#227 Interface issues...

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2012-11-01
2012-11-01
Maza
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...What's up with the default "Windows Vista/7" Start menu styling? The other styles in the program are very nice looking.

The default 'seashell' Start button is hideous, please replace it with the Windows logo, or add more options 'out-of-the-box'. Microsoft now uses the 'Metro-fied' Windows logo, so it should be no problem if the default logo in Classic Shell was the Windows 7 one. Even Start8 uses it.

Pinned items in XP/Vista/7 are on top of the most recently used programs list. In Classic Shell, they aren't.

The icons for the "Apps" and "Program" lists are outdated and look out of place.

The width of the left column that holds pinned items and recently used programs is too small.

These problems give me the impression that the developer doesn't care about how it looks. This is a shame, because the program works well, but it needs to look well. The program is customizable, but the user shouldn't have to do gymnastics in order for it to look right. The developer apparently lacks the knowledge or expertise to make the interface conform to Microsoft's clean design by default.

Discussion

  • xpclient

    xpclient - 2012-11-01

    All the settings are customizable.

    For the Windows 7 Logo orb, you can get a PNG version from this ZIP file: http://www.deviantart.com/download/297783610/windows_7_skin_for_classic_shell_start_menu_by_vishal_gupta-d4xajay.zip

    You can uncheck the option "Show recent items on top" from "Special Items" tab to show pinned items on top.

    For Programs and Apps icons, you can go to Customize Start Menu tab, double click to edit those items and add "none" to their Icon field. This will remove the icons.

    The width of the columns changes depending on the length of the shortcuts. You cannot set a minimum width, but from "Menu Look" tab, you can adjust the maximum main and sub-menu widths.

     
  • Ivo Beltchev

    Ivo Beltchev - 2012-11-01

    Classic Shell is all about customization. There are 200 settings to choose from. What are the chances that it will be configured out of the box exactly like YOU want it? Not very high. There will always be something you need to tweak to get it to your liking.

    About the start button - I do not own the copyright for the Windows 7 start button. If companies like Start8 want to get into legal hot water by using copyrighted images, that's their choice. I don't want to deal with that, especially since you can download the button from other sources. Also I am not an artist. The seashell button is the best I can do. There are hundreds of buttons you can download from other sources. Again, what are the chances that any limited collection I include by default will have the exact button you want?

    About the menu icons - those are icons come from Windows, not Classic Shell. You are free to replace them if you find better icons from somewhere else.

    Bottom line is, I believe Classic Shell provides a good starting point for most people. For the ones not satisfied by the defaults, there are many ways to customize it. No other tool out there gives you the same degree of control.

     
    • Maza

      Maza - 2012-11-01

      Well, despite all of the options that are customizable in the program, let's be honest here.

      "What are the chances that it will be configured out of the box exactly like YOU want it?"

      I hope that's "YOU" in general and that you're not singling me out individually.
      If the truth be known, I'm sure most people who use the "Vista/7" visual style WANT it to look like its namesake, not some style that is filled with visual inconsistencies.

      ...You can't remove the menu icons be default?

      Yes, it is a very fine program. Among other things that I like about the program is that it offers the Classic Start menu (something most others don't).

       
    • DK Slisher

      DK Slisher - 2013-01-20

      For the classic shell 3.6.5 start button is the metro button a legal issue? I was wondering since it looks like the windows 8 logo.

       
      • Ivo Beltchev

        Ivo Beltchev - 2013-01-20

        Well, I don't believe there is a copyright issue because I made the image myself (so I own the copyright). There might be a possibility for a trademark claim, however the purpose of the trademark is to "prevent confusion in the marketplace" and I am not using the logo to identify Classic Shell. I am using it for the user's benefit as this is the symbol for the start menu on Windows 8.

        At least that's my IANAL understanding.

         
  • Ivo Beltchev

    Ivo Beltchev - 2012-11-01

    Are you suggesting that by default Programs and Apps should have no icon? I don't think it would look as nice, because there will still be a big blank area there. It is not possible to move the text to the left to cover the gap.

     

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