Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED

[Schobeiri, W. <ws...@de...>]

Well: I have no clue what is going on. But I did just move to Chicago  
from Texas and thought I'd register on this listserv;
I'd like to say hi to everyone. I work out in the suburbs, but  
hopefully some time in the near months I'll be able to make it to one  
of the lunches or after work seminars/things you guys do.

That being said, continue the childish bickering. It's always more  
effective than actually doing the thing you'd like to see done.</ 
sarcasm>

Cheers,
Wilfried Schobeiri

On Nov 1, 2007, at 11:58 , Richard Lynch wrote:

> Let me nip something in the bud before this gets out of hand...
>
> The hosting is paid for already, by me, and it's on the php.net
> domain, as well as the sourceforge servers, and that is not changing.
>
> I already volunteer enough thank you very much, and don't need your
> "requirement" to do so.
>
> If you don't like the jobs being posted, just hit delete.
>
> If you want better discussion, start one.
>
> Failing that, if you dislike the list that much, just leave, and start
> your own list.
> [shrug]
>
> On Thu, October 25, 2007 11:33 pm, matt donohue wrote:
>> Some thoughts-
>> Picture this press release:
>> "Chicago PHP Society builds web site for No Kill Animal Shelter".
>> Or- you can be a list that answers 3 newbie questions a year and 1
>> really bad quote request.
>> Like I said- re-invent yourselves and have a purpose or die. There is
>> no PHP pulse anyone on this list needs to be abreast of. I don't need
>> any advice or job off this list so what am I doing? No offense but,
>> the last newbie we had was and is a jag.
>>
>> As for volunteering- Yes, I'll build and host a site. Any members
>> would need to commit to a volunteer schedule for Chicago non-profits.
>> Not sure you would want me in that position as I'm extremely liberal
>> and quite dogmatic.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Anacreo <an...@gm...>
>> To: chi...@li...
>> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:42:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED
>>
>>
>> Hmm I guess I'm more the care bare spirit.  While I do nod and agree
>> with
>> much of what you say Matt.  I do think slamming someone looking for
>> help as
>> a bit harsh.  For me I'm not much of a meeting type either, I'm more
>> of the
>> go it alone and toss an idea out when I'm frustrated by a problem.  I
>> do
>> enjoy problem solving which is why I join lists like this in the  
>> first
>> place.  If someone has a problem I enjoy the challenge of trying to
>> figure
>> it out, that's all I am looking for in this user group, so to each
>> their
>> own.  I agree about the website though as a community user group who
>> am I to
>> complain about it if I'm not going to fix it.  If you want a new site
>> /
>> majordomo try building it and propose it and see if it gets ratified.
>>
>> Alec
>>
>> On 10/25/07, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Young? No. I said I've been on the almost list since it started.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Jason Rexilius <ja...@ho...>
>>> To: chi...@li...
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:27:21 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED
>>>
>>>
>>> Matt,
>>>
>>>   Forgive me, but you must be fairly young. ;-)
>>>
>>>   User groups never have a "purpose" or "vision" or any such
>>> thing..
>>> It's like a street market.. lotsa "other peoples treasure" and the
>>> odd
>>> thing that you find valuable.
>>>
>>>   That being said, the value I find in it is keeping a loose finger
>>> on
>>> the pulse of local mindsets in relation to PHP.  That helps about as
>>> much as watching CNN helps the average person, but I still find it
>>> useful.
>>>
>>>   The other purpose it serves is a place for young people with
>>> energy
>>> to use it as a springboard to do interesting things with their time,
>>> passion and energy.  It does sound like you are volunteering ;-)
>>>
>>>   It is a pool of people, although not like-minded, with at least
>>> one
>>> or more common interest that you can draw from, serve or dismiss as
>>> your
>>> enthusiasm dictates.
>>>
>>>   I organize a yearly tech event and try and keep in touch with the
>>> user groups and support other people doing interesting things.  Do
>>> something interesting and I'll support it.
>>>
>>>   As to discussion, it is a community with _widely_ varying levels
>>> of
>>> expertise so its hard to have a standard.  I personally would like
>>> to
>>> have more involved discussions about some advanced topics but its
>>> difficult on a list.  Meetings are better places for the discussion
>>> I
>>> enjoy, usually.
>>>
>>>   Cheers and have fun.. Maybe build a new website to help with some
>>> shortcomings you see.
>>>
>>> -jason
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> matt donohue wrote:
>>>> Preface- I know I must be wrong at least 51% of the time
>>> otherwise, I
>>> would be way ahead at poker.
>>>>
>>>> In case anyone was put off by the snark (Arlo already vented), I
>>> profer
>>> this rant,
>>>>
>>>> I sometimes find myself frustrated by the purpose of the list (and
>>> it's
>>> lack of humor). There is hardly any dialog on the list beyond what
>>> framework
>>> is best to use and the rare question. Is it a list of vetted
>>> professionals
>>> or a loose collection of hacks? I know some people are on the list
>>> because
>>> they enjoy the meetings and socializing with other like minded
>>> people but,
>>> I've never been that interested in any meeting topics and I prefer
>>> to learn
>>> things on my own (my being anti-social plays no part). That said-
>>> I'm sure I
>>> pissed off the other half of the list but, I don't really care.
>>> Start a new
>>> dialog- what is the value of the list? Because if it doesn't change
>>> and grow
>>> it becomes irrelevant, and If the list is supposed to be some
>>> adjunct to
>>> Craigslist's Computer Gigs you can color me gone. I do enjoy helping
>>> other
>>> PHP users and believe I have good track record regarding, I just
>>> think the
>>> list should have a higher standard, more diverse purpose and
>>> some
>>>> benefits for the members.
>>>>
>>>> Things that bug:
>>>> * The list has never had a good website since maybe the first year
>>> or
>>> two when there where actual profiles on it. What are peoples
>>> skill-sets?
>>> Where do they work? Outside interests? How many members are there?
>>> I'm sure
>>> I could get all that at a meeting but, like I said, I haven't been
>>> to a
>>> meeting ever in 8 plus years, and if we do want to represent a
>>> 'guild' as it
>>> where, we should make some member data available to the public.
>>>> * If the list was organized (i.e. a real website) and did
>>> represent a
>>> list of vetted professionals it would serve as a go-to resource for
>>> advertising agencies and other freelance opportunities. The fact
>>> that there
>>> is no organization (and hence no respect I'm guessing), has these
>>> potential
>>> revenue resources using other venues like craigslist and recruiters
>>> (uhhg).
>>> The list 'could' represent a job bench, if the effort was made and
>>> some
>>> minor marketing where applied. I mean- look at other professions,
>>> they have
>>> societies that promote the members. CHIPHPUG doesn't even know who
>>> it's
>>> members are?
>>>> * Jobs posted to the list should meet a standard or be called out-
>>> otherwise the list becomes as relevant as the most base job posted.
>>> Does the
>>> 'list' work for $15 an hour and hack designers? I hope not. It's not
>>> about
>>> being elitist- It's standing up for your vocation and not allowing
>>> other
>>> people to trivialize your skills and what you represent. Other lists
>>> are
>>> much more mercenary. I have no idea why this one is so inclusive.
>>>> It reminds me of when my college would post $10 p/hr jobs on the
>>> job
>>> board (I paid you $20K a year and you post that?). That debases
>>> everything
>>> you represent.
>>>> * A Chicago PHP using company survey would be helpful, considering
>>> everyone on the list has either applied or worked at probably every
>>> PHP
>>> advocating company there is. Helpful info might include:
>>>> hiring status, salary, reporting supervisor, environment, opinion
>>> etc..
>>> I could fill a small book with my knowledge. I mean, think about the
>>> time
>>> that would save people.
>>>> * There isn't a PHP job out there that doesn't require knowledge
>>> of PHP
>>> and AJAX. So, since everyone
>>>> on the list is, for the most part, beyond proficient at PHP,
>>> extending
>>> the list to AJAX/Javascript concerns might invigorate it. I know, I
>>> personally have way more to offer regarding JS than PHP and all of
>>> it is
>>> practical or relevant to the group. I doubt the list is composed of
>>> PHP
>>> 'backenders' and I've never had a job myself that didn't involve
>>> both UI and
>>> and backend development.
>>>> * Lastly- I know I already stated my reticence to meetings but, a
>>> CHIPHPUG poker showdown I could get behind. $100 a pop- winner gets
>>> bragging
>>> rights for a year. I'll host West loop.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this stirs the nest... I really would like the list to have
>>> more
>>> purpose cause I know Java and C# and still prefer the crack of PHP.
>>> Just
>>> wish it was represented better.
>>>>
>>>> Oh- and go Chicago Fire!!!
>>>>
>>>> Rant over,
>>>> Matt
>>>>
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