[CK-Ledger-users] RE: (Feature) Request (for CK-Ledger)

[Marc L. <mf...@ne...>]

Hello anupam,

I read your post with interest. As CK pointed out, I am offering CK-Ledger
running on top of the Xaraya applications framework. If you are familiar
with Envolution you may know that Xaraya, like Envo, is a PostNuke fork. Let
me also state that I'm involved in the Xaraya project, so please take that
into consideration as I state my views :)

First of all, you're not shy about that feature request :), it's pretty
massive. I think CK is spot on with his observation that integration should
be handled by the middle layer, i.e. phpgw, egroupware, Xaraya, Envo, what
have you. So the first task is to settle on a framework. CK has already
stated the position with respect to the first 2, my commitment is to the
third. As to Envolution, I'll make the following comments, which will
probably raise some hackles, but which I think prospective porters need to
understand.

Of all the *Nuke forks Envolution is probably the most risky gamble at this
time. About half a year ago another fork led to a majority of the Envolution
developers moving to MaxDev. Since then Envolution has shut down all non-US
support sites, and this has led to a further reduction of its user base.
Finally, the project is working on a total rewrite of its CMS, which
introduces another uncertainty into the equation. For all I know in a year
Envolution will be top dog, but for now it's in  weeak position IMHO.

At Xaraya we are exploring ways in which the Ledger module might be linked
up to a port of the PostNuke pncommerce module and to John Cox's Paypal
module being developed on Xaraya. So we are moving in a slightly different
direction (e-commerce) than what your feature request proposes.

If you have your heart set on a *Nuke middleware layer, I know for a fact
that the pncommerce team would be interested in porting CK-Ledger to
PostNuke, but there may be a resource problem. So if you think you could
lend a hand in that effort, I'm sure they would be interested to hear from
you (www.pncommerce.com). Alternatively you might raise your feature request
with the people at MaxDev (www.maxdev.com). Their site states a commitment
to business applications iirc, so you might find interest there. They also
probably have the developer base that could take on a project like this.
Only downside (if you can call it that) is that they are heavily Italian
based IMHO. On the other hand PHP is PHP, whether in English or Italian :)

As to DCL there is a lot going on in that niche. DCL has been the best
trouble ticket system in PHP for a while IMHO, but I personally was never
too satisfied with its email gateway solution. I understand there is now a
PHP version of bugzilla out (haven't looked closely), so maybe there will be
another option there.

Just some food for thought,

Marc

-----Original Message-----
From: C K Wu [mailto:ck...@ch...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:55 AM
To: anupam anand; mf...@ne...; ck-...@li...;
php...@gn...
Subject: Re: (Feature) Request (for CK-Ledger)


Hello, anupam,

Thank you for your interest in CK-Ledger.


anupam anand wrote:

>Integrate DCL + egroupware + ck-ledger + good(lean -
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>elegant/corporate look) themes/templates + jetbox/jetstream
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CK-Ledger will remain with phpgw for the forseeable future based on
phpgw's expected use of standard XSLT versus egroupware's adoption of
custom designed etemplate.

I am firstly an accountant, secondly a system developer; so I would
leave any integration (with other apps) to the middle layer, ie
phpgw.  AFAIK, there are on-going discussions to integrate DCL with
phpgw and to utilize xml-rpc to allow phpgw talk with other groupware
software (say Evolution).

There is quite an extensive range of theme/templates embedded
within phpgw to choose from.  If you have suggestions on a
corporate-look theme, you may like to send a request to
php...@gn... or better yet develop the theme
and contribute it to the phpgw theme set.

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>Also, i was wondering if you could integrate the xaraya
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>ledger instead with egroupware; and possibly provide an
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>install doc with the current version itself
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Xaraya-Ledger is a separate project handled by Marc Lutolf.  I am
forwarding this reply to Marc.  He may add his views later on.  The
install doc for the CK-Ledger's current version, v.0.7.3 is embedded
inside the software tarball's doc folders as, the
"Installation Manual - 0.7.3.html" file.

Cheers,
CK

PS - I am forwarding this reply to ck-...@li...
and php...@gn..., so others are aware of current development.

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