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[Clonezilla-live] Clonezilla deleted all files on the target partition - Data lost.

[Simon L. <si...@si...>]

Dear all Clonezilla users,

	Today, I used Clonezilla for the first time.  As a test I decided to 
see how it worked.  I used the 'clone partition to an image' option ( I 
cannot remember the exact terminology).

Clonezilla asked me where it could write the TARGET images to.  I 
instructed it to use my USB *BACKUP* disc under the directory /, 
expecting it to write a file into it.

No, it deleted everything and wrote this onto the disc partition:
# ls -l /media/1.2.2-26/
total 25
-r--r--r-- 1 sloewent root   107 2009-07-20 03:38 Clonezilla-Live-Version
-r--r--r-- 1 sloewent root 17982 2009-07-19 02:50 COPYING
dr-xr-xr-x 2 sloewent root  2048 2009-07-20 03:38 isolinux
dr-xr-xr-x 2 sloewent root  2048 2009-07-20 03:38 live
dr-xr-xr-x 5 sloewent root  2048 2009-07-20 03:38 utils

As a result, I have lost all my backups, including all my work related 
to music that I have had since 2001.  All files. Everything. Yes, this 
does equate to a heavy financial loss.  Yes, I cannot reproduce the 
data.  Yes, I lost the invoices that I had to keep for tax purposes 
thatI have to produce some time next year.




* Does anyone know of any tools that can recover lost files?  The 
filesystem type is ext3. *

Regards, S.


PS. Of course, I thank-you in advance if I am not lectured about keeping 
files in disc one partition and not having at least two or three disc 
backups, but discs are not that cheap, and I had expected Clonezilla to 
at least state that it was going to delete everything under the 
directory.  Agreed, this was still a user-error.

Re: [Clonezilla-live] Clonezilla deleted all files on the target partition - Data found.

[Simon L. <si...@si...>]

I rechecked the drives, and I was very very very lucky.

I had accidentally selected sdc2 for the TARGET image, when I had 
thought that I had selected /dev/sdb2 where the precious backed up data 
lies.  The data is still there.

However, what concerns me if that CZ still uses an entire disc directory 
  to write its file system into, and if one selected the top level of 
the mount then all data there will disappear.   I think that it ought to 
be clearer that  it shall delete all data in that directory first, as 
the contents of the other drive shows.

Final question:

Can I use a set-up like this?

/dev/sdc2  for the CZ operating system area.
/dev/sdc2  for the target image.
/dev/sda1  for the source partition.

Regards,
S.

PS.  USB drive has been disconnected and placed into a cupboard for safe 
keeping.


Simon Loewen wrote:
> Dear all Clonezilla users,
> 
> 	Today, I used Clonezilla for the first time.  As a test I decided to 
> see how it worked.  I used the 'clone partition to an image' option ( I 
> cannot remember the exact terminology).
> 
> Clonezilla asked me where it could write the TARGET images to.  I 
> instructed it to use my USB *BACKUP* disc under the directory /, 
> expecting it to write a file into it.
> 
> No, it deleted everything and wrote this onto the disc partition:
> # ls -l /media/1.2.2-26/
> total 25
> -r--r--r-- 1 sloewent root   107 2009-07-20 03:38 Clonezilla-Live-Version
> -r--r--r-- 1 sloewent root 17982 2009-07-19 02:50 COPYING
> dr-xr-xr-x 2 sloewent root  2048 2009-07-20 03:38 isolinux
> dr-xr-xr-x 2 sloewent root  2048 2009-07-20 03:38 live
> dr-xr-xr-x 5 sloewent root  2048 2009-07-20 03:38 utils
> 
> As a result, I have lost all my backups, including all my work related 
> to music that I have had since 2001.  All files. Everything. Yes, this 
> does equate to a heavy financial loss.  Yes, I cannot reproduce the 
> data.  Yes, I lost the invoices that I had to keep for tax purposes 
> thatI have to produce some time next year.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> * Does anyone know of any tools that can recover lost files?  The 
> filesystem type is ext3. *
> 
> Regards, S.
> 
> 
> PS. Of course, I thank-you in advance if I am not lectured about keeping 
> files in disc one partition and not having at least two or three disc 
> backups, but discs are not that cheap, and I had expected Clonezilla to 
> at least state that it was going to delete everything under the 
> directory.  Agreed, this was still a user-error.
> 
> 
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Re: [Clonezilla-live] Clonezilla deleted all files on the target partition - Data found.

[Bill G. <gu...@io...>]

Hi Simon:

I'm very glad that disaster was averted.

We'll have to see what Steven Shiau says about your experience.  I can't 
explain it.

But I must say:  I've been using clonezilla-live for a couple of years 
now, backing up to a variety of targets via ssh and local drives via 
USB, IDE and SATA interfaces, and I don't recall clonezilla EVER 
deleting anything during its backup process.  It has an algorithm for 
naming the target directory and saves the image files there.  It shows 
you this name and you have the opportunity of modifying it.  It also 
warns you about what it is going to do, and gives you a chance to bail 
out.  When restoring a partition, it gives you extra warnings.

So I am truly puzzled about what happened to you.



Simon Loewen wrote:
> I rechecked the drives, and I was very very very lucky.
> 
> I had accidentally selected sdc2 for the TARGET image, when I had 
> thought that I had selected /dev/sdb2 where the precious backed up data 
> lies.  The data is still there.
> 
> However, what concerns me if that CZ still uses an entire disc directory 
>   to write its file system into, and if one selected the top level of 
> the mount then all data there will disappear.   I think that it ought to 
> be clearer that  it shall delete all data in that directory first, as 
> the contents of the other drive shows.
> 
> Final question:
> 
> Can I use a set-up like this?
> 
> /dev/sdc2  for the CZ operating system area.
> /dev/sdc2  for the target image.
> /dev/sda1  for the source partition.
> 
> Regards,
> S.
> 
> PS.  USB drive has been disconnected and placed into a cupboard for safe 
> keeping.
> 
> 
> Simon Loewen wrote:
>> Dear all Clonezilla users,
>>
>> 	Today, I used Clonezilla for the first time.  As a test I decided to 
>> see how it worked.  I used the 'clone partition to an image' option ( I 
>> cannot remember the exact terminology).
>>
>> Clonezilla asked me where it could write the TARGET images to.  I 
>> instructed it to use my USB *BACKUP* disc under the directory /, 
>> expecting it to write a file into it.
>>
>> No, it deleted everything and wrote this onto the disc partition:
>> # ls -l /media/1.2.2-26/
>> total 25
>> -r--r--r-- 1 sloewent root   107 2009-07-20 03:38 Clonezilla-Live-Version
>> -r--r--r-- 1 sloewent root 17982 2009-07-19 02:50 COPYING
>> dr-xr-xr-x 2 sloewent root  2048 2009-07-20 03:38 isolinux
>> dr-xr-xr-x 2 sloewent root  2048 2009-07-20 03:38 live
>> dr-xr-xr-x 5 sloewent root  2048 2009-07-20 03:38 utils
>>
>> As a result, I have lost all my backups, including all my work related 
>> to music that I have had since 2001.  All files. Everything. Yes, this 
>> does equate to a heavy financial loss.  Yes, I cannot reproduce the 
>> data.  Yes, I lost the invoices that I had to keep for tax purposes 
>> thatI have to produce some time next year.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> * Does anyone know of any tools that can recover lost files?  The 
>> filesystem type is ext3. *
>>
>> Regards, S.
>>
>>
>> PS. Of course, I thank-you in advance if I am not lectured about keeping 
>> files in disc one partition and not having at least two or three disc 
>> backups, but discs are not that cheap, and I had expected Clonezilla to 
>> at least state that it was going to delete everything under the 
>> directory.  Agreed, this was still a user-error.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Clonezilla-live] Clonezilla deleted all files on the target partition - Data found.

[Les M. <les...@gm...>]

Simon Loewen wrote:
> I rechecked the drives, and I was very very very lucky.
> 
> I had accidentally selected sdc2 for the TARGET image, when I had 
> thought that I had selected /dev/sdb2 where the precious backed up data 
> lies.  The data is still there.
> 
> However, what concerns me if that CZ still uses an entire disc directory 
>   to write its file system into, and if one selected the top level of 
> the mount then all data there will disappear.   I think that it ought to 
> be clearer that  it shall delete all data in that directory first, as 
> the contents of the other drive shows.
> 
> Final question:
> 
> Can I use a set-up like this?
> 
> /dev/sdc2  for the CZ operating system area.
> /dev/sdc2  for the target image.
> /dev/sda1  for the source partition.

Are you doing a disk->image copy or disk->disk?  In the disk->image 
case, clonezilla should not delete anything.  It should just create a 
new directory of the name you give for the image and put some new files 
under it.  In the disk->disk mode it is going to duplicate the source 
exactly and wipe out whatever was on the target just like an image->disk 
run would.

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Re: [Clonezilla-live] Clonezilla deleted all files on the target partition - Data found.

[Simon L. <si...@si...>]

Les Mikesell wrote:
> Simon Loewen wrote:
>> I rechecked the drives, and I was very very very lucky.
>>
>> I had accidentally selected sdc2 for the TARGET image, when I had
>> thought that I had selected /dev/sdb2 where the precious backed up
>> data lies.  The data is still there.
>>
>> However, what concerns me if that CZ still uses an entire disc
>> directory   to write its file system into, and if one selected the top
>> level of the mount then all data there will disappear.   I think that
>> it ought to be clearer that  it shall delete all data in that
>> directory first, as the contents of the other drive shows.
>>
>> Final question:
>>
>> Can I use a set-up like this?
>>
>> /dev/sdc2  for the CZ operating system area.
>> /dev/sdc2  for the target image.
>> /dev/sda1  for the source partition.
> 
> Are you doing a disk->image copy or disk->disk?  In the disk->image
> case, clonezilla should not delete anything.  It should just create a
> new directory of the name you give for the image and put some new files
> under it.  In the disk->disk mode it is going to duplicate the source
> exactly and wipe out whatever was on the target just like an image->disk
> run would.
> 

Hi Les & Bill,

	I used disk->image.  During the process it prompted where to place the
target images, which I set to / on a usb partition.  It then set the
target dir to /home/partimage (or something similar) to / on the usb
partition. I think at this point it copied its O/S into there and
chrooted onto it.  Afterwards, as I mentioned afore, it wrote these
files onto it:
-r--r--r-- 1 sloewent root   107 2009-07-20 03:38 Clonezilla-Live-Version
>> -r--r--r-- 1 sloewent root 17982 2009-07-19 02:50 COPYING
>> dr-xr-xr-x 2 sloewent root  2048 2009-07-20 03:38 isolinux
>> dr-xr-xr-x 2 sloewent root  2048 2009-07-20 03:38 live
>> dr-xr-xr-x 5 sloewent root  2048 2009-07-20 03:38 utils

Perhaps, I skipped over a step.  It was around 10pm I did this.  I shall
read the documentation again to see where I went wrong.

S.

Re: [Clonezilla-live] Clonezilla deleted all files on the target partition - Data found.

[Simon L. <si...@si...>]

Here we go.  This is the part of the process that wrote over the data in
the disc partition:

http://clonezilla.org/clonezilla-live/doc/fine-print.php?fullmode=0&path=./01_Save_disk_image/08-select-disk-as-img-repo.doc#08-select-disk-as-img-repo.doc

On the bottom of the page one can see the process,
"Then Clonezilla shows you the disk usage report:"

At this point I aborted the process.

Re: [Clonezilla-live] Clonezilla deleted all files on the target partition - Data found.

[Kevin W. W. <kev...@gm...>]

Simon Loewen wrote:
> Here we go.  This is the part of the process that wrote over the data in
> the disc partition:
> 
> http://clonezilla.org/clonezilla-live/doc/fine-print.php?fullmode=0&path=./01_Save_disk_image/08-select-disk-as-img-repo.doc#08-select-disk-as-img-repo.doc
> 
> On the bottom of the page one can see the process,
> "Then Clonezilla shows you the disk usage report:"
> 
> At this point I aborted the process.

If file systems have "labels" it would be helpful to display them as well to
avoid choosing the wrong partition. And then once chosen, it could perhaps do
an 'ls -l' of it's root directory and ask you to confirm and if you say 'no'
you get returned to this step.

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[Clonezilla-live] WindowsXP backup for future restoration onto a different disc

[Simon L. <si...@si...>]

Hi all,

	Just a quick request for clarification on the FAQ/Q&A page:

under item 74: When I use clonezilla to clone MS windows, there is no
any problem when saving an image from template machine. However, after
the image is restored to another machine, it fails to boot, the error
message is "Missing Operating System" or just a blinking underscore.
What's going on ?

There is a possible solution of:

[ ] -t1 Client restores the prebuilt MBR from syslinux (For Windows
only) when you restore the image.

What does the  (For Windows only) bit refer to?  I thought that
Clonezilla could only be run from Debian/Ubuntu. Does this imply a
Windows based version of the s/w?  If not, then what does this refer to,
or is it so blatently obvious that I have missed the point? ;)

Cheers, S.

Re: [Clonezilla-live] WindowsXP backup for future restoration onto a different disc

[Simon L. <si...@si...>]

Sorry : it was Item 21, not 73.
S.

Simon Loewen wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> 	Just a quick request for clarification on the FAQ/Q&A page:
> 
> under item 74: When I use clonezilla to clone MS windows, there is no
> any problem when saving an image from template machine. However, after
> the image is restored to another machine, it fails to boot, the error
> message is "Missing Operating System" or just a blinking underscore.
> What's going on ?
> 
> There is a possible solution of:
> 
> [ ] -t1 Client restores the prebuilt MBR from syslinux (For Windows
> only) when you restore the image.
> 
> What does the  (For Windows only) bit refer to?  I thought that
> Clonezilla could only be run from Debian/Ubuntu. Does this imply a
> Windows based version of the s/w?  If not, then what does this refer to,
> or is it so blatently obvious that I have missed the point? ;)
> 
> Cheers, S.
> 
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Re: [Clonezilla-live] WindowsXP backup for future restoration onto a different disc

[Steven S. <st...@nc...>]

Simon Loewen wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> 	Just a quick request for clarification on the FAQ/Q&A page:
> 
> under item 74: When I use clonezilla to clone MS windows, there is no
> any problem when saving an image from template machine. However, after
> the image is restored to another machine, it fails to boot, the error
> message is "Missing Operating System" or just a blinking underscore.
> What's going on ?
> 
> There is a possible solution of:
> 
> [ ] -t1 Client restores the prebuilt MBR from syslinux (For Windows
> only) when you restore the image.
> 
> What does the  (For Windows only) bit refer to?  I thought that
> Clonezilla could only be run from Debian/Ubuntu. Does this imply a
> Windows based version of the s/w?  If not, then what does this refer to,
> or is it so blatently obvious that I have missed the point? ;)
It's mean the -t1 will only work for the restored OS is MS Windows. 
Since the restored MBR from syslinux is used to restore a clean MBR.

Steven.
> 
> Cheers, S.
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Re: [Clonezilla-live] WindowsXP backup for future restoration onto a different disc

[Simon L. <si...@si...>]

> It's mean the -t1 will only work for the restored OS is MS Windows.
> Since the restored MBR from syslinux is used to restore a clean MBR.
> 
> Steven.
>>

Does this mean that I have to either backup only the WINXP partition
with the -t1 option?

I did this anyway last night.

Re: [Clonezilla-live] WindowsXP backup for future restoration onto a different disc

[Steven S. <st...@nc...>]

Simon Loewen wrote:
>> It's mean the -t1 will only work for the restored OS is MS Windows.
>> Since the restored MBR from syslinux is used to restore a clean MBR.
>>
>> Steven.
>>     
>
> Does this mean that I have to either backup only the WINXP partition
> with the -t1 option?
>
> I did this anyway last night.
>   
No. When you save a whole disk image, it will automatically be saved.

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Re: [Clonezilla-live] Clonezilla deleted all files on the target partition - Data found.

[Steven S. <st...@nc...>]

If you create an image by choosing disk -> image, Clonezilla should not 
delete any files on the mounted dir, i.e. any files on /home/partimag 
will not be deleted.
For what you mentioned, I think maybe it's because you abort the 
process, and unplug the USB flash drive without unmounting it or 
shutting down the system normally. Could you please make sure you did 
that or?
Sorry to hear that. We will try to find a better way to avoid this. 
Maybe give some warning messages.

Regards,
Steven.

Simon Loewen wrote:
> Here we go.  This is the part of the process that wrote over the data in
> the disc partition:
>
> http://clonezilla.org/clonezilla-live/doc/fine-print.php?fullmode=0&path=./01_Save_disk_image/08-select-disk-as-img-repo.doc#08-select-disk-as-img-repo.doc
>
> On the bottom of the page one can see the process,
> "Then Clonezilla shows you the disk usage report:"
>
> At this point I aborted the process.
>
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Re: [Clonezilla-live] Clonezilla deleted all files on the target partition - Data lost.

[Jay M. <jay...@gm...>]

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 2:30 AM, Simon Loewen <si...@si...> wrote:
> Dear all Clonezilla users,
>
>        Today, I used Clonezilla for the first time.  As a test I decided to
> see how it worked.  I used the 'clone partition to an image' option ( I
> cannot remember the exact terminology).
>
> Clonezilla asked me where it could write the TARGET images to.  I
> instructed it to use my USB *BACKUP* disc under the directory /,
> expecting it to write a file into it.
>
> No, it deleted everything and wrote this onto the disc partition:
> # ls -l /media/1.2.2-26/
> total 25
> -r--r--r-- 1 sloewent root   107 2009-07-20 03:38 Clonezilla-Live-Version
> -r--r--r-- 1 sloewent root 17982 2009-07-19 02:50 COPYING
> dr-xr-xr-x 2 sloewent root  2048 2009-07-20 03:38 isolinux
> dr-xr-xr-x 2 sloewent root  2048 2009-07-20 03:38 live
> dr-xr-xr-x 5 sloewent root  2048 2009-07-20 03:38 utils
>
> As a result, I have lost all my backups, including all my work related
> to music that I have had since 2001.  All files. Everything. Yes, this
> does equate to a heavy financial loss.  Yes, I cannot reproduce the
> data.  Yes, I lost the invoices that I had to keep for tax purposes
> thatI have to produce some time next year.
>
>
> * Does anyone know of any tools that can recover lost files?  The
> filesystem type is ext3. *

Hope this message gets to you in time: here's a nice tutorial on
recovering deleted files in Linux:

http://www.linuxforu.com/how-to/recovering-deleted-files-easily/

I found this tutorial very good and so made an .ODT (OO.org Writer)
file of the same; let me know if you would like me to email it to you.

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Re: [Clonezilla-live] Clonezilla deleted all files on the target partition - Data lost.

[Steven S. <st...@nc...>]

Simon,
Sorry to hear that. However, by default Clonezilla will _NOT_ delete any 
files on the target directory when you save an image on that.
It will just mount the target media as /home/partimag then save the 
image on that.
Did you remember the steps you have done? Did you interrupt when 
Clonezilla saves an image?
If you can provide more info, I think we might have some way to show 
some warning messages to avoid that.

Steven.


Jay Mistry wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 2:30 AM, Simon Loewen <si...@si...> wrote:
>   
>> Dear all Clonezilla users,
>>
>>        Today, I used Clonezilla for the first time.  As a test I decided to
>> see how it worked.  I used the 'clone partition to an image' option ( I
>> cannot remember the exact terminology).
>>
>> Clonezilla asked me where it could write the TARGET images to.  I
>> instructed it to use my USB *BACKUP* disc under the directory /,
>> expecting it to write a file into it.
>>
>> No, it deleted everything and wrote this onto the disc partition:
>> # ls -l /media/1.2.2-26/
>> total 25
>> -r--r--r-- 1 sloewent root   107 2009-07-20 03:38 Clonezilla-Live-Version
>> -r--r--r-- 1 sloewent root 17982 2009-07-19 02:50 COPYING
>> dr-xr-xr-x 2 sloewent root  2048 2009-07-20 03:38 isolinux
>> dr-xr-xr-x 2 sloewent root  2048 2009-07-20 03:38 live
>> dr-xr-xr-x 5 sloewent root  2048 2009-07-20 03:38 utils
>>
>> As a result, I have lost all my backups, including all my work related
>> to music that I have had since 2001.  All files. Everything. Yes, this
>> does equate to a heavy financial loss.  Yes, I cannot reproduce the
>> data.  Yes, I lost the invoices that I had to keep for tax purposes
>> thatI have to produce some time next year.
>>
>>
>> * Does anyone know of any tools that can recover lost files?  The
>> filesystem type is ext3. *
>>     
>
> Hope this message gets to you in time: here's a nice tutorial on
> recovering deleted files in Linux:
>
> http://www.linuxforu.com/how-to/recovering-deleted-files-easily/
>
> I found this tutorial very good and so made an .ODT (OO.org Writer)
> file of the same; let me know if you would like me to email it to you.
>
> Jay
>
>   

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