massive errors cloning to large-sectored drive

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#115 massive errors cloning to large-sectored drive

Milestone: stable_clonezilla_live

Status: open

Owner: Steven Shiau

Labels: clonezilla live (129)

Priority: 5

Updated: 2011-06-26

Created: 2011-06-19

Creator: Jim Michaels

Private: No

this hard drive is what I am upgrading to
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148599&Tpk=seagate%20momentus%20750gb
here are the specs:
cylinders=11400 heads=255 sectorspertrack=63 sectorsize=4096
totalsectors=183141000 disksize= 750.14GB=750145536000 Bytes

upgrading from the following toshiba 80GB drive:
cylinders=9122 heads=255 sectorspertrack=63 sectorsize=512
totalsectors=146544930 disksize= 75.03GB=75031004160 Bytes

after staring the copy process, clonezilla hangs for a little while and then crashes. This is after the setup phase or whatever it;s called.

I think the issue is the difference in sector sizes.

welcome to the real world. drive manufacturers are now making large sectored SATA drives, and it's breaking disk software left and right. microsoft warned about this some time back, but nobody saw it I guess. so I recoded my programs.

I have not found one disk upgrade software that works doing this upgrade, and I have tried 4.
please fix. I need something fast.

Discussion

Jim Michaels - 2011-06-19

fixed title

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Jim Michaels - 2011-06-19

summary: massive errors cloning large-sectored drive --> massive errors cloning to large-sectored drive
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Steven Shiau - 2011-06-26

I believe this issue is not about disk size. Since we here have cloned/images a larger disk before.
Which version of Clonezilla live did you use?
Did you try Clonezilla live 1.2.9-10 or 20110623-natty?

Steven.

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Steven Shiau - 2011-06-26

assigned_to: nobody --> steven_shiau
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Jim Michaels - 2011-06-27

I personally think it was the sector size difference that did it. most programs are hard-coded for 512-byte sector sizes. microsoft warned about teh disk industry coming out with large-sectored hard disks. the 750GB drive is one of those. If you want to get the drive for testing purposes, it is a laptop drive and it is a 750GB 7200RPM Seagate Momentus ST9750420AS and it is available from

it is the only drive I know of with 4k sectors for now, but things will change I am sure.
I am told XP can handle 4K sector drives but will not boot from it because of the BIOS.

I was using 1.2.8-42

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Jim Michaels - 2011-06-27

by the way, sector size != disk size by any stretch of the imagination.

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Jim Michaels - 2011-06-27

forgot the drive purchase URL:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148599&Tpk=seagate%20momentus%20750gb

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Steven Shiau - 2011-06-30

After cloning, did you try to use the utility from your hard drive vendor to tune it as 4k sectors?
Maybe that helps.

Steven.

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Jim Michaels - 2011-07-05

define "tune as 4k sectors". the drive's hardware is built with 4k sectors. If you look at seagate's drive specs, you will see this. this is not a software thing.

http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/datasheet/disc/ds_momentus_fam.pdf

examine the specs. some drives are 4096 bytes and translate as 512 bytes. it's a performance penalty, but you get compatibility.

I am not sure you understand the difference between hardware and software. the 750GB hard drive is hard-wired as 4096 bytes. that's hardware. you can't change that with software.

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Jim Michaels - 2011-07-05

[well, maybe - tecnically, the 4k sector size is probably coded in the drive's firmware, but only the product manufacturer can write the software to update it! so I guess you could say technically it's encoded in firmware you don't have access to tweak. and manufacturers RARELY come out with firmware updates for their drives unless there's a problem to fix.]

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Steven Shiau - 2011-07-05

What I mean is something like this:
http://support.wdc.com/product/downloadsw.asp?sid=128

Steven.

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Jim Michaels - 2011-07-06

only thing I ran was clonezilla. seagate drives done have any features or software like that.

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Jim Michaels - 2011-07-06

(that I know of)

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Jim Michaels - 2011-07-09

here is a list of seagate drives which have 4k sectors.

Barraduca(desktop)
ST1500DL003
ST2000DL003

Momentus(desktop)
ST160LT003
ST160LT015
ST160LT007
ST160LT009
ST160LT011
ST160LT014
ST160LT016
ST250LT003
ST250LT020
ST3250LT011
ST250LT007
ST250LT014
ST250LT009
ST250LT021
ST320LT020
ST320LT022
ST320LT011
ST320LT007
ST320LT014
ST320LT009
ST320LT023
ST9750423AS
ST9750420AS

here is a list of seagate drives which have 512-byte sectors.
Momentus (laptop)
ST980314AS
ST980412AS
ST980412ASG
ST9120317AS
ST9120410AS
ST9120410ASG
ST9160317AS
ST9160314AS
ST91603010AS
ST9160412AS
ST9160412ASG
ST9250315AS
ST92503010AS
ST9250410AS
ST9250410ASG
ST9250411AS
ST9250412AS
ST9320325AS
ST9320325ASG
ST9320327AS
ST9320423AS
ST9320423AS
ST9400326AS
ST9500325AS
ST9500325ASG
ST9500327AS
ST9500327AS
ST9500420AS
ST9500420ASG
ST9500421AS
ST9500422AS
ST9640320AS

Barracuda (desktop)
ST3160318AS
ST3160316AS
ST3160318AS
ST3250312AS
ST3250318AS
ST3320413AS
ST3320418AS
ST3500413AS
ST3500410AS
ST3500418AS
ST3750525AS
ST31000524AS
ST31000528AS
ST32000641AS
ST33000651AS

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Steven Shiau - 2011-07-22

OK. Thanks for the info.

Steven.

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