From: Elliott S. <ell...@gm...> - 2007-10-30 00:25:28
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I noticed that the only Windows support listed on http://clisp.cons.org/ is for Cygwin. Is there any reason for not acknowledging native Windows support for Clisp on the official site? (Other than that Microsoft is evil....) -- Elliott Slaughter "Any road followed precisely to its end leads precisely nowhere." - Frank Herbert |
From: Sam S. <sd...@gn...> - 2007-10-30 02:40:13
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> * Elliott Slaughter <ryyvbggfynhtugre@tznvy.pbz> [2007-10-29 17:25:25 -0700]: > > I noticed that the only Windows support listed on > http://clisp.cons.org/ is for Cygwin. Is there any reason for not > acknowledging native Windows support for Clisp on the official site? > (Other than that Microsoft is evil....) CLISP supports win32 OOTB and offers 2 pre-built binaries. just follow the link to "SourceForge downloads/HTTP" (Get CLISP --> Sources and binaries for various platforms) if you find the clisp web site hard to navigate, please feel free to design a better site using clisp wiki (announced in the previous message). -- Sam Steingold (http://sds.podval.org/) on Fedora release 7 (Moonshine) http://truepeace.org http://pmw.org.il http://israelunderattack.slide.com http://honestreporting.com http://memri.org http://camera.org It's not just a language, it's an adventure. Common Lisp. |
From: Elliott S. <ell...@gm...> - 2007-10-30 05:45:07
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Yes, I am currently using Clisp's prebuilt binaries for Window. However, when I was first investigating various Lisps, I didn't realize that Clisp ran on Windows directly, because the only mention of Windows on the main Clisp page is for Cygwin. Yes, if you click on downloads you will get to a win32 binary. But it takes a little perseverance to find, and it may be turning away people new to lisp that would otherwise like to use Clisp. On 10/29/07, Sam Steingold <sd...@gn...> wrote: > > * Elliott Slaughter <ryyvbggfynhtugre@tznvy.pbz> [2007-10-29 17:25:25 -0700]: > > > > I noticed that the only Windows support listed on > > http://clisp.cons.org/ is for Cygwin. Is there any reason for not > > acknowledging native Windows support for Clisp on the official site? > > (Other than that Microsoft is evil....) > > CLISP supports win32 OOTB and offers 2 pre-built binaries. > just follow the link to "SourceForge downloads/HTTP" > (Get CLISP --> Sources and binaries for various platforms) > > if you find the clisp web site hard to navigate, please feel free to > design a better site using clisp wiki (announced in the previous message). > > -- > Sam Steingold (http://sds.podval.org/) on Fedora release 7 (Moonshine) > http://truepeace.org http://pmw.org.il http://israelunderattack.slide.com > http://honestreporting.com http://memri.org http://camera.org > It's not just a language, it's an adventure. Common Lisp. > -- Elliott Slaughter "Any road followed precisely to its end leads precisely nowhere." - Frank Herbert |
From: Sam S. <sd...@gn...> - 2007-10-31 01:02:00
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> * Elliott Slaughter <ryyvbggfynhtugre@tznvy.pbz> [2007-10-29 22:44:59 -0700]: > > Yes, I am currently using Clisp's prebuilt binaries for Window. > However, when I was first investigating various Lisps, I didn't > realize that Clisp ran on Windows directly, because the only mention > of Windows on the main Clisp page is for Cygwin. Yes, if you click on > downloads you will get to a win32 binary. But it takes a little > perseverance to find, and it may be turning away people new to lisp > that would otherwise like to use Clisp. yes, all it takes is to click on "what is clisp" to see the list of supported platforms. -- Sam Steingold (http://sds.podval.org/) on Fedora release 7 (Moonshine) http://dhimmi.com http://thereligionofpeace.com http://mideasttruth.com http://honestreporting.com http://memri.org http://jihadwatch.org Please wait, MS Windows are preparing the blue screen of death. |
From: Trudgett, D. <D.T...@aa...> - 2007-10-31 01:26:02
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Hi Elliott, Thanks for the valuable feedback to the CLISP team[*]. Perhaps Windows will be explicitly added to the "Get CLISP" list some time in the future. The reason it was left off was no doubt the one you mentioned. Cheers, David Trudgett [*] I am but a simple user of CLISP, by the way. =20=20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: cli...@li...=20 > [mailto:cli...@li...] On Behalf=20 > Of Sam Steingold > Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 12:02 > To: cli...@li...; Elliott Slaughter > Subject: Re: [clisp-list] Native Windows Support as per=20 > Official ClispWebsite >=20 > > * Elliott Slaughter <ryyvbggfynhtugre@tznvy.pbz>=20 > [2007-10-29 22:44:59 -0700]: > > > > Yes, I am currently using Clisp's prebuilt binaries for Window. > > However, when I was first investigating various Lisps, I didn't=20 > > realize that Clisp ran on Windows directly, because the=20 > only mention=20 > > of Windows on the main Clisp page is for Cygwin. Yes, if=20 > you click on=20 > > downloads you will get to a win32 binary. But it takes a little=20 > > perseverance to find, and it may be turning away people new to lisp=20 > > that would otherwise like to use Clisp. >=20 > yes, all it takes is to click on "what is clisp" to see the=20 > list of supported platforms. >=20 >=20 > -- > Sam Steingold (http://sds.podval.org/) on Fedora release 7=20 > (Moonshine) http://dhimmi.com http://thereligionofpeace.com=20 > http://mideasttruth.com http://honestreporting.com=20 > http://memri.org http://jihadwatch.org Please wait, MS=20 > Windows are preparing the blue screen of death. >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and=20 > a browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >>=20 > http://get.splunk.com/ _______________________________________________ > clisp-list mailing list > cli...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/clisp-list >=20 Attention Email Disclaimer Notice - This message is the property of AAMHatch. The i= nformation in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you ar= e not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or an= y action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and= =20may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error please notify AAMHatch immedia= tely via email to mai...@aa... <mailto:mai...@aa...= m.au>=20 This email has been scanned and cleared by NetIQ Mail Marshal, however AA= MHatch does not guarantee this message free of viruses, or interference. = ________________________________ |
From: Sam S. <sd...@gn...> - 2007-10-31 21:05:58
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Trudgett, David wrote: > Thanks for the valuable feedback to the CLISP team[*]. Perhaps Windows > will be explicitly added to the "Get CLISP" list some time in the > future. The reason it was left off was no doubt the one you mentioned. actually, you are wrong. the "Get CLISP" panel lists first, _our_ sites where we distribute sources and some binaries (fewer binaries are available now that SourceForge has discontinues their CompileFarm), and then, second, sites supported by others where one can get pre-compiled binaries for specific platforms and distributions. E.g., user of Fedora Linux can do "yum install clisp" to get clisp instead of downloading sources and building by hand. Same for cygwin et al. If the mingw maintainers are using a similar automated packaging tool and will start distributing win32 clisp binaries using it, then I will gladly add a link to the mingw clisp package, right there, along fedora clisp package, cygwin clisp package, etc etc. Sam. A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHKO4uPp1Qsf2qnMcRAt0tAKCHgbfIUuvrsYsaUq5117a0/ggV9gCdG3rT ZYp7XeCIqd8vcToZ/07FdFQ= =sW+O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
From: Trudgett, D. <D.T...@aa...> - 2007-11-01 00:14:39
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> -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Steingold [mailto:sd...@gn...]=20 > Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2007 08:06 > To: Trudgett, David > Cc: cli...@li...; Elliott Slaughter > Subject: Re: Native Windows Support as per Official ClispWebsite >=20 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 >=20 > Trudgett, David wrote: > > Thanks for the valuable feedback to the CLISP team[*].=20 > Perhaps Windows=20 > > will be explicitly added to the "Get CLISP" list some time in the=20 > > future. The reason it was left off was no doubt the one you=20 > mentioned. >=20 > actually, you are wrong. >=20 > the "Get CLISP" panel lists first, _our_ sites where we=20 > distribute sources and some binaries (fewer binaries are=20 > available now that SourceForge has discontinues their=20 > CompileFarm), and then, second, sites supported by others=20 > where one can get pre-compiled binaries for specific=20 > platforms and distributions. > E.g., user of Fedora Linux can do "yum install clisp" to get=20 > clisp instead of downloading sources and building by hand.=20 > Same for cygwin et al. > If the mingw maintainers are using a similar automated=20 > packaging tool and will start distributing win32 clisp=20 > binaries using it, then I will gladly add a link to the mingw=20 > clisp package, right there, along fedora clisp package,=20 > cygwin clisp package, etc etc. >=20 > Sam. I stand corrected Sam, but please don't hold it against me if I remain utterly unconvinced. :-) Cheers, David Q. What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? A. It's a toss up between: =20 1. having to scroll down to the bottom of every long email to read =20 one or two sentences; =20 2. encountering those who think everyone else should do it their way= ; =20 3. encountering those who think email is Usenet; =20 4. encountering those who spell email incorrectly. Attention Email Disclaimer Notice - This message is the property of AAMHatch. The i= nformation in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you ar= e not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or an= y action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and= =20may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error please notify AAMHatch immedia= tely via email to mai...@aa... <mailto:mai...@aa...= m.au>=20 This email has been scanned and cleared by NetIQ Mail Marshal, however AA= MHatch does not guarantee this message free of viruses, or interference. = ________________________________ |
From: Jack U. <jd...@gm...> - 2007-11-01 01:29:58
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On 10/31/07, Trudgett, David <D.T...@aa...> wrote: > > I stand corrected Sam, but please don't hold it against me if I remain > utterly unconvinced. :-) If you can't express your views without attacking someone's veracity, then try hitting Delete instead of Send. > Q. What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Email Disclaimers that aren't stripped from messages sent to public mailing lists. And by the way, > 4. encountering those who spell email incorrectly. http://dictionary.reference.com/cite.html?qh=e-mail&ia=luna -- Jack Unrue |
From: Jack U. <jd...@gm...> - 2007-11-01 01:34:30
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On 10/29/07, Elliott Slaughter <ell...@gm...> wrote: > I noticed that the only Windows support listed on > http://clisp.cons.org/ is for Cygwin. Is there any reason for not > acknowledging native Windows support for Clisp on the official site? > (Other than that Microsoft is evil....) Elliot, It might be worth trying to create a native installer (using one of the various free install toolkits that are available for Windows). Would you be interested in working on that? -- Jack Unrue |
From: Sam S. <sd...@gn...> - 2007-11-01 03:19:40
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> * Trudgett, David <Q.Gehqtrgg@nnzungpu.pbz> [2007-11-01 11:18:09 +1100]: > > I stand corrected Sam, but please don't hold it against me if I remain > utterly unconvinced. :-) Unconvinced of what? I am not trying to convince anyone here. I am just explaining how I designed the clisp home page. if you do not like it, please feel free to design a better one. you can use clisp wiki for that, or just plain HTML. > 1. having to scroll down to the bottom of every long email to read one > or two sentences; you are supposed to edit the message you are replying to, keeping the parts relevant to your reply and removing irrelevant text. > 2. encountering those who think everyone else should do it their way; :-) > 3. encountering those who think email is Usenet; IMHO, mailing lists are closer to usenet then to e-mail. I real all mailing lists via nntp:gmane.org. -- Sam Steingold (http://sds.podval.org/) on Fedora release 7 (Moonshine) http://dhimmi.com http://honestreporting.com http://thereligionofpeace.com http://jihadwatch.org http://truepeace.org http://openvotingconsortium.org Rhinoceros has poor vision, but, due to his size, it's not his problem. |
From: Trudgett, D. <D.T...@aa...> - 2007-11-01 03:29:56
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Hi Sam! > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Steingold [mailto:sd...@gn...]=20 > Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2007 14:19 > To: cli...@li...; Trudgett, David > Subject: Re: Native Windows Support as per Official ClispWebsite >=20 > > * Trudgett, David <Q.Gehqtrgg@nnzungpu.pbz> [2007-11-01=20 > 11:18:09 +1100]: > > > > I stand corrected Sam, but please don't hold it against me=20 > if I remain=20 > > utterly unconvinced. :-) >=20 > Unconvinced of what? That should be obvious. I don't believe the story you told=20 is the complete truth. You might, but I don't. > I am not trying to convince anyone here. > I am just explaining how I designed the clisp home page. > if you do not like it, please feel free to design a better one. > you can use clisp wiki for that, or just plain HTML. >=20 > > 1. having to scroll down to the bottom of every long email=20 > to read one=20 > > or two sentences; >=20 > you are supposed to edit the message you are replying to,=20 > keeping the parts relevant to your reply and removing irrelevant text. Gotta keep context, Sam. Context is _very_ important you know. The other common complaint is, "you snipped where I said..." >=20 > > 2. encountering those who think everyone else should do it=20 > their way; >=20 > :-) >=20 > > 3. encountering those who think email is Usenet; >=20 > IMHO, mailing lists are closer to usenet then to e-mail. Alas, you are probably correct on that one. But is YO really H?=20 If so, which H? > I real all mailing lists via nntp:gmane.org. I think I'll just crawl back into my hole now... ;-) But at least I proved that there are signs of life on the CLISP mailing list! Cheers, David Attention Email Disclaimer Notice - This message is the property of AAMHatch. The i= nformation in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you ar= e not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or an= y action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and= =20may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error please notify AAMHatch immedia= tely via email to mai...@aa... <mailto:mai...@aa...= m.au>=20 This email has been scanned and cleared by NetIQ Mail Marshal, however AA= MHatch does not guarantee this message free of viruses, or interference. = ________________________________ |
From: Sam S. <sd...@gn...> - 2007-11-01 03:58:12
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Hi David, > * Trudgett, David <Q.Gehqtrgg@nnzungpu.pbz> [2007-11-01 14:33:24 +1100]: > >> > I stand corrected Sam, but please don't hold it against me if I >> > remain utterly unconvinced. :-) >> >> Unconvinced of what? > > That should be obvious. I don't believe the story you told > is the complete truth. You might, but I don't. what part of the story is dubious? why would I lie? what would be the truth I am trying to hide? are you accusing me of toeing the gnu party line? until a couple of weeks ago, I linked to clisp packages for aix and solaris, but the links went dead and so I removed them. >> I am not trying to convince anyone here. >> I am just explaining how I designed the clisp home page. >> if you do not like it, please feel free to design a better one. >> you can use clisp wiki for that, or just plain HTML. so, are you taking the challenge? >> > 1. having to scroll down to the bottom of every long email to read >> > one or two sentences; >> >> you are supposed to edit the message you are replying to, >> keeping the parts relevant to your reply and removing irrelevant text. > > Gotta keep context, Sam. Context is _very_ important you know. The > other common complaint is, "you snipped where I said..." yes, keeping just the right amount of quoted text is an art we all have to learn. >> > 3. encountering those who think email is Usenet; >> >> IMHO, mailing lists are closer to usenet then to e-mail. > > Alas, you are probably correct on that one. But is YO really H? > If so, which H? well, I am _trying_ to be humble. OTOH, in this particular case, I should have written IMNSHO. :-) -- Sam Steingold (http://sds.podval.org/) on Fedora release 7 (Moonshine) http://palestinefacts.org http://israelunderattack.slide.com http://ffii.org http://mideasttruth.com http://iris.org.il http://truepeace.org There are no answers, only cross references. |
From: Elliott S. <ell...@gm...> - 2007-11-01 06:14:30
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Wow, I didn't mean to start all that.... And yes, Sam, I obviously missed that page. And you're right about the links on Get CLISP, although I still think the page is a little unintuitive. (No, I don't have the time to redesign the page right now.) > It might be worth trying to create a native installer (using one of the > various free install toolkits that are available for Windows). Would you > be interested in working on that? I am completely new to development (in case you hadn't guessed that already), so I am a little dubious about writing a Windows installer for CLISP. I have briefly looked over NSIS, but I haven't actually worked with it at all. If you don't mind having a noob working on the project, I guess I might try working on it... I'm just worried I'll get in the way, and/or screw something up, or worse. -- Elliott Slaughter "We're even wrong about which mistakes we're making." - Carl Winfeld |
From: Jack U. <jd...@gm...> - 2007-11-01 15:53:11
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On 11/1/07, Elliott Slaughter <ell...@gm...> wrote: > > I am completely new to development (in case you hadn't guessed that > already), so I am a little dubious about writing a Windows installer > for CLISP. I have briefly looked over NSIS, but I haven't actually > worked with it at all. If you don't mind having a noob working on the > project, I guess I might try working on it... I'm just worried I'll > get in the way, and/or screw something up, or worse. I'll bet you'll learn some things and you'll feel good about the accomplishment. I'd be happy to answer questions, help you test the installer, whatever. If it turns out to be more work than you are prepared to get into, that's OK -- it's entirely up to you to decide. The first step I would recommend is to experiment with building a simple installer for just a couple of files, and actually execute it and then run the uninstall. With a few iterations of the toy installer under your belt, then you can start thinking about what a real installer for CLISP might look like. We should move future correspondence on this topic to clisp-devel, or else you can send me private e-mail. Above all, have fun with it! -- Jack Unrue |
From: Trudgett, D. <D.T...@aa...> - 2007-11-02 03:04:08
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Hi Sam,=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Steingold [mailto:sd...@gn...]=20 > Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2007 14:58 > To: cli...@li...; Trudgett, David > Subject: Re: Native Windows Support as per Official ClispWebsite >=20 > Hi David, >=20 > > * Trudgett, David <Q.Gehqtrgg@nnzungpu.pbz> [2007-11-01=20 > 14:33:24 +1100]: > > > >> > I stand corrected Sam, but please don't hold it against me if I=20 > >> > remain utterly unconvinced. :-) > >>=20 > >> Unconvinced of what? > > > > That should be obvious. I don't believe the story you told is the=20 > > complete truth. You might, but I don't. >=20 > what part of the story is dubious?=20 It's the bit where you left out: "We have no real love of Windows operating systems, so we kinda forgot to mention them on our main home page, even though a dozen different flavours of Linux and BSD get separate mentions. <tongue in cheek>But this is OK because we have a perfectly good, though secret, rationale we can dust off if anyone notices and comments on it.</tongue in cheek>" But hey, I don't blame you either way. I only use Windows myself when I absolutely have to. By the way, I noticed you added a nice bold note on win32! Way to go! (I did notice, though, that you couldn't bring yourself to give it a capital letter... Freudian slip? ;-)) > why would I lie? If I wanted to accuse you of lying, I wouldn't be beating around the bush. > what would be the truth I am trying to hide? >=20 > are you accusing me of toeing the gnu party line? > until a couple of weeks ago, I linked to clisp packages for=20 > aix and solaris, but the links went dead and so I removed them. >=20 > >> I am not trying to convince anyone here. > >> I am just explaining how I designed the clisp home page. > >> if you do not like it, please feel free to design a better one. > >> you can use clisp wiki for that, or just plain HTML. >=20 > so, are you taking the challenge? Sure, if you can create a few more hours in the day for me... of course, I would have to finish the two dozen or so queued projects first! Happy lisping, David Attention Email Disclaimer Notice - This message is the property of AAMHatch. The i= nformation in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you ar= e not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or an= y action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and= =20may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error please notify AAMHatch immedia= tely via email to mai...@aa... <mailto:mai...@aa...= m.au>=20 This email has been scanned and cleared by NetIQ Mail Marshal, however AA= MHatch does not guarantee this message free of viruses, or interference. = ________________________________ |