cluecc-users — General Clue discussion

[Cluecc-users] Migration to Mercurial

[David G. <dg...@co...>]

In the unlikely event that anyone is actually using the version of Clue
from SVN: I have just migrated it to the Mercurial DVCS instead. The SVN
repository will not go away, but it won't be updated any more.

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Re: [Cluecc-users] Problem while building Clue

[David G. <dg...@co...>]

On 16/03/13 20:07, Max Grigorev wrote:
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> pm: rule engine execution error --- traceback follows:
> pm:   pmlib/c.pm:95
> pm:   pmlib/c.pm:115
[...]
> pm:   pmlib/c.pm:115
> pm:   pmlib/c.pm:129
> pm:   pmlib/c.pm:180
> pm: error: pmlib/c.pm:95: stack overflow

I've never seen that before --- I think you've run into a bug in the
build system, which shouldn't happen.

> I don't think I'm doing anything wrong - I just installed Spase
> v.0.4.3 and am running `./pm` - but if I do I would appreciate a hint.

Clue does require a patched version of 0.4.1 of Sparse, and won't work
with anything else. Try this:

http://ftp.be.debian.org/pub/software/devel/sparse/dist/sparse-0.4.1.tar.bz2

...and, of course, you'll need the patch in the clue source directory.
See the README for instructions. (Remember you'll need to uninstall
0.4.3 first.)

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[Cluecc-users] Problem while building Clue

[Max G. <for...@gm...>]

Hey,

I am trying to build Clue on Linux but can't get it to:

pm: rule engine execution error --- traceback follows:
pm:   pmlib/c.pm:95
pm:   pmlib/c.pm:115
pm:   pmlib/c.pm:115
pm:   pmlib/c.pm:115
... // many more lines like this
pm:   pmlib/c.pm:115
pm:   pmlib/c.pm:115
pm:   pmlib/c.pm:115
pm:   pmlib/c.pm:129
pm:   pmlib/c.pm:180
pm: error: pmlib/c.pm:95: stack overflow

I don't think I'm doing anything wrong - I just installed Spase
v.0.4.3 and am running `./pm` - but if I do I would appreciate a hint.

Thanks!

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Re: [Cluecc-users] Old Version of Sparse does not compile anymore.

[David G. <dg...@co...>]

On 10/03/13 15:29, Michael K wrote:
[...]
> And Lua5.2 has a goto statement. But working without goto is the core
> feature of cluecc for me. Maybe I have the time to work on a lua5.2
> backend.

I have, actually, just gotten that working. The Whetstone benchmarks are:

gcc directly:       2582
clue -> LuaJIT:     2482
clue -> C:          2361
clue -> Java:        784
clue -> Javascript:  105
clue -> Perl:          2.7

...which is rather encouraging.

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Re: [Cluecc-users] Old Version of Sparse does not compile anymore.

[Michael K <mic...@rw...>]

Am Sonntag, den 10.03.2013, 15:03 +0000 schrieb David Given:
> On 10/03/13 00:05, Michael K wrote:
> [...]
> > I'm still interested in cluecc, even in the age of emscripten. I tried
> > to build cluecc, but that does not work anymore. 
> 
> Gosh, I'd totally forgotten about that. You're right, it's broken.
> 
> The simple solution is to simply comment out the offending line of
> parse.h --- everything appears to work without it. I'll update the patch
> and push out another version (I want to get LuaJIT2 working, anyway).
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And Lua5.2 has a goto statement. But working without goto is the core
feature of cluecc for me. Maybe I have the time to work on a lua5.2
backend.

http://lua-users.org/wiki/GotoStatement

Re: [Cluecc-users] Old Version of Sparse does not compile anymore.

[David G. <dg...@co...>]

On 10/03/13 00:05, Michael K wrote:
[...]
> I'm still interested in cluecc, even in the age of emscripten. I tried
> to build cluecc, but that does not work anymore. 

Gosh, I'd totally forgotten about that. You're right, it's broken.

The simple solution is to simply comment out the offending line of
parse.h --- everything appears to work without it. I'll update the patch
and push out another version (I want to get LuaJIT2 working, anyway).

Thanks!

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[Cluecc-users] Old Version of Sparse does not compile anymore.

[Michael K <mic...@rw...>]

Hi,
I'm still interested in cluecc, even in the age of emscripten. I tried
to build cluecc, but that does not work anymore. 

$ wget
http://ftp.be.debian.org/pub/software/devel/sparse/dist/sparse-0.4.1.tar.bz2

$ tar -xjf s*

$ cd s*

$ patch -p1 < ../clue-0.5/sparse.patch

patching file compile-i386.c
patching file evaluate.c
Hunk #3 succeeded at 578 (offset -1 lines).
Hunk #4 succeeded at 826 (offset -5 lines).
Hunk #5 succeeded at 1579 (offset -12 lines).
Hunk #6 succeeded at 1717 (offset -10 lines).
Hunk #7 succeeded at 1938 (offset -11 lines).
Hunk #8 succeeded at 2026 (offset -11 lines).
Hunk #9 succeeded at 2060 (offset -11 lines).
Hunk #10 succeeded at 2147 (offset -11 lines).
Hunk #11 succeeded at 2852 (offset -13 lines).
patching file example.c
patching file expand.c
patching file flow.c
patching file linearize.c
patching file linearize.h
patching file show-parse.c
Hunk #1 succeeded at 667 (offset -6 lines).
patching file simplify.c
Hunk #1 succeeded at 637 (offset -55 lines).
patching file symbol.c
patching file target.h
patching file tokenize.c

$ make
     CC       test-lexing.o
     CC       target.o
     CC       parse.o
In file included from parse.c:25:0:
parse.h:63:22: error: duplicate member 'label_statement'
make: *** [parse.o] Error 1



First of all the patch does not seem to match exactly that version. C
compilers anno 2013 can't compile sparse 0.4.1 anymore. (I wonder how
they ever could, maybe there went something wrong when patching?) There
is right now sparse 0.4.4. Are there plans to update cluecc? I
unfortunately do not have the skills to do this. 

regards

Michael

Re: [Cluecc-users] (no subject)

[David G. <dg...@co...>]

On 16/10/11 20:22, Brendan Simpson wrote:
> Two things:
>  
> 1) being a unix program, will clue work on MacOSX
>         If not, I have a Ubuntu VM I can use

Not sure --- you'll have to try it and see. It doesn't do anything
particularly complicated, so it ought to work. Remember you need the
exact appropriate version of sparse, *with* the patch.

> 2) What is the proper command line syntax for implementing Clue, and
> what do the tokens do.

Don't quite follow you here, I'm afraid; if you want to know how to
*use* it, check out the USAGE section in the README.

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[Cluecc-users] (no subject)

[Brendan S. <bs...@so...>]

Two things:

1) being a unix program, will clue work on MacOSX
        If not, I have a Ubuntu VM I can use
2) What is the proper command line syntax for implementing Clue, and what do the tokens do.

Thanks,
Brendan

Re: [Cluecc-users] Cluecc-users Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1

[David G. <dg...@co...>]

On 08/01/11 16:28, Shamun toha md wrote:
[...]
> From -> C ->  Clue -> To -> C/Java/Lua/Javascript/Perl ?

This one.

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Re: [Cluecc-users] Cluecc-users Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1

[Shamun t. md <sha...@gm...>]

Hi David,

So you mean, its:

>From -> C ->  Clue -> To -> C/Java/Lua/Javascript/Perl ?

OR

>From -> C/Java/Lua/Javascript/Perl ->  Clue -> To -> C source code ?

OR

>From -> Javascript -> Clue -> To -> Java ?

Thanks & Regards
Shamun




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> Clue is replacement of GCC or C/C++ or Lua ? What can it provide us ? Write
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> of Flash/Silverlight/JavaFX functionality), can this be a alternative of
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> > replacement of Flash/Silverlight/JavaFX functionality), can this be a
> > alternative of JVM, which will allow to write application for web
> > browsers in cross platform ?
>
> None of the above. clue is an experimental compiler that will allow you
> to compile C into a bunch of other languages. It doesn't have any kind
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[Cluecc-users] Clue and Jquery ?

[Shamun t. md <sha...@gm...>]

Hello,

Is it possible for research purpose.

*jQuery -> Clue compiler -> JRtaudio (java - native access) -> C++ Rtaudio ?
*

Please advise.. how can i test some with many to many combination scenarios.

Thanks & Regards
Shamun

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Re: [Cluecc-users] Clue is ??

[David G. <dg...@co...>]

On 07/01/11 10:07, Shamun toha md wrote:
[...]
> Clue is replacement of GCC or C/C++ or Lua ? What can it provide us ?
> Write pure C with Clue ? Can i use it as Virtual Machine  (to achieve
> replacement of Flash/Silverlight/JavaFX functionality), can this be a
> alternative of JVM, which will allow to write application for web
> browsers in cross platform ?

None of the above. clue is an experimental compiler that will allow you
to compile C into a bunch of other languages. It doesn't have any kind
of VM. The sort of thing you could use it for is to compile a video
codec written in C so it ran in a Javascript web page (although I
wouldn't recommend it, given its state of bugginess).

[...]
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[Cluecc-users] Clue is ??

[Shamun t. md <sha...@gm...>]

Hello,

Clue is replacement of GCC or C/C++ or Lua ? What can it provide us ? Write
pure C with Clue ? Can i use it as Virtual Machine  (to achieve replacement
of Flash/Silverlight/JavaFX functionality), can this be a alternative of
JVM, which will allow to write application for web browsers in cross
platform ?

Great, web browser we can put audio/video with Clue virtual machine ?

Thanks & Regards
Shamun

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Re: [Cluecc-users] Lua GOTO, was Archives

[David G. <dg...@co...>]

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McKinley, Richard R wrote:
> I wanted to read up before asking a question, thanks.
> 
> Can anything be done with Lua's support for proper tail calls to rig up
> a sort of GOTO to speed things up?

Yes, I did wonder about that, and did a bit of benchmarking to see how
fast they are. The end result is that it would be perfectly possible,
with one Lua function per basic block, but that passing state between
basic blocks would require upvalues. This means every call to a C
function would have to allocate these, which I think would do poor
things for performance.

It may be worth doing anyway: I think Lua, and particularly LuaJIT, may
contain code to optimise away at least some of the allocations. However,
I rather ran out of time before getting that far.

[...]
> By the way, looking at your blog, are you in Scotland like me?

I'm Scottish, but currently living in Reading. Unfortunately...

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[Cluecc-users] Lua GOTO, was Archives

[McKinley, R. R <mck...@gm...>]

I wanted to read up before asking a question, thanks.

Can anything be done with Lua's support for proper tail calls to rig  
up a sort of GOTO to speed things up?

By the way, looking at your blog, are you in Scotland like me?

Thanks,

McKinley

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Re: [Cluecc-users] Archives

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McKinley, Richard R wrote:
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[Cluecc-users] Archives

[McKinley, R. R <mck...@gm...>]

I noticed that Source Forge is not archiving this list.  Would someone  
be able to direct me to an archive or help me with the Mailman command  
to get any archives?

Thanks,

McKinley