Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED

[Anacreo <an...@gm...>]

Hmm I guess I'm more the care bare spirit.  While I do nod and agree with
much of what you say Matt.  I do think slamming someone looking for help as
a bit harsh.  For me I'm not much of a meeting type either, I'm more of the
go it alone and toss an idea out when I'm frustrated by a problem.  I do
enjoy problem solving which is why I join lists like this in the first
place.  If someone has a problem I enjoy the challenge of trying to figure
it out, that's all I am looking for in this user group, so to each their
own.  I agree about the website though as a community user group who am I to
complain about it if I'm not going to fix it.  If you want a new site /
majordomo try building it and propose it and see if it gets ratified.

Alec

On 10/25/07, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote:
>
> Young? No. I said I've been on the almost list since it started.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jason Rexilius <ja...@ho...>
> To: chi...@li...
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:27:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED
>
>
> Matt,
>
>    Forgive me, but you must be fairly young. ;-)
>
>    User groups never have a "purpose" or "vision" or any such thing..
> It's like a street market.. lotsa "other peoples treasure" and the odd
> thing that you find valuable.
>
>    That being said, the value I find in it is keeping a loose finger on
> the pulse of local mindsets in relation to PHP.  That helps about as
> much as watching CNN helps the average person, but I still find it useful.
>
>    The other purpose it serves is a place for young people with energy
> to use it as a springboard to do interesting things with their time,
> passion and energy.  It does sound like you are volunteering ;-)
>
>    It is a pool of people, although not like-minded, with at least one
> or more common interest that you can draw from, serve or dismiss as your
> enthusiasm dictates.
>
>    I organize a yearly tech event and try and keep in touch with the
> user groups and support other people doing interesting things.  Do
> something interesting and I'll support it.
>
>    As to discussion, it is a community with _widely_ varying levels of
> expertise so its hard to have a standard.  I personally would like to
> have more involved discussions about some advanced topics but its
> difficult on a list.  Meetings are better places for the discussion I
> enjoy, usually.
>
>    Cheers and have fun.. Maybe build a new website to help with some
> shortcomings you see.
>
> -jason
>
>
>
>
> matt donohue wrote:
> > Preface- I know I must be wrong at least 51% of the time otherwise, I
> would be way ahead at poker.
> >
> > In case anyone was put off by the snark (Arlo already vented), I profer
> this rant,
> >
> > I sometimes find myself frustrated by the purpose of the list (and it's
> lack of humor). There is hardly any dialog on the list beyond what framework
> is best to use and the rare question. Is it a list of vetted professionals
> or a loose collection of hacks? I know some people are on the list because
> they enjoy the meetings and socializing with other like minded people but,
> I've never been that interested in any meeting topics and I prefer to learn
> things on my own (my being anti-social plays no part). That said- I'm sure I
> pissed off the other half of the list but, I don't really care. Start a new
> dialog- what is the value of the list? Because if it doesn't change and grow
> it becomes irrelevant, and If the list is supposed to be some adjunct to
> Craigslist's Computer Gigs you can color me gone. I do enjoy helping other
> PHP users and believe I have good track record regarding, I just think the
> list should have a higher standard, more diverse purpose and
> some
> >  benefits for the members.
> >
> > Things that bug:
> > * The list has never had a good website since maybe the first year or
> two when there where actual profiles on it. What are peoples skill-sets?
> Where do they work? Outside interests? How many members are there? I'm sure
> I could get all that at a meeting but, like I said, I haven't been to a
> meeting ever in 8 plus years, and if we do want to represent a 'guild' as it
> where, we should make some member data available to the public.
> > * If the list was organized (i.e. a real website) and did represent a
> list of vetted professionals it would serve as a go-to resource for
> advertising agencies and other freelance opportunities. The fact that there
> is no organization (and hence no respect I'm guessing), has these potential
> revenue resources using other venues like craigslist and recruiters (uhhg).
> The list 'could' represent a job bench, if the effort was made and some
> minor marketing where applied. I mean- look at other professions, they have
> societies that promote the members. CHIPHPUG doesn't even know who it's
> members are?
> > * Jobs posted to the list should meet a standard or be called out-
> otherwise the list becomes as relevant as the most base job posted. Does the
> 'list' work for $15 an hour and hack designers? I hope not. It's not about
> being elitist- It's standing up for your vocation and not allowing other
> people to trivialize your skills and what you represent. Other lists are
> much more mercenary. I have no idea why this one is so inclusive.
> > It reminds me of when my college would post $10 p/hr jobs on the job
> board (I paid you $20K a year and you post that?). That debases everything
> you represent.
> > * A Chicago PHP using company survey would be helpful, considering
> everyone on the list has either applied or worked at probably every PHP
> advocating company there is. Helpful info might include:
> > hiring status, salary, reporting supervisor, environment, opinion etc..
> I could fill a small book with my knowledge. I mean, think about the time
> that would save people.
> > * There isn't a PHP job out there that doesn't require knowledge of PHP
> and AJAX. So, since everyone
> > on the list is, for the most part, beyond proficient at PHP, extending
> the list to AJAX/Javascript concerns might invigorate it. I know, I
> personally have way more to offer regarding JS than PHP and all of it is
> practical or relevant to the group. I doubt the list is composed of PHP
> 'backenders' and I've never had a job myself that didn't involve both UI and
> and backend development.
> > * Lastly- I know I already stated my reticence to meetings but, a
> CHIPHPUG poker showdown I could get behind. $100 a pop- winner gets bragging
> rights for a year. I'll host West loop.
> >
> > Hope this stirs the nest... I really would like the list to have more
> purpose cause I know Java and C# and still prefer the crack of PHP. Just
> wish it was represented better.
> >
> > Oh- and go Chicago Fire!!!
> >
> > Rant over,
> > Matt
> >
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