Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] good article

[Anacreo <an...@gm...>]

What's so absurd about that point?  With Windows you can use a few widgets
and crank out some functionality very quickly, but if you need something
those widgets don't provide you're going to have to start writing code at a
much lower level and work your way there, how is this not identical to Ruby
on Rails?  UNIX gives you a very complete basic vocabulary to get everything
done and generally you have to put more lines of code in and do things your
way but it's exactly what you need, how is PHP any different from that?

Alec

On 10/1/07, Nola Stowe <mrn...@gm...> wrote:
>
> >Ruby on Rails is Windows, PHP is UNIX.  Both get the job done one is
> completely in your control.
>
> Thats absurd.
>
> The point of the article was that this guy, through learning another
> language/framework he improved his php.
>
>
>
> On 9/30/07, Anacreo <an...@gm...> wrote:
>
> > Jason,
> >   Thanks for sharing that article.  I'd have to say that after playing
> > with
> > Ruby on Rails and being very excited about it, I dropped it like a dead
> > fish.  I kind of agree with the author.  I don't think PHP is a language
> >
> > that deserves to be dropped yet.  I do think it has enough power to
> > accomplish almost any task you throw at it, and for the good programmers
> > out
> > there you can get very clean and maintainable code.  The comments on the
> >
> > site are really silly and disregard business realities for simple bias.
> > I've talked to so many ex-Ruby on Rails users and they've all dropped it
> > for
> > one reason or another and they are usually reasons I didn't even think
> > of.
> >
> >   Any new programming language be it Perl, Java, or PHP should smack
> > with,
> > "Geez I couldn't even do this before".  I dropped Perl as soon as I
> > started
> > with PHP because it was better in so many respects as a language.  And
> > when
> > I started coding in Java I thought wow maybe I should have started out
> > as a
> > C programmer so I could be a Java programmer.  And that's another thing,
> > I
> > never got into C because there weren't real world business problems that
> > I
> > couldn't accomplish in Perl (there still aren't).
> >
> >   I'm not saying Ruby on Rails isn't a good skill but there were quite a
> > few
> > posts in the article who remind me why I'm a UNIX vs a Windows
> > person.  I
> > have the skills already to accomplish in UNIX because it's taught me to
> > understand how everything works underneath.  Ruby on Rails is Windows,
> > PHP
> > is UNIX.  Both get the job done one is completely in your control.
> >
> > Alec
> >
> > On 9/30/07, Jason Rexilius <ja...@ho...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Mostly common sense, particularly the "PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES ARE LIKE
> > > GIRLFRIENDS: THE NEW ONE IS BETTER BECAUSE *YOU* ARE BETTER"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.oreillynet.com/ruby/blog/2007/09/7_reasons_i_switched_back_to_p_1.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
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