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[CK-Ledger-users] New CK-Ledger Demo Website

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Hello, folks,

I have developed a small demo website to showcase the
combined strength of phpGroupWare + SiteMgr + CK-Ledger.

The site is located at http://ck-ledger.sourceforge.net/  .

Have fun .. Enjoy.

Cheers,
CK

[CK-Ledger-users] CK-Ledger v.0.5.1 released

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Hello, folks,

I have posted a new major release, v.0.5.1, of CK-Ledger, at
SourceForge.Net.

New features include alternate line coloring, lang.de files for ck-hr
and ck-service, new Staff Self Service module covering sign in/out,
attendance record, timesheets, leave record, leave application, and
application approval/rejection.  Other enhancements and bug fixes are
also included.

A prelimary demo site has been constructed and is located at
http://ck-ledger.sourceforge.net .   The site will be developed
progressively to include more comprehensive materials on CK-Ledger.

Special thank is due to Marc Lutolf of Switzerland for providing the
lang.de files for ck-hr and ck-service.

CK-Ledger (with 14 modules, Ledger Admin, Ledger, Bank Reconciliation,
Inventory, Service, AP, AR, PO, SO, Quotation, POS for Cashier, POS for
Manager, HR, Staff Self Service) is modeled on an Open Source accounting
software and runs on top of phpGroupWare.  Operating platform can either
be LAMP or LAPP.  It provides accounting and back office functionalities
to SMEs and utilizes phpgw to administer accounts/groups.  A prelimiary
demo site is located at http://ck-ledger.sourceforge.net .
Installation Manual and Features List are also available at
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ck-ledger .   Please report error and
suggestion to the mailing list, ck-...@li....
General history and expected development of CK-Ledger is available at
the mailing list's Archive.


Cheers,
Wu Chiu Kay, aka CK Wu, aka CK (CK is the preferred alias)
Hong Kong

[CK-Ledger-users] Re: ck modules

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Hello, Jerre,

Thank you for your interest in CK-Ledger.

Any assistance in whatever form is most welcome.

I am about to release a new version of CK-Ledger,
which would include a new module on Staff Self Service.
You may like to revisit sourceforge's CK-Ledger project
page, sometimes next week.

Cheers,
CK

Jerre Cope wrote:

> I am delighted to find your project.  I have a mass of
> custom code that is integrated with a commercial accounting
> system.  I wanted to free my code, so I could have an
> entirely opensource product.  I think you're product based
> on the PHP Groupware environment is a good basis to start.
> I have only just installed your packaged and played around a
> little, but it looks like a good foundation from which to
> start.  I'm not sure when I'll be up to speed enough in PHP
> to be of much help to you, but perhaps I may be able to
> contribute to the product at some point in the future.
>
> Thanks for your fine effort
> je...@j-...
> www.j-cope.com

Re: [CK-Ledger-users] Ck-ledger

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Hello, uge,

Since CK-Ledger does not read nor write data directly
to/from raw flat files (there are one or two exceptions),
the concept of file extension name
being used to associate the data files with CK-Ledger
does not apply here.  CK-Ledger interacts
with its data via the database (MySql/PostgreSql) engine.

However, if you are referring to the files that MySql
/PostgresSql uses to store CK-Ledger data,
I must say I am not sure.  However, at the same
time, I don't really care, because CK-Ledger has its
own backup/restore routine to perform the needed
backup via the database backend.  What data files the
database engine works on does not carry significance
at the application level.  At the same time, CK-Ledger's
restore function automatically detect all appropriate files
available for restore.  To learn a bit more about CK-Ledger's
backup/restore function, I would suggest that you download
CK-Ledger.  Build the test data set and work on a few rounds
of backup/restore.

In terms of program files, since CK-Ledger is written in php.
Almost all the program files have the extension .php.

Cheers,
CK


uge chan wrote:

> I'm sorry if it is up to now that I have replied back
> to you.  What I meant was that if I'll be using either
> MySql or PostgresSql, what will be the extension name
> of the ck-ledger?  Extension name like if I'll be
> saving a work in Microsoft Word, the extension name
> will be ".doc"  I hope that you have understood my
> question because I really need to know this for my
> project.
>
> Thank you for your kind consideration and hoping to
> hear from you as soon as possible.
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[CK-Ledger-users] Ck-ledger

[uge c. <ta...@ya...>]

I'm sorry if it is up to now that I have replied back
to you.  What I meant was that if I'll be using either
MySql or PostgresSql, what will be the extension name
of the ck-ledger?  Extension name like if I'll be
saving a work in Microsoft Word, the extension name
will be ".doc"  I hope that you have understood my
question because I really need to know this for my
project.

Thank you for your kind consideration and hoping to
hear from you as soon as possible.

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Re: [CK-Ledger-users] ck-ledger

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Hello, Uge,

Thank you for your interest in CK-Ledger.  However, I am
not sure I understand your question.

Running CK-Ledger does not depend on a particular
filename.ext nor group of filename.ext.  Please refer
to the Installation Manual
(http://ck-ledger.sourceforge.net/installation.html)
to find out how you can download, install and test run CK-Ledger.

Cheers,
CK


uge chan wrote:

> Merry Christmas Everyone!!!
>
> I just wanted to ask you on what filename and
> extension name should I use if I will be using MySQL
> or PostgreSQL.
>
> I hope that you would answer back as soon as possible.
>
> Thank you for the time... GOD Bless!
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[CK-Ledger-users] ck-ledger

[uge c. <ta...@ya...>]

Merry Christmas Everyone!!!

I just wanted to ask you on what filename and
extension name should I use if I will be using MySQL
or PostgreSQL.

I hope that you would answer back as soon as possible.

Thank you for the time... GOD Bless!

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[CK-Ledger-users] Re: HR question

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Hi, Marc,

Sorry for the delay in replying.

The error that you spotted is actually a bug.  I have taken 'payrolgrp'
out of the employee table and forgot to change the update logic :-(  .

As a temporary fix, modify the script, ../ck-hr/inc/class.employee.inc.php,
as follows,

At line 60, delete the words,            <,payrolgrp>
At line 62, delete the words,            <,'$e[payrolgrp]'>
At line 70, delete the words,            <,payrolgrp='$e[payrolgrp]'>

ie, delete the mechanism for updating the field, payrolgrp.

As to the first employee, the supervisor field does allow blank input
and the staff can actually be its own supervisor.  So, just create
the first employee with a blank supervisor.  Subsequently, the supervisor
field can be updated to other staff created later or to the employee
himself/herself.

Hope these help and thank you for spotting the bug.

Cheers,
CK



Marc Lutolf wrote:

> Hi CK,
>
> I'm getting the following error when trying to enter an employee into the HR
> module:
>
> Database error: Invalid SQL: INSERT INTO employee
> (id,name,prefix,family,given,suffix,nationalid,title,supervisor,dept,grade,p
> ayrolgrp) VALUES ('20007','Marc
> Lutolf','Mr','Lutolf','Marc','san','1','Partner','','20003','CEO','')
>
> It seems to be blowing up for lack of values in supervisor and payrolgrp.
> Not sure where to enter payrolgrp, but how can I enter a supervisor if this
> is the first person I'm entering.
>
> Any help appreciated,
>
> Marc

Re: [CK-Ledger-users] I'm surprised at it

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Just testing.  The previous mail does not seem to get thru' to the mailinglist's archive.


C K Wu wrote:

> Hello, CK-Ledger-users list members,
>
> I must apologise for the spams that got thru' lately.
> Apparently, these spam guys are getting clever and
> format their posting to avoid the standard spam filter.
>
> I am changing ck-ledger-users to the moderated mode
> for the moment.  Hopefully, after a while, these spams
> will die down due to lack of interest.  However, this
> will cause posting turn around to be much slower than
> before.  Please bear with me.
>
> Cheers,
> CK
>
> mi...@at... wrote:
>
> > You don't mean it :))..
> >
> > Hi again
> >
> > I am so sorry for not replying sooner it seems that, one of my emails seemed to have gone astray, so I thought I would reply hoping that you would still remember who I am :)) If by some chance you have changed your email, I guess I would have lost an opportunity too. shame :(
> > Anyway, I'm still willing and waiting here http://www.singlers.com/index_vip.html If you want to contact me through the site again  you know where I am.
> >
> > Kisses
> >
> > Ali
> >
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[CK-Ledger-users] United Linux beta3 + phpgw 0.9.14.001 + ck-ledger 0.4.1

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Hello, folks,

I have installed United Linux beta3 (default installation) and test
run phpgw 0.9.14.001 + ck-ledger 0.4.1 with registered_global set to
off.

The relevant config is apache-1.3.26, mysql-3.23.52-20,
postgres-7.2.2-18 and php4-4.2.2-86.

Everything went OK as expected.  The one minor adjustment is
when running against postgresql as the db engine.  The database
user had to be changed to 'wwwrun', which is the default user (owner)
of apache within this environment.

Thought you may be interested.

Cheers,
CK

Re: [CK-Ledger-users] I'm surprised at it

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Hello, CK-Ledger-users list members,

I must apologise for the spams that got thru' lately.
Apparently, these spam guys are getting clever and
format their posting to avoid the standard spam filter.

I am changing ck-ledger-users to the moderated mode
for the moment.  Hopefully, after a while, these spams
will die down due to lack of interest.  However, this
will cause posting turn around to be much slower than
before.  Please bear with me.

Cheers,
CK



mi...@at... wrote:

> You don't mean it :))..
>
> Hi again
>
> I am so sorry for not replying sooner it seems that, one of my emails seemed to have gone astray, so I thought I would reply hoping that you would still remember who I am :)) If by some chance you have changed your email, I guess I would have lost an opportunity too. shame :(
> Anyway, I'm still willing and waiting here http://www.singlers.com/index_vip.html If you want to contact me through the site again  you know where I am.
>
> Kisses
>
> Ali
>
> Member Registration  http://www.singlers.com/index_vip.html
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[CK-Ledger-users] I'm surprised at it

[<mi...@at...>]

You don't mean it :))..


Hi again

I am so sorry for not replying sooner it seems that, one of my emails seemed to have gone astray, so I thought I would reply hoping that you would still remember who I am :)) If by some chance you have changed your email, I guess I would have lost an opportunity too. shame :( 
Anyway, I'm still willing and waiting here http://www.singlers.com/index_vip.html If you want to contact me through the site again  you know where I am.

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Re: [CK-Ledger-users] Error in CreateObject Function

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Hello, salvador Gil Solorio,

Thank you for your interest in ck-ledger.

CK-Ledger is specifically developed for the LAMP and LAPP platform
and had never been tested in a m$-window environment.  I suspect the
problem you encounter relates to differences between the Linux and
m$-window environment.

My suggestion is that you try to install CK-Ledger in a stock RedHat or
Mandrake environment.  Test out the various features of CK-Ledger and
then decide if it is worth the effort to solve the problem of numerous
differences between Linux and m$-window, given that Linux costs $0
to install.  By the way, once you solve your current problem, other
problems relating to Linux/m$-window differences will pop up.

My plan is not to produce a m$-window version, so m$-window users
will shift to use Linux.

However, all these do not affect the client side browser requirement.  Th=
at
is, if CK-Ledger is installed in a Linux server, any standard browser, in=
cluding

IE, can access CK-Ledger readily.

Cheers,
CK

salvador Gil Solorio wrote:

> I'm trying to install ck-ledger on windows 2000, and the url is
> ck-ledger/index.php that is looking for a CreateObject function, becaus=
e the
> script ck-leadger/inc/header.inc.php is looking for.
>
> =BFDo you know were is it?
> =BFCan you help me?
>
>     $t =3D
> CreateObject('phpgwapi.Template',$phpgw->common->get_tpl_dir('ck-ledger=
'));
>
> Thanks.
>
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[CK-Ledger-users] Error in CreateObject Function

[salvador G. S. <s_...@ho...>]

I'm trying to install ck-ledger on windows 2000, and the url is 
ck-ledger/index.php that is looking for a CreateObject function, because the 
script ck-leadger/inc/header.inc.php is looking for.

¿Do you know were is it?
¿Can you help me?

    $t = 
CreateObject('phpgwapi.Template',$phpgw->common->get_tpl_dir('ck-ledger'));

Thanks.




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[CK-Ledger-users] CK-Ledger v.0.4.1 released

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Hello, folks,

I have posted a new major release, v.0.4.1, of CK-Ledger, at
SourceForge.Net.

New features include a new Bank Reconciliation module, embedded
installation manual, embedded features list and new icons for idsociety
theme.

Special thank is due to Narcis Tesa of Canada for providing the icon
images for the idsociety theme.

CK-Ledger (with 13 modules, Ledger Admin, Ledger, Bank Reconciliation,
Inventory, Service, AP, AR, PO, SO, Quotation, POS for Cashier, POS for
Manager, HR) is modelled on an Open Source accounting software and runs
on top of phpGroupWare.  Operating platform can either be LAMP or LAPP.
It provides accounting and back office functionalities to SMEs and
utilizes phpgw to administer accounts/groups.  Installation Manual and
Features List are available at http://sourceforge.net/projects/ck-ledger
(Just click on the [Docs] label at the header menu line above the brief
project description).  Please report error and suggestion to the mailing
list, ck-...@li....  General history and
expected development of CK-Ledger is available at the mailing list's
Archive.


Cheers,
Wu Chiu Kay, aka CK Wu, aka CK (CK is the preferred alias)
Hong Kong

[CK-Ledger-users] Not sure

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think you replied to my personal ad!
Yes I do get a lot of responses but you got me curious I haven't done this
in a while so please forgive my nervousness. And I hope your still around,
(the good people always get taken fast) Anyway since I know a "little" about
you :) (that was cute by the way), you should take a look at me so that you
can decide if we match.
I'm not sure exactly what ad you replied to, I have a couple, but I do
have a detailed profile with a picture at http://www.hot.ee/vipsingles
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[CK-Ledger-users] Re: [Phpgroupware-developers] CK-Ledger imports

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Hello, Bob,

I've not use QuickBook.  However, if an appropriate converter cannot be found,
one possibility is to pick one or more Quickbook report(s) that contain the
approprate content.  Dump the report image to a flat file or spreadsheet.
Extract the needed data from there.  Secondly, to minimize the volume
of data transfer, you may like to do the transfer as of your company's
financial year-end.  At this point in time, you could skip transferring
the Income and Expense account balances.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
CK

Bob Crandell wrote:

> There are a few limited exporting functions but not a dump it all to a text file
> kind of thing.  I heard of some really expensive utilities that might do it.
>
> QuickBooks is really closed.
>
> Chris Weiss (ch...@fr...) wrote*:
> >
> >can qwuikbooks export it to qif files?
> >
> >Bob Crandell (bo...@as...) wrote*:
> >>
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>I would like to import the my company data from Quickbooks into CK-Ledger.  I think
> >>I can figure out how to line up the fields with the ledger data but I can't, for
> >the
> >>life of me, figure out how to get the data out of Quickbooks.  There was a
> >>discussion about this on SQL-Ledger's mailing list but I don't think they ever got
> >>to the bottom line.  Has anyone here done this?  Maybe a program that pulls the
> >>*.qbw apart?
> >>
> >>If can get the data into CK-Ledger, I can run them in parallel until CK-Ledger
> >>proves itself.
> >>
> >>Thanks
> >>
> >>bo...@as...
> >>www.assuredcomp.com
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [CK-Ledger-users] Invitation to produce translation for CK-ledger

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Hi, Robert,

Thanks for volunteering, and, Spanish translation is your baby now.

Cheers,
CK

robert wrote:

> On Wednesday 27 November 2002 12:16 am, C K Wu wrote:
> > I would like to invite your participation to produce translations
> > for CK-Ledger.
>
> I'll add Spanish to my todo list if no one else wants it.  :)
>
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Re: [CK-Ledger-users] Invitation to produce translation for CK-ledger

[robert <rd...@st...>]

On Wednesday 27 November 2002 12:16 am, C K Wu wrote:
> I would like to invite your participation to produce translations
> for CK-Ledger. =20

I'll add Spanish to my todo list if no one else wants it.  :)

robert

[CK-Ledger-users] Re: [Phpgroupware-users] CK-Ledger v.0.3.1 released

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Hi, Bob,

I've look through the case.  Without adding in too many fancy features,
I should be about to squeeze bank reconciliation into the next release
of CK-Ledger, which should be ready in about two months' time.

Cheers,
CK

C K Wu wrote:

> Hi, Bob,
>
> Um....  Let me do a bit of analysis on how much to include in such a module
> and thus the effort involved.  I'll come back to you in a few hours' time.
>
> Cheers,
> CK
>
> Bob Crandell wrote:
>
> > Hi C K Wu,
> >
> > Most of my clients would be very interested in the bank reconciliation.  Lots of
> > them (I don't know how many) outsource their payroll.  How open are you to switching
> >  these 2 modules finishing the reconciliation module first?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > C K Wu (ck...@ch...) wrote*:
> > >
> > >Hi, Bob,
> > >
> > >Hsing-Foo is right about SME.  It stands for Small to Medium size Enterprise.
> > >The target users of CK-Ledger are organizations that have about 10-100 employees,
> > >computer users, etc.  They would probably have at least one system admin, and
> > >an accountant that is fairly familiar with computer systems.
> > >
> > >Before I go any further.  Let me throw in a standard rider.  The software is
> > >still in beta, so bugs are inevitable.
> > >
> > >The immediate plan for CK-Ledger is to complete a payrol module, which
> > >will bring it on par with similar software, such as NOLA.  Bank
> > >reconciliation will be high on the agenda, but I am afraid it won't be added
> > >till several months later.
> > >
> > >Cheers,
> > >CK
> > >
> > >Bob Crandell wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> One of the things that bother me about SQL-Ledger is it won't reconcile bank
> > >> statements yet.  It is on his todo list.  Does CK-Ledger?
> > >>
> > >> I'm not an accountant and all I know about it is debits are closest to the
> > >> window.  I'm in the position of needing someone else to tell me if it's what I
> > >> want/need.  What's SME?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks.
> > >>
> > >> Marc Lutolf (mf...@ne...) wrote*:
> > >> >
> > >> >We are using A/R and services, but just starting up. We are using them in a
> > >> >German setting, so we're still wrestling with translation problems.
> > >> >
> > >> >We initially looked at SQL Ledger and I have to say it's a pretty good
> > >> >product. On the other hand I don't want to add Perl to the mix we already
> > >> >have and we would like to have the possibility of customizing the code if
> > >> >need be, so PHP is a good thing.
> > >> >Having the permissions infrastructure and OOP stuff that phpgw brings to the
> > >> >party has made it easy to build on a foundation that's already solid.
> > >> >
> > >> >CK-Ledger has come very very far in a short time. It still needs a lot of UI
> > >> >work to make it handle a bit easily, but the functionality is quite there.
> > >> >With the new HR module (which I havn't looked at yet) this should be a
> > >> >fairly complete accounting package for SME.
> > >> >
> > >> >Also, I can say from experience that CK Wu is very responsive to enhancement
> > >> >requests. That in itself is worth it's weight in truffles (or gold, if you
> > >> >prefer).
> > >> >
> > >> >Is it mature enough? Well, it was in alpha until about 3 months ago, if I
> > >> >recall correctly. In my view an accounting program has to be able to post
> > >> >and balance. Yes, it does that and it doesn't break. Everything else is UI
> > >> >or nice to have. As long as the functionality is there I'll tweak the
> > >> >templates to make it look the way I want. That said CK-Ledger still needs
> > >> >user feedback to iron out the little things that make a user's life a bit
> > >> >more comfortable.
> > >> >
> > >> >If you know phpgw the setup is actually quite simple. If not the
> > >> >installation instructions posted on sourceforge are quite good, better than
> > >> >most. But if "mature" means installing out of the box this morning and
> > >> >having your accountant posting after lunch, well, soon but not quite yet.
> > >> >
> > >> >I'm a big fan of this app. It's a nice piece of work. I'd be very happy if
> > >> >more people used it.
> > >> >
> > >> >Marc
> > >> >
> > >> >-----Original Message-----
> > >> >From: php...@gn...
> > >> >[mailto:php...@gn...]On Behalf Of Bob Crandell
> > >> >Sent: 26 November 2002 15:58
> > >> >To: php...@gn...
> > >> >Subject: Re: [Phpgroupware-users] CK-Ledger v.0.3.1 released
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >Hi,
> > >> >
> > >> >Is anyone using this for real yet?  Is it mature enough yet?  We are using
> > >> >Quickbooks now and hate it.  I have been looking at SQL-Ledger but having
> > >> >accounting
> > >> >in the same interface as phpGroupware might be better.
> > >> >
> > >> >Thanks
> > >> >
> > >> >bo...@as...
> > >> >www.assuredcomp.com
> > >> >Eugene, Or. 97402
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >_______________________________________________
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> > >> >
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> > >> When you need to be sure.
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[CK-Ledger-users] Invitation to produce translation for CK-ledger

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Hi, folks,

CK-Ledger is a set of add-on double-entry accounting
modules for phpgroupware.  The latest release, v.0.3.1, has
a full set of English lang() files embedded within the
tarball.

I would like to invite your participation to produce translations
for CK-Ledger.  You are also most welcome to produce sample
chart of accounts for your target country and/or jurisdiction.  You
may like to take note of the following points when producing
the sample chart of accounts.

a)    Please, draw up the new sample Chart of Accounts based
        on a fictitious company or organisation.  I would like to
        avoid any future lawsuit claiming intellectual property right
        or trade secret.

b)    Please, indicate what industry the fictitious company is in.

c)    Please, limit the number of accounts to under 50.

d)    Please, draw up the Chart of Accounts in the form of,

        A/C#, Description, Type (A|H), Charttype (A|L|Q|I|E)

        A (type)    - account
        H - heading
        A (charttype) - asset
        L - liability
        Q - equity
        I - income
        E - expense

        one account per line and inside a pure text (ASCII) file or
        send it to me as inline text of an email.

e)    Please, provide a brief description of the transactional
        (VAT/Sales) tax of the country concerned, so I can
        adjust the software accordingly.

f)    or, if you feel adventuresome, program the Chart of Accounts,
        yourself, ie, provide a  ..../ledadmin/adminbuild.php clone
        for the fictitious company.  After appropriate testing, I'll
        incorporate the new Chart of Accounts into the main
        CK-Ledger code.

Marc Lutolf has graciously agreed to take charge of the German
translation.  I, myself, will produce the Chinese translation,but,
if anyone like to take charge of the Chinese translation, please do so.
Just send me a email first, so I could delete one great big item from my

todo list  :-) .

Any feedback welcomed.

Cheers,
CK

[CK-Ledger-users] Re: [Phpgroupware-users] CK-Ledger v.0.3.1 released

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Hi, Bob,

Hsing-Foo is right about SME.  It stands for Small to Medium size Enterprise.
The target users of CK-Ledger are organizations that have about 10-100 employees,
computer users, etc.  They would probably have at least one system admin, and
an accountant that is fairly familiar with computer systems.

Before I go any further.  Let me throw in a standard rider.  The software is
still in beta, so bugs are inevitable.

The immediate plan for CK-Ledger is to complete a payrol module, which
will bring it on par with similar software, such as NOLA.  Bank
reconciliation will be high on the agenda, but I am afraid it won't be added
till several months later.

Cheers,
CK

Bob Crandell wrote:

> Hi,
>
> One of the things that bother me about SQL-Ledger is it won't reconcile bank
> statements yet.  It is on his todo list.  Does CK-Ledger?
>
> I'm not an accountant and all I know about it is debits are closest to the
> window.  I'm in the position of needing someone else to tell me if it's what I
> want/need.  What's SME?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Marc Lutolf (mf...@ne...) wrote*:
> >
> >We are using A/R and services, but just starting up. We are using them in a
> >German setting, so we're still wrestling with translation problems.
> >
> >We initially looked at SQL Ledger and I have to say it's a pretty good
> >product. On the other hand I don't want to add Perl to the mix we already
> >have and we would like to have the possibility of customizing the code if
> >need be, so PHP is a good thing.
> >Having the permissions infrastructure and OOP stuff that phpgw brings to the
> >party has made it easy to build on a foundation that's already solid.
> >
> >CK-Ledger has come very very far in a short time. It still needs a lot of UI
> >work to make it handle a bit easily, but the functionality is quite there.
> >With the new HR module (which I havn't looked at yet) this should be a
> >fairly complete accounting package for SME.
> >
> >Also, I can say from experience that CK Wu is very responsive to enhancement
> >requests. That in itself is worth it's weight in truffles (or gold, if you
> >prefer).
> >
> >Is it mature enough? Well, it was in alpha until about 3 months ago, if I
> >recall correctly. In my view an accounting program has to be able to post
> >and balance. Yes, it does that and it doesn't break. Everything else is UI
> >or nice to have. As long as the functionality is there I'll tweak the
> >templates to make it look the way I want. That said CK-Ledger still needs
> >user feedback to iron out the little things that make a user's life a bit
> >more comfortable.
> >
> >If you know phpgw the setup is actually quite simple. If not the
> >installation instructions posted on sourceforge are quite good, better than
> >most. But if "mature" means installing out of the box this morning and
> >having your accountant posting after lunch, well, soon but not quite yet.
> >
> >I'm a big fan of this app. It's a nice piece of work. I'd be very happy if
> >more people used it.
> >
> >Marc
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: php...@gn...
> >[mailto:php...@gn...]On Behalf Of Bob Crandell
> >Sent: 26 November 2002 15:58
> >To: php...@gn...
> >Subject: Re: [Phpgroupware-users] CK-Ledger v.0.3.1 released
> >
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >Is anyone using this for real yet?  Is it mature enough yet?  We are using
> >Quickbooks now and hate it.  I have been looking at SQL-Ledger but having
> >accounting
> >in the same interface as phpGroupware might be better.
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >bo...@as...
> >www.assuredcomp.com
> >Eugene, Or. 97402
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Phpgroupware-users mailing list
> >Php...@gn...
> >http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/phpgroupware-users
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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> >Php...@gn...
> >http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/phpgroupware-users
> >
>
> --
> Bob Crandell
> Assured Computing
> When you need to be sure.
> Voice 541-689-9159
> FAX   240-371-7237
> bo...@as...
> www.assuredcomp.com
> Eugene, Or. 97402
>
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[CK-Ledger-users] Re: [Phpgroupware-users] CK-Ledger v.0.3.1 released

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Hi, Chris, Hsing-Foo, Dave,

Thank you for the suggestion and input.

All ledger accounting systems have a non-technical (and sometimes
computing illiterate) QA, the financial auditor.  Segregation
of duty and different levels of access are their major concern.  It is
often a futile exercise trying to explain the effectiveness of the
hidden acl built into the system.  The best way to allay their fear is to
show how the accessing icon simply disappears from the screen
of an unauthorised user.  Indeed, it is this phpgroupware feature
of turning off an entire module that finally convince me phpgroupware
is the right platform to build the CK-Ledger group of applications.

As to documentation, I'll certainly include the installation manual
into the Docs dir of each module in the next release.

Cheers,
CK

Dave Hall wrote:

> Hsing-Foo Wang <hsi...@st...> wrote:
>
> > On the other hand....
> >
> > Thanks. CK! For a great contribution.
> > I agree it's a bit of a surprise to see the content being droppend in
> > the current directory.
> >
> > Therefore a kind request, is it possible to pack all the modules in 1
> > directory e.g. called 'ck-ledger' ?
>
> Yes, but I think email does not always come across the way the sender
> intented.  I think most people have posted at least one message to a
> list in their life that came across the wrong way.
>
> >
> > Adding apps to phpgw is explained by the phpgw docs, which I followed
> > and worked perfectly. The 'frontpage' of every 'ck-ledger module'
> > tellsit all. On the other hand I guess a small readme.txt within the
> > 'ck-ledger' dir which explains the rules of incorpoating apss into
> > phpgwand a brief excerpt of the index pages of each module would be
> > nice.
>
> Document Document Document ... and put them in a easy to find place.
>
> > Phpgw team, could you please assist CK with a small step by step
> > instruction set on how to incorporate a app? CK is bussy enough all by
> > his own self ;-)
>
> There are docs on this already on phpgroupware.org in the developer
> section, yes they are a bit dated, but they give a general idea.
>
> >
> > CK, could you please consider the packaging of modules into 1 dir with
> > the provided instructions and your own additions?
> >
> > [me sticking my nose in 'your business' ;-)]
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Hsing-Foo
> >
> > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > > Van: php...@gn...
> > > [mailto:php...@gn...] Namens Chris Weiss
> > > Verzonden: maandag 25 november 2002 18:55
> > > Aan: php...@gn...
> > > Onderwerp: Re: [Phpgroupware-users] CK-Ledger v.0.3.1 released
> > >
> > >
> > > maybe it's just a peeve of mine, but it irks me to no end
> > > when i extract a tarball and it creates SOMETHING OTHER than
> > > just a single directory preferably named exactly the same as
> > > tarball.  So now I have these 10 dirs stuck right in with the
> > > rest of my downloads that I gotta move around to keep them seperate.
> > >
> > >
> > > And I don't even get a README in the root of the tarball or a
> > > docs dir!  GRRRR!!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > C K Wu (ck...@ch...) wrote*:
> > > >
> > > >Hello, folks,
> > > >
> > > >I have posted a new major release, v.0.3.1, of CK-Ledger, at
> > > >SourceForge.Net.
> > > >
> > > >New features include a new HR module, multiple ledger within one
> > > >database, Trial Balance by attribute, Balance Sheet by
> > attribute,
> > > >Ledger Listing by attribute, standard remark, full set of
> > English
> > > >lang() files, and new icons.  Other enhancements and bug
> > > fixes are also
> > > >included.
> > > >
> > > >Special thank is due to Marc Lutolf of Switzerland for providing
> > the
> > > >initial set of English lang() files.
> > > >
> > > >To maintain multiple ledgers within one database, the relevant
> > > >attribute's [Keep Value Constant within a single journal]
> > > setting must
> > > >be set to [yes].  The test data illustrates how the ledgers for
> > > >Employee Retirement Fund and Product R&D Fund are embedded in
> > the
> > > >overall corporate ledger(database).
> > > >
> > > >This version of CK-Ledger had been tested OK against the new
> > > >phpGroupWare-0.9.14.001 release.
> > > >
> > > >CK-Ledger (with 12 modules, Ledger Admin, Ledger, Inventory,
> > > Service,
> > > >AP, AR, PO, SO, Quotation, POS for Cashier, POS for Manager, HR)
> > is
> > > >modeled on an Open Source accounting software and runs on top of
> > > >phpGroupWare.  Operating platform can either be LAMP or LAPP.
> > It
> > > >provides accounting and back office functionalities to SMEs and
> > > >utilizes phpgw to administer accounts/groups.  Installation
> > > Manual and
> > > >Features List are available at
> > > >http://sourceforge.net/projects/ck-ledger (Just click on the
> > [Docs]
> > > >label at the header menu line above the brief project
> > description).
> > > >Please report error and suggestion to the mailing list,
> > > >ck-...@li....  General history and
> > expected
> > > >development of CK-Ledger is available at the mailing list's
> > Archive.> >
> > > >
> > > >Cheers,
> > > >Wu Chiu Kay, aka CK Wu, aka CK (CK is the preferred alias) Hong
> > Kong> >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > >
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[CK-Ledger-users] CK-Ledger v.0.3.1 released

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Hello, folks,

I have posted a new major release, v.0.3.1, of CK-Ledger, at
SourceForge.Net.

New features include a new HR module, multiple ledger within one
database, Trial Balance by attribute, Balance Sheet by attribute, Ledger
Listing by attribute, standard remark, full set of English lang() files,
and new icons.  Other enhancements and bug fixes are also included.

Special thank is due to Marc Lutolf of Switzerland for providing the
initial set of English lang() files.

To maintain multiple ledgers within one database, the relevant
attribute's [Keep Value Constant within a single journal] setting must
be set to [yes].  The test data illustrates how the ledgers for Employee
Retirement Fund and Product R&D Fund are embedded in the overall
corporate ledger(database).

This version of CK-Ledger had been tested OK against the new
phpGroupWare-0.9.14.001 release.

CK-Ledger (with 12 modules, Ledger Admin, Ledger, Inventory, Service,
AP, AR, PO, SO, Quotation, POS for Cashier, POS for Manager, HR) is
modeled on an Open Source accounting software and runs on top of
phpGroupWare.  Operating platform can either be LAMP or LAPP.  It
provides accounting and back office functionalities to SMEs and utilizes
phpgw to administer accounts/groups.  Installation Manual and Features
List are available at http://sourceforge.net/projects/ck-ledger (Just
click on the [Docs] label at the header menu line above the brief
project description).  Please report error and suggestion to the mailing
list, ck-...@li....  General history and
expected development of CK-Ledger is available at the mailing list's
Archive.


Cheers,
Wu Chiu Kay, aka CK Wu, aka CK (CK is the preferred alias)
Hong Kong

[CK-Ledger-users] Mandrake9.0

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Hello, Folks,

I've tested my codebase (CK-Ledger 0.2.3 + additonal HR module)
against Mandrake9.0 and PhpGroupWare0.9.14.

Everything installed fine.  However, when logging in, an error message
appeared,

Warning:  Unable to load dynamic library
'/usr/lib/php/extensions/xml.so' - /usr/lib/php/extensions/xml.so cannot
open shared object file:  No such file or directory in
/var/www/html/phpgroupware/phpgwapi/inc/xml.functions.inc.php on line 32

This is apparently due to xml extension not being compiled into
Mandrake9.0's native
php module.

The rectification was to install php-xml-4.2.3-1mdk.(arch).rpm from
Mandrake9.0's
install CD2.  After that, everything went back to normal.

Thought you may be interested.

Cheers,
CK