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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] good article
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From: Anacreo <an...@gm...> - 2007-10-01 18:14:52
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Well I don't think comparing two things that can achieve the same results is "stupid" for the record. That's like saying you can't compare the advantages of a car vs a bus for getting to a sporting event because they're different. If you want to find out which is the best way to create a certain website then comparing PHP and Ruby on Rails has real world merit. I also believe that weighing people's opinions is good for helping someone to determine what's right for them. Alec On 10/1/07, Nola Stowe <mrn...@gm...> wrote: > > If you want to compare stuff, compare CakePHP to Rails. > > Comparing php to rails is stupid. Of course you can do "anything you > want" > in php, because its not a framework. Rails is a framework which has > predefined decisions and configuration, making it more limiting to a > programmer who doesn't want to follow those conventions. > > > > On 10/1/07, Jason Rexilius <ja...@ho...> wrote: > > > > Actually, there is a small grain of truth to that which the article > > suggests, and that is RoR is a framework which has a proscribed way of > > doing things and has a set view of the world. Breaking out of this is > > not easy. This observation on the Windows.NET vs. Unix/PHP comparison > > was made on this list just a week ago, which is part of why I sent this > > article along. > > > > Its not a great comparison to make as RoR is a framework and PHP is a > > language. It would be more valid to compare RoR with Cake. > > > > What I will say is that Frameworks are generally the next step further > > than the Coldfusion view of the world, in that they make easy or > > moderately difficult things easy, and complicated or hard things > > impossible. Its further along than Coldfusion in that analogy as it > > does make things that are moderately difficult or repetitive easy, which > > is a win for a lot of basic apps. > > > > I think what most people are finding is that, growth beyond rapid > > prototype or migration of something that is already large and > > complicated from a language-based custom solution to a proscribed > > framework is hard. > > > > When you really get going with a complicated or scale-intensive app, you > > will find that maturity of the platform really matters and that a lot of > > frameworks dont have the years under their belt that a language like PHP > > does. > > > > All that being said, it would be insane to say that there aren't a lot > > (and perhaps majority) of use cases where a framework or proscribed > > approach isn't a big win. The large scale, complicated apps are > > actually the edge cases and not the norm. > > > > > > > > > > Nola Stowe wrote: > > >> Ruby on Rails is Windows, PHP is UNIX. Both get the job done one is > > > completely in your control. > > > > > > Thats absurd. > > > > > > The point of the article was that this guy, through learning another > > > language/framework he improved his php. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/30/07, Anacreo <an...@gm...> wrote: > > >> Jason, > > >> Thanks for sharing that article. I'd have to say that after > playing > > >> with > > >> Ruby on Rails and being very excited about it, I dropped it like a > dead > > >> fish. I kind of agree with the author. I don't think PHP is a > > language > > >> that deserves to be dropped yet. I do think it has enough power to > > >> accomplish almost any task you throw at it, and for the good > > programmers > > >> out > > >> there you can get very clean and maintainable code. The comments on > > the > > >> site are really silly and disregard business realities for simple > bias. > > >> I've talked to so many ex-Ruby on Rails users and they've all dropped > > it > > >> for > > >> one reason or another and they are usually reasons I didn't even > think > > of. > > >> > > >> Any new programming language be it Perl, Java, or PHP should smack > > with, > > >> "Geez I couldn't even do this before". I dropped Perl as soon as I > > >> started > > >> with PHP because it was better in so many respects as a > language. And > > >> when > > >> I started coding in Java I thought wow maybe I should have started > out > > as > > >> a > > >> C programmer so I could be a Java programmer. And that's another > > thing, I > > >> never got into C because there weren't real world business problems > > that I > > >> couldn't accomplish in Perl (there still aren't). > > >> > > >> I'm not saying Ruby on Rails isn't a good skill but there were > quite > > a > > >> few > > >> posts in the article who remind me why I'm a UNIX vs a Windows > > person. I > > >> have the skills already to accomplish in UNIX because it's taught me > to > > >> understand how everything works underneath. Ruby on Rails is > Windows, > > PHP > > >> is UNIX. Both get the job done one is completely in your control. > > >> > > >> Alec > > >> > > >> On 9/30/07, Jason Rexilius <ja...@ho...> wrote: > > >>> Mostly common sense, particularly the "PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES ARE > LIKE > > >>> GIRLFRIENDS: THE NEW ONE IS BETTER BECAUSE *YOU* ARE BETTER" > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > http://www.oreillynet.com/ruby/blog/2007/09/7_reasons_i_switched_back_to_p_1.html > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > >>> Defy all challenges. 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