From: Jaroslaw K. <ja...@zd...> - 2004-04-13 19:57:43
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It's there. Feel free to download it and send your comments. Jarek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jaroslaw Kowalski" <ja...@zd...> To: <wa...@co...>; <col...@li...> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [coLinux-devel] Help on Fedora > I'm just uploading a package containing Fedora Core 1 root image + config > file + kernel + setup instructions. > > In about 30 minutes it will be available at: > > http://jaak.sav.net/colinux/ > > The file is about 70 MBs in size and contains a 2GB root image + bzipped > swapfiles for your convenience. Fedora is quite minimal and contains nothing > but the core packages. It has "vim" and "nano" text editors "apt-get" to > update and install new software. > > I used the latest snapshot of CoLinux > > http://www.colinux.org/snapshots/coLinux-20040411-2.exe) > > Haven't tested it against 0.6.0. > > Jarek > > P.S. The bandwidth at sav.net is not infinite, so it would be great if > someone could put this on sourceforge. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <wa...@co...> > To: <col...@li...> > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 4:48 PM > Subject: [coLinux-devel] Help on Fedora > > > > Is there a good resource or "how-to" on how I could use the Fedora distro > on colinux, vs. the Debian or Gentoo images that are available? > > > > Thanks! > > > > -- > > Scott Ware > > wa...@co... > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials > > Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of > > GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system > > administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click > > _______________________________________________ > > coLinux-devel mailing list > > coL...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/colinux-devel > > > |
From: morfic <mo...@bb...> - 2004-04-14 01:50:39
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why waste everyone's time with a fedora image that is no longer fedora i would have enjoyed trying fedora this way, unfortunately tools are missing, especially yum, the core package manager of fedora if you want to help people run images other than gentoo and debian, do not force your own preferences onto them by removing tools you personally dont like "quite minimal" does in no way say "here, it was fedora, but i managed to butcher it enough to a point i could name it anything i want" thanks for your effort Jaroslaw Kowalski wrote: >It's there. Feel free to download it and send your comments. > >Jarek >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jaroslaw Kowalski" <ja...@zd...> >To: <wa...@co...>; <col...@li...> >Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 9:32 PM >Subject: Re: [coLinux-devel] Help on Fedora > > > > >>I'm just uploading a package containing Fedora Core 1 root image + config >>file + kernel + setup instructions. >> >>In about 30 minutes it will be available at: >> >>http://jaak.sav.net/colinux/ >> >>The file is about 70 MBs in size and contains a 2GB root image + bzipped >>swapfiles for your convenience. Fedora is quite minimal and contains >> >> >nothing > > >>but the core packages. It has "vim" and "nano" text editors "apt-get" to >>update and install new software. >> >>I used the latest snapshot of CoLinux >> >>http://www.colinux.org/snapshots/coLinux-20040411-2.exe) >> >>Haven't tested it against 0.6.0. >> >>Jarek >> >>P.S. The bandwidth at sav.net is not infinite, so it would be great if >>someone could put this on sourceforge. >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: <wa...@co...> >>To: <col...@li...> >>Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 4:48 PM >>Subject: [coLinux-devel] Help on Fedora >> >> >> >> >>>Is there a good resource or "how-to" on how I could use the Fedora >>> >>> >distro > > >>on colinux, vs. the Debian or Gentoo images that are available? >> >> >>>Thanks! >>> >>>-- >>>Scott Ware >>>wa...@co... >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------- >>>This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials >>>Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of >>>GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system >>>administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click >>>_______________________________________________ >>>coLinux-devel mailing list >>>coL...@li... >>>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/colinux-devel >>> >>> >>> > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials >Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of >GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system >administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click >_______________________________________________ >coLinux-devel mailing list >coL...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/colinux-devel > > > > |
From: Dan M. <dmi...@ca...> - 2004-04-14 02:25:31
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Thanks for the image Jarek... The FC image is a fantastic time-saver. morfic wrote: > why waste everyone's time with a fedora image that is no longer fedora Okay... if you don't like apt for whatever reason, use it once: "apt-get install yum" Not exactly a massive hardship.... sheesh. For what it's worth, you can apt/yum it to whatever you think a 'real' FC install is... all the tools necessary to get the job done easily are 'in there'. D. |
From: morfic <mo...@bb...> - 2004-04-14 02:43:05
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i was commenting on the pressumptiousness of removing a core tool, what you insiuate i should do would be better directed at the individual who decided to get his "real" fedora/taste spread you say a missing "setup" is having all the tools to get the job done in there? :) and why install yum? it's part of a plain install and you have to put forth effort to remove it to spread your "real" fedora, it was he who put his taste forth, i simple sought out an opportunity to try either im not asking to get an image "to my taste" rather than that i say "don't suggest what you prefer is what everyone should use, especially if setup is missing" (no, no mention of setup in initial email) how is it a time saver if you have to bring it back to a decent unaltered state not that big of a deal, i just wont use it i just wonder what Gentoo users would say if someone had a great Gentoo timesaver that turns out to be debian? (smile, im joking ;P) Dan Milisic wrote: > Thanks for the image Jarek... The FC image is a fantastic time-saver. > > morfic wrote: > >> why waste everyone's time with a fedora image that is no longer fedora > > > Okay... if you don't like apt for whatever reason, use it once: > "apt-get install yum" > > Not exactly a massive hardship.... sheesh. > > For what it's worth, you can apt/yum it to whatever you think a 'real' > FC install is... all the tools necessary to get the job done easily > are 'in there'. > > D. > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials > Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of > GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system > administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click > _______________________________________________ > coLinux-devel mailing list > coL...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/colinux-devel > > |
From: Jaroslaw K. <ja...@zd...> - 2004-04-14 05:38:48
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Sorry about that missing "yum". You're right - it shouldn't be called fedora anymore. I suggest "minimal working Fedora with apt-get". I wanted the image to be small, so instead of installing the full fedora on a partition and then dumping it to a file I started with a file and kept adding packages until I managed to bootstrap the base system without any unnecessary libraries. Basically what you're getting is: * everything needed to boot fedora and get the bash prompt (SysV init scripts and config stuff) * basic unix utilities * openssh client/server * nano text editor * vim text editor * apt-get o get anything else that might be needed. I've developed a script that produces this base system in a reliable and reproducible manner. The resulting filesystem is 280MB uncompressed which is about 200MB less than minimal fedora I could get using anaconda. apt-get is pretty good at geting the missing stuff after that. I was never successful at using YUM so obviously I forgot to include it. Looks like the tool can easily eat the whole available bandwidth downloading package headers yet it's about 30 times slower than apt-get (I'm using a low-latency, 512 kbps link). I never actually understood how one could prefer it to apt-get which is blazing fast. Jarek BTW. I'll update the image to contain "yum" package today. ----- Original Message ----- From: "morfic" <mo...@bb...> To: "Dan Milisic" <dmi...@ca...> Cc: <col...@li...> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 4:43 AM Subject: Re: [coLinux-devel] Help on Fedora > i was commenting on the pressumptiousness of removing a core tool, what > you insiuate i should do would be better directed at the individual who > decided to get his "real" fedora/taste spread > you say a missing "setup" is having all the tools to get the job done in > there? :) > and why install yum? it's part of a plain install and you have to put > forth effort to remove it to spread your "real" fedora, it was he who > put his taste forth, i simple sought out an opportunity to try either > im not asking to get an image "to my taste" rather than that i say > "don't suggest what you prefer is what everyone should use, especially > if setup is missing" (no, no mention of setup in initial email) > how is it a time saver if you have to bring it back to a decent > unaltered state > > not that big of a deal, i just wont use it > i just wonder what Gentoo users would say if someone had a great Gentoo > timesaver that turns out to be debian? (smile, im joking ;P) > > > Dan Milisic wrote: > > > Thanks for the image Jarek... The FC image is a fantastic time-saver. > > > > morfic wrote: > > > >> why waste everyone's time with a fedora image that is no longer fedora > > > > > > Okay... if you don't like apt for whatever reason, use it once: > > "apt-get install yum" > > > > Not exactly a massive hardship.... sheesh. > > > > For what it's worth, you can apt/yum it to whatever you think a 'real' > > FC install is... all the tools necessary to get the job done easily > > are 'in there'. > > > > D. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials > > Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of > > GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system > > administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click > > _______________________________________________ > > coLinux-devel mailing list > > coL...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/colinux-devel > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials > Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of > GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system > administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click > _______________________________________________ > coLinux-devel mailing list > coL...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/colinux-devel > |
From: Jaroslaw K. <ja...@zd...> - 2004-04-14 08:52:59
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Hi guys! I've put an updated "colinux_minimal_fedora_core_1.zip" package that also contains yum and all the dependencies necessary to run it. I've also enhanced the description of the installation process and I've provided a step-by-step instructions for running CoLinux with Gnome that comes with Fedora over a VNC session. Also included is a two-line howto for running synaptic and downloading updated packages. You can find everything here: http://jaak.sav.net/colinux/ Any feedback is welcome. Feel free to include this information in the wiki or a FAQ. Dan, if you find this release satisfactory, can you please put it on sourceforge ? Jarek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jaroslaw Kowalski" <ja...@zd...> To: "morfic" <mo...@bb...>; "Dan Milisic" <dmi...@ca...> Cc: <col...@li...> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [coLinux-devel] Help on Fedora > Sorry about that missing "yum". You're right - it shouldn't be called fedora > anymore. I suggest "minimal working Fedora with apt-get". > > I wanted the image to be small, so instead of installing the full fedora on > a partition and then dumping it to a file I started with a file and kept > adding packages until I managed to bootstrap the base system without any > unnecessary libraries. > > Basically what you're getting is: > > * everything needed to boot fedora and get the bash prompt (SysV init > scripts and config stuff) > * basic unix utilities > * openssh client/server > * nano text editor > * vim text editor > * apt-get o get anything else that might be needed. > > I've developed a script that produces this base system in a reliable and > reproducible manner. The resulting filesystem is 280MB uncompressed which is > about 200MB less than minimal fedora I could get using anaconda. apt-get is > pretty good at geting the missing stuff after that. > > I was never successful at using YUM so obviously I forgot to include it. > Looks like the tool can easily eat the whole available bandwidth downloading > package headers yet it's about 30 times slower than apt-get (I'm using a > low-latency, 512 kbps link). I never actually understood how one could > prefer it to apt-get which is blazing fast. > > Jarek > > BTW. I'll update the image to contain "yum" package today. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "morfic" <mo...@bb...> > To: "Dan Milisic" <dmi...@ca...> > Cc: <col...@li...> > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 4:43 AM > Subject: Re: [coLinux-devel] Help on Fedora > > > > i was commenting on the pressumptiousness of removing a core tool, what > > you insiuate i should do would be better directed at the individual who > > decided to get his "real" fedora/taste spread > > you say a missing "setup" is having all the tools to get the job done in > > there? :) > > and why install yum? it's part of a plain install and you have to put > > forth effort to remove it to spread your "real" fedora, it was he who > > put his taste forth, i simple sought out an opportunity to try either > > im not asking to get an image "to my taste" rather than that i say > > "don't suggest what you prefer is what everyone should use, especially > > if setup is missing" (no, no mention of setup in initial email) > > how is it a time saver if you have to bring it back to a decent > > unaltered state > > > > not that big of a deal, i just wont use it > > i just wonder what Gentoo users would say if someone had a great Gentoo > > timesaver that turns out to be debian? (smile, im joking ;P) > > > > > > Dan Milisic wrote: > > > > > Thanks for the image Jarek... The FC image is a fantastic time-saver. > > > > > > morfic wrote: > > > > > >> why waste everyone's time with a fedora image that is no longer fedora > > > > > > > > > Okay... if you don't like apt for whatever reason, use it once: > > > "apt-get install yum" > > > > > > Not exactly a massive hardship.... sheesh. > > > > > > For what it's worth, you can apt/yum it to whatever you think a 'real' > > > FC install is... all the tools necessary to get the job done easily > > > are 'in there'. > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials > > > Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of > > > GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system > > > administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click > > > _______________________________________________ > > > coLinux-devel mailing list > > > coL...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/colinux-devel > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials > > Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of > > GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system > > administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click > > _______________________________________________ > > coLinux-devel mailing list > > coL...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/colinux-devel > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials > Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of > GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system > administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click > _______________________________________________ > coLinux-devel mailing list > coL...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/colinux-devel > |
From: Dan A. <da...@co...> - 2004-04-14 11:45:11
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On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 10:54:54AM +0200, Jaroslaw Kowalski wrote: > Dan, if you find this release satisfactory, can you please put it on > sourceforge ? Done. http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=98788&package_id=108058 -- Dan Aloni da...@co... |
From: tei <42...@in...> - 2004-04-14 19:09:10
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Sorry for my broken english. Ignore dificult/imposible to understand. Debian, Gentoo and fedora images all use diferent configuration files for network setup. Its usefull to use coLinux to learn this differences withouth messing with huge CD downloads. Thanks to all image creators, and to all people triing to improve these images with is feedback. I not agree morfic, but its good feedback. Some people will spect the same taste of image design. My reasons to disagree is that for testing purposes and cfg learning can be better a smaller download. Also looks like dificult to get big files hosted/mirrored. Removing a lovable tool can be needed to achieve a very small image download. Reporting about this important deleted tool in the readme can be a good idea. I actually think the fedora1 packaging method was *excellent*: - provide all files needed. xml config, main image, swap image.. - small download - very informative readme file, with examples of use. Related: Hummm.... I think fullfilling the request at "documentation, icons" thread will make the coLinux package much more usable. I have already provide a icon, but is lame, and is derived work. Other people may download and edit the wiki help pages (coLinuxNetworking and other pages) with a consistent style and send to the developers. I suggest "running as service" where the main suggested method, has is very smooth and generate good feelings about the coLinux stability. I, for one, somethimes close by mistake coLinux in app mode. AND looks like much more easy to open a shell and type 'net start coLinux' than everything (Helll... looks like I am a console zealot or what?) Sorry my bad english and this long long post. morfic escribió: > i was commenting on the pressumptiousness of removing a core tool, what > you insiuate i should do would be better directed at the individual who > decided to get his "real" fedora/taste spread > you say a missing "setup" is having all the tools to get the job done in > there? :) > and why install yum? it's part of a plain install and you have to put > forth effort to remove it to spread your "real" fedora, it was he who > put his taste forth, i simple sought out an opportunity to try either > im not asking to get an image "to my taste" rather than that i say > "don't suggest what you prefer is what everyone should use, especially > if setup is missing" (no, no mention of setup in initial email) > how is it a time saver if you have to bring it back to a decent > unaltered state > > not that big of a deal, i just wont use it > i just wonder what Gentoo users would say if someone had a great Gentoo > timesaver that turns out to be debian? (smile, im joking ;P) > > > Dan Milisic wrote: > >> Thanks for the image Jarek... The FC image is a fantastic time-saver. >> >> morfic wrote: >> >>> why waste everyone's time with a fedora image that is no longer fedora >> >> |