Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] PHP programmer opening (phpWalter)

[Jough D. <jou...@gm...>]

I think Walter's point was that even the high range of this contract is
*well* below the average rate for a local developer.

On 5/23/07, Arlo Leach <ar...@ar...> wrote:
>
> Normally I would say, "If the pay is too low for you, just don't take the
> job," but this really rang true for me:
>
> > It's so sad. And you know what's even sadder? They'll find someone who
> > will take this job. And chances are that person will not be all that
> > talented, so
> > "management" distrusts developers even more, adds more restrictions and
> > requirements on the next guy, usually driving the cost even lower.
> >
> > Can't tell you how many times I've been asked to "clean up" a project
> > because "they" went cheap, and then told my they didn;t have the budget
> to
> > do much because they blew it on the first guy.
>
> I think offering an entry-level wage is fine if an employer is prepared to
> have an entry-level person. If the employer isn't knowledgeable enough to
> offer a wage appropriate to the experience level, or to evaluate the
> experience level in their candidates, that's a problem. This isn't about
> Jennifer at all, just a general comment about what I've seen in my own
> work.
>
> One thing I will often try to do, though, is move the conversation away
> from
> the hourly rate to a total cost estimate. If I can do something in 1/4 the
> time for twice the rate, then I'm still half as expensive as the other
> guy.
> Most clients will respond well to honest conversations like that.
>
> By the way, I hired a plumber to come fix my garbage disposal a while
> back,
> and his hourly rate was over 1.5x mine ... maybe we're all in the wrong
> business! (smile)
>
> Cheers,
> -Arlo
>
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