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#181 Re-open 3408459

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nobody
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2012-11-09
2012-08-20
Wolfie
No

The behavior described in the last comment before the report was closed is NOT the issue.

It's not that I'm clicking and holding down something and then dragging a few pixels and it's getting pinned. NO, it's that I open the menu, move to an item, click it and rather frequently it pins instead of opens. I never had the issue before installed Classic Shell. Issue started happening after installing it. Please re-open the issue and read the details instead of declaring that it's not a bug and closing it so that someone can't respond.

Discussion

  • Ivo Beltchev

    Ivo Beltchev - 2012-08-20

    You are free to reopen the issue - I did not lock it.

    Your description of the problem says that you have to keep the mouse very still when you click - that confirms my suspision that it is registered as a drag.

    A simple mouse click is press - release. A drag is nothing more than press - move - release. So if you move the mouse while the button is down, it counts as a drag. The timing of the click doesn't matter - what matters is the distance the mouse moves.

    Maybe your drag threshold is too low, maybe your mouse is too sensitive, or maybe your hand is a bit shaky - I don't know. But what you are describing is exactly what an accidental drag sounds like.

    What part of your description did I get wrong?

     
  • Wolfie

    Wolfie - 2012-08-20

    It won't let me comment on the other report nor will it let me re-open it.

    The way that I click on Start Menu items is the same for how I click on other things, be it explorer, in Word, etc. and before installing Classic Shell, never had this sort of thing happening. For some reason, the start menu is extremely sensitive when Classic Shell is installed. I've been using Windows 7 since late 2009 and didn't experience such an issue until the last half of 2011 (which is when I installed Classic Shell).

    When I say that the mouse has to be completely still when clicking for it to not happen, I'm talking extreme. Imagine watching a cartoon, like Bugs Bunny or something, where the something is on the verge of breaking or whatever but doesn't, then a feather drops on it and suddenly BOOM, it's a disaster. It's that sensitive to where I'm afraid of someone within a 5 mile radius sneezing and causing it to pin the item instead of launching it. This is a level of sensitivity that, again, I never had an issue with before hand. Only reason I even started using Classic Shell is because I like for the Programs menu to branch out into columns instead of having to scroll. If the scrolling method didn't annoy me so much, I'd just uninstall and be rid of the bug.

     
  • Wolfie

    Wolfie - 2012-08-20

    I just now looked at the link you provided and the issue is that I'm not even moving it 4 pixels. When I've tried to force it to happen, it seems to be stubborn on doing it. But I open the menu, move to an item and click and somewhat often it suddenly pins instead of just launching. There is no way that I'm moving it 4+ pixels when doing it. The description of how 'frozen' I have to keep the mouse when clicking is to give an idea on just how sensitive it's being. When I try to make it happen, it tends to not do it, and that's me moving it on purpose. When just wanting to launch, it happens more often. Sort of like moving it doesn't trigger the drag-n-drop but not moving it does.

     
  • Ivo Beltchev

    Ivo Beltchev - 2012-08-20

    OK, I think I can reproduce this now. Only when the All Programs cascading menu is open, clicking on a "recent" item pins it. Is that what you are seeing?

     
  • Wolfie

    Wolfie - 2012-08-20

    I think that's it! Never noticed whether or not the All Programs was open or not, but was able to have it happen two times by waiting for it to open then moving up and clicking on an item. I think that might be way it would 'randomly' happen.

     
  • Jedi Kalimero

    Jedi Kalimero - 2012-09-17

    I am also experimenting this strange behaviour. If it helps, here are my experiencies:

    I have Windows 7 x64 Ultimate and the reason I use Classic Shell is to get back the good old spreading menu of Windows XP in All Programs. Apart from that, I use the Windows 7 Star Menu because I think it is much better than the start menu of Classic Shell (I mean, the start menu of Windows XP).

    Ok, now the experience:
    First of all, this only happens when Classic Menu is running. If I stop Classic Menu, the behaviour disappears.

    I think the problem is the click on an item of the left side list is interpreted as a drag instead of a click. It doesn't have to do with the mouse moving just a fraction or anything like that. I have made tests with holding the mouse totally still and clicking the mouse button very lightly so the mouse doesn't move at all and the Pinning still happens.

    If I click an item and, without moving the mouse, I keep the button down, A floating translucent icon of the item with the phrase "Pin to Start menu" appears. This is the same that appears when you drag an item, except it should not appear if you don't move the mouse. This is a clear evidence of what is the problem (at user level, of course). If you drag an item from the recent part of the list, It is pined to the start menu no matter if you release it in the pinned part of the list or in the recents part. In the case of the problem, since no real dragging is made, it is released in the recents part of the list and because of that, it appears pinned in the last position of the pinned items list.

    Another incorrect behaviour I noticed is when I click in an item that is already pinned, most of the time nothing happens. The normal behaviour should be the program begins to launch and the start menu closes but this doesn't happen.

    The explanation is simple: the problem is the same. The item is also being dragged instead of clicked. But in this case, since the item is already pinned, nothing happens. (if you are wondering why the pin to start menu appears in an item that is already pinned to the start menu, the answer is you can change the order of the items in the list by dragging them)

    The most annoying thing in terms of programming is that the incorrect behaviour doesn't happen 100% of the times but roughly 95%. I don't know if this has something to do with how long has been the mouse totally still before the click since it seems that if you go to the item and slowly and carefully you click on it, it normally works.

    I hope this helps to isolate and solve the problem.

     
  • Ivo Beltchev

    Ivo Beltchev - 2012-09-17

    This is a known issue and will be fixed in the next version.

     
  • Ivo Beltchev

    Ivo Beltchev - 2012-10-28

    This is fixed in version 3.6.2

     
  • Jedi Kalimero

    Jedi Kalimero - 2012-11-09

    Thank you very much!

    I managed to sort it out myself by incrementing the time before the all programs menu opens. I realized every time this happened to me, the all programs menu was opened as I moved the pointer from the start button to the recents/pinned area.

     

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