Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Anyone actually *using* a framework?

[Nola S. <mrn...@gm...>]

I never said I used Perl for the web or liked it for that:) I don't
like it was a web language... and I put my best effort into it. I
prefer it as a processing language... for example, a few months ago I
had a CSV file that I needed to get into a php array.. I used perl to
munge up the data and used a PHP Serialize perl class to give me a php
array :) it was a one time script. .

I was bored with PHP last fall and learned Ruby and Perl. I got Perl
job, converted them to Ruby.... left after 3 months  because they had
problems meeting payroll... and now I'm back to doing PHP. I am pretty
much a language geek and dabble in python a bit and have aspirations
to learn smalltalk and haskell at some point.


On 11/9/06, Hank Marquardt <hma...@gm...> wrote:
> I haven't really looked at Zend's one yet -- just the quick read on it I've
> seen is that it's more of a PEAR extension than an actual framework; but
> I'll reserve actual judgement till I look/play with it.
>
> Don't think I could go back to doing web work with perl though ... you have
> more intestinal fortitude than I there.   I'd have to agree with you that
> RoR's success is due in great measure to Ruby as a languauge, but being
> comprehensive and having great marketing hasn't hurt them either.
>
> Haven't quite worked up the desire to really learn Python yet, but
> eventually I'd like to play with Django and Turbogears in more meaningful
> fashion that the quick look I've taken.
>
> PHP though is the web version of COBOL though ... there's millions of lines
> of the stuff and someone is going to have to maintain it even if an heir
> apparent materializes for new development ... and as I said, the execution
> model simply can't be beat for ease of use/maintenance.
>
>
> On 11/9/06, Nola Stowe <mrn...@gm...> wrote:
> > I also have done some rails and it inspired my "Stupidly Easy MVC
> > Framework" (links here:
> http://devasap.net/programming.html) ... and
> > in recent weeks I have been looking more closely at Zend
> > Framework.Which in itself, is more like PEAR than Rails, but looks
> > like it has a nifty MVC Front Controller that works pretty well I
> > think.
> >
> > I've long held the belief that Rails is great because of Ruby and
> > that Perl (which I also use) and PHP most likely will try to imitate
> > but never come close. With the improved OOP in PHP5, I am starting to
> > think that PHP has a chance.
> >
> >
> > On 11/9/06, Hank Marquardt < hma...@gm...> wrote:
> > > So I perused the list archives and saw you guys kicked around what
> > > frameworks were out there back in April or so.   I'm curious if anyone
> is
> > > actually using one in a project and what you think of it as a production
> > > platform...
> > >
> > > Aside from just provolking a little discussion, I'm interested because
> I've
> > > done a couple Rails projects and think it's pretty darn slick if you
> need a
> > > framework, though both ruby and python suffer from execution model
> > > difficulties (in my mind) that make implementation and adoption nowhere
> near
> > > as slick and easy as mod_php ...
> > >
> > > Most of my recent vintage PHP stuff is all 2/3rds MVC; an index.php
> script
> > > that handles all the setup, auth, sessions, and url parsing and then
> loading
> > > a module and template (controller and view) as dictated by the url
> parsing;
> > > having inherited codebases with similar structure that seems a fairly
> common
> > > way to do things ...
> > >
> > > So then I go and look at symfony and cackephp ... I see vauge
> similarities
> > > to rails structurally, but PHPs "Let's bolt on some OO stuff to a
> procedural
> > > language" design makes them feel icky to me.   And the polish level
> seems
> > > pretty low to me ... on the flip side I saw somewhere that yahoo is
> using
> > > cake somewhere, so it might just be me ;)
> > >
> > > So what are you folks doing/using?
> > >
> > >
> > >
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