Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED

[Nola S. <mrn...@gm...>]

I believe there has been requests for someone to help with the website
in the past --- and it was talked about at the meetings.

Are you volunteering?

On 10/25/07, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote:
> Preface- I know I must be wrong at least 51% of the time otherwise, I would be way ahead at poker.
>
> In case anyone was put off by the snark (Arlo already vented), I profer this rant,
>
> I sometimes find myself frustrated by the purpose of the list (and it's lack of humor). There is hardly any dialog on the list beyond what framework is best to use and the rare question. Is it a list of vetted professionals or a loose collection of hacks? I know some people are on the list because they enjoy the meetings and socializing with other like minded people but, I've never been that interested in any meeting topics and I prefer to learn things on my own (my being anti-social plays no part). That said- I'm sure I pissed off the other half of the list but, I don't really care. Start a new dialog- what is the value of the list? Because if it doesn't change and grow it becomes irrelevant, and If the list is supposed to be some adjunct to Craigslist's Computer Gigs you can color me gone. I do enjoy helping other PHP users and believe I have good track record regarding, I just think the list should have a higher standard, more diverse purpose and some
>  benefits for the members.
>
> Things that bug:
> * The list has never had a good website since maybe the first year or two when there where actual profiles on it. What are peoples skill-sets? Where do they work? Outside interests? How many members are there? I'm sure I could get all that at a meeting but, like I said, I haven't been to a meeting ever in 8 plus years, and if we do want to represent a 'guild' as it where, we should make some member data available to the public.
> * If the list was organized (i.e. a real website) and did represent a list of vetted professionals it would serve as a go-to resource for advertising agencies and other freelance opportunities. The fact that there is no organization (and hence no respect I'm guessing), has these potential revenue resources using other venues like craigslist and recruiters (uhhg). The list 'could' represent a job bench, if the effort was made and some minor marketing where applied. I mean- look at other professions, they have societies that promote the members. CHIPHPUG doesn't even know who it's members are?
> * Jobs posted to the list should meet a standard or be called out- otherwise the list becomes as relevant as the most base job posted. Does the 'list' work for $15 an hour and hack designers? I hope not. It's not about being elitist- It's standing up for your vocation and not allowing other people to trivialize your skills and what you represent. Other lists are much more mercenary. I have no idea why this one is so inclusive.
> It reminds me of when my college would post $10 p/hr jobs on the job board (I paid you $20K a year and you post that?). That debases everything you represent.
> * A Chicago PHP using company survey would be helpful, considering everyone on the list has either applied or worked at probably every PHP advocating company there is. Helpful info might include:
> hiring status, salary, reporting supervisor, environment, opinion etc.. I could fill a small book with my knowledge. I mean, think about the time that would save people.
> * There isn't a PHP job out there that doesn't require knowledge of PHP and AJAX. So, since everyone
> on the list is, for the most part, beyond proficient at PHP, extending the list to AJAX/Javascript concerns might invigorate it. I know, I personally have way more to offer regarding JS than PHP and all of it is practical or relevant to the group. I doubt the list is composed of PHP 'backenders' and I've never had a job myself that didn't involve both UI and and backend development.
> * Lastly- I know I already stated my reticence to meetings but, a CHIPHPUG poker showdown I could get behind. $100 a pop- winner gets bragging rights for a year. I'll host West loop.
>
> Hope this stirs the nest... I really would like the list to have more purpose cause I know Java and C# and still prefer the crack of PHP. Just wish it was represented better.
>
> Oh- and go Chicago Fire!!!
>
> Rant over,
> Matt
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