Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Anyone actually *using* a framework?

[Hank M. <hma...@gm...>]

I haven't really looked at Zend's one yet -- just the quick read on it I've
seen is that it's more of a PEAR extension than an actual framework; but
I'll reserve actual judgement till I look/play with it.

Don't think I could go back to doing web work with perl though ... you have
more intestinal fortitude than I there.   I'd have to agree with you that
RoR's success is due in great measure to Ruby as a languauge, but being
comprehensive and having great marketing hasn't hurt them either.

Haven't quite worked up the desire to really learn Python yet, but
eventually I'd like to play with Django and Turbogears in more meaningful
fashion that the quick look I've taken.

PHP though is the web version of COBOL though ... there's millions of lines
of the stuff and someone is going to have to maintain it even if an heir
apparent materializes for new development ... and as I said, the execution
model simply can't be beat for ease of use/maintenance.

On 11/9/06, Nola Stowe <mrn...@gm...> wrote:
>
> I also have done some rails and it inspired my "Stupidly Easy MVC
> Framework" (links here: http://devasap.net/programming.html) ... and
> in recent weeks I have been looking more closely at Zend
> Framework.Which in itself, is more like PEAR than Rails, but looks
> like it has a nifty MVC Front Controller that works pretty well I
> think.
>
> I've long held the belief that Rails is great because of Ruby and
> that Perl (which I also use) and PHP most likely will try to imitate
> but never come close. With the improved OOP in PHP5, I am starting to
> think that PHP has a chance.
>
>
> On 11/9/06, Hank Marquardt <hma...@gm...> wrote:
> > So I perused the list archives and saw you guys kicked around what
> > frameworks were out there back in April or so.   I'm curious if anyone
> is
> > actually using one in a project and what you think of it as a production
> > platform...
> >
> > Aside from just provolking a little discussion, I'm interested because
> I've
> > done a couple Rails projects and think it's pretty darn slick if you
> need a
> > framework, though both ruby and python suffer from execution model
> > difficulties (in my mind) that make implementation and adoption nowhere
> near
> > as slick and easy as mod_php ...
> >
> > Most of my recent vintage PHP stuff is all 2/3rds MVC; an index.phpscript
> > that handles all the setup, auth, sessions, and url parsing and then
> loading
> > a module and template (controller and view) as dictated by the url
> parsing;
> > having inherited codebases with similar structure that seems a fairly
> common
> > way to do things ...
> >
> > So then I go and look at symfony and cackephp ... I see vauge
> similarities
> > to rails structurally, but PHPs "Let's bolt on some OO stuff to a
> procedural
> > language" design makes them feel icky to me.   And the polish level
> seems
> > pretty low to me ... on the flip side I saw somewhere that yahoo is
> using
> > cake somewhere, so it might just be me ;)
> >
> > So what are you folks doing/using?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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