     http://augustine.mit.edu/~prudhomm       |
                          Following the hacker spirit

[Corelinux-develop] logo

[Christophe Prud'h. <pru...@MI...>]

I saw that you need a logo

I can make a few of them and we can create a contest :) on the web 
site 

C.

[Corelinux-develop] Released and tagged

[Frank V. C. <fr...@co...>]

I release 0.4.25 and 'cvs tag rel-0-4-25' for both source and
documentation.

Christophe, I pushed the patch submission (submittor did not leave name)
over to you. I am working on the shared library loader at this point.

Hans, theres still opens in the Semaphore, Threads, and Signals (in
BugTracking), or there is documentation, or?.... what would you guys be
interested in? Or what should WE be interested in?

-- 
Frank V. Castellucci

[Corelinux-develop] SourceForge still whacked

[Frank V. C. <fr...@co...>]

Getting denied access on download.sourceforge.net/incoming which is
where you put the release to capture it from the project page. Seems
many others are having same problems.

Oh well, will try again later or tommorow.

Christophe,
I ended up copying the files to the /ftp/pub/corelinux anyway. They is
the anonymous ftp location.

-- 
Frank V. Castellucci

Re: [Corelinux-develop] New week

[Christophe Prud'h. <pru...@MI...>]

Hi,

Ok the newly freshly packages(.deb and .rpm) are in /home/groups/corelinux

C.

Re: [Corelinux-develop] New week

[Frank V. C. <fr...@co...>]

Christophe Prud'homme wrote:

>     Frank> Hope you had a good weekend!
> well I screwed up my knee while playing football(soccer) :(

Careful, I did the same thing and as I get older, it isn't getting
better.

> but I enjoyed the XMen

Nice, I sat around waiting for SourceForge to go live and your out
enjoying the one movie I have been waiting for since 1972.

> I will put the files at the end of the afternoon
>
> C.
>

Frank

Re: [Corelinux-develop] New week

[Hans - D. <dul...@eg...>]

On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Christophe Prud'homme wrote:

> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:37:11 -0500 (EST)
> From: Christophe Prud'homme <pru...@MI...>
> Reply-To: cor...@li...
> To: cor...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Corelinux-develop] New week
> 
>     Frank> Hope you had a good weekend!
> well I screwed up my knee while playing football(soccer) :(
> but I enjoyed the XMen
> 

Hope you are feeling better now.

> I will put the files at the end of the afternoon
> 
> C.
> 
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> http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/corelinux-develop
> 

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Hans Dulimarta, Ph.D.             dulimart@[egr.msu.edu, computer.org]
Visiting Research Associate         http://www.egr.msu.edu/%7edulimart   
                           Ph: (517)432-7589  Fax2Email: (760)281-7691
Elec. & Comp. Engg., Michigan State University, East Lansing, MI 48824

Re: [Corelinux-develop] New week

[Christophe Prud'h. <pru...@MI...>]

    Frank> Hope you had a good weekend!
well I screwed up my knee while playing football(soccer) :(
but I enjoyed the XMen

I will put the files at the end of the afternoon

C.

Re: [Corelinux-develop] New week

[Frank V. C. <fr...@co...>]

/home/groups/ftp/pub/corelinux

you may need to delete the ones there. If there are any probs, put them
in where you said.

I am running out of time this morning, but can get the release(s) out
tonight.

Hope you had a good weekend!

Christophe Prud'homme wrote:
> 
> ok the packages are done
> where do I put them ?
> 
> /home/groups/corelinux/packages ?
> 
> C.
> 
> --
>      Christophe Prud'homme                    |
>      MIT, 77, Mass Ave, Rm 3-243              |
>      Cambridge MA 02139                       |     Friends are relatives
>      Tel (Office) : (00 1) (617) 253 0229     |     you make for yourself.
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>      http://augustine.mit.edu/~prudhomm       |
>                           Following the hacker spirit
> 

-- 
Frank V. Castellucci

Re: [Corelinux-develop] New week

[Christophe Prud'h. <pru...@MI...>]

ok the packages are done
where do I put them ?

/home/groups/corelinux/packages ?

C.

-- 
     Christophe Prud'homme                    |
     MIT, 77, Mass Ave, Rm 3-243              |
     Cambridge MA 02139                       |     Friends are relatives
     Tel (Office) : (00 1) (617) 253 0229     |     you make for yourself.
     Fax (Office) : (00 1) (617) 258 8559     |
     http://augustine.mit.edu/~prudhomm       |
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[Corelinux-develop] New week

[Frank V. C. <fr...@co...>]

Ok, as soon as SourceForge gets it's act together and stays running for
more than 2 minutes I can manage to release 0.4.25.tar.gz and when C.
gets to the packages up I can post those as well.

In the meantime, still curious as to how you guys want to proceed.

-- 
Frank V. Castellucci

[Corelinux-develop] Ok, source all checked in, your ball Christophe

[Frank V. C. <fr...@co...>]

Ok,
You can create the packages when you want. Let me know when you are done
and I will upload all for release.

Nice work you guys, for once I didn't really contribute and enjoyed the
break! 

-- 
Frank V. Castellucci

Re: [Corelinux-develop] .changes and .dsc

[Frank V. C. <fr...@co...>]

Christophe Prud'homme wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "Frank" == Frank V Castellucci <fr...@co...> writes:
> 
>     Frank> Ummm,errr,uugghhh, does that mean we release them? <grin>
> No,
> it means that we will need these files if corelinux
> makes it to the next debian distrib. Otherwise the .deb are sufficient.
> you can remove them.
> If sourceforge decides to provide debian support one day we will be able
> to setup a debian server  providing corelinux.
> 
> regards
> C.
> 

Sounds good to me! Ok, just *.deb *.rpm, got it.

-- 
Frank V. Castellucci

Re: [Corelinux-develop] .changes and .dsc

[Christophe Prud'h. <pru...@MI...>]

>>>>> "Frank" == Frank V Castellucci <fr...@co...> writes:

    Frank> Ummm,errr,uugghhh, does that mean we release them? <grin>
No,
it means that we will need these files if corelinux
makes it to the next debian distrib. Otherwise the .deb are sufficient.
you can remove them.
If sourceforge decides to provide debian support one day we will be able
to setup a debian server  providing corelinux.

regards
C.

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 Christophe Prud'homme                | Pierre: Je suis désolé Thérèse, je ne
 MIT, 77, Mass Ave, Rm 3-243          |         sais pas ce qui m'a pris...
 Cambridge MA 02139                   |         c'est une catastrophe.
 Tel (Office) : (00 1) (617) 253 0229 | Thérèse: Ce n'est rien Pierre,
 Fax (Office) : (00 1) (617) 258 8559 |          je n'ai rien senti....
 http://augustine.mit.edu/~prudhomm   | -- Le Pere Noel est une ordure
                          Following the hacker spirit

Re: [Corelinux-develop] .changes and .dsc

[Frank V. C. <fr...@co...>]

Christophe Prud'homme wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "Frank" == Frank V Castellucci <fr...@co...> writes:
> 
>     Frank> Christophe, What is the signifigance of the files mentioned in the subject?  Are they
>     Frank> needed to be part of the release?
> they are needed if we want corelinux to be a part of
> debian ! I was a debian developper in the past but due
> to heavy work, I had to stop this activity. But now
> that I am working on projects with debian packages I can be one again
> I have to sign some stuff etc. Otherwise they are not really needed.
> 
> Debian has the most powerful tool to upgrade the system
> you have a local database(built upon the .dsc) and there are
> some debian servers whole around the world which allow you
>  to upgrade your local database and then upgrade the softwares.
> No other distribution has such an automatic tool
> (they couldn't sell CDs with such a tool available :) )
> 
> regards
> C.

Ummm,errr,uugghhh, does that mean we release them? <grin> 

-- 
Frank V. Castellucci