chiphpug-discuss

[chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?

[Trevor O. <tr...@gm...>]

Last week I posted about a job opening. Since then, I've been bombarded with
recruiters who saw the job posting and decided to ignore my "NO RECRUITERS"
note. I generally avoid posting my PHP questions to this group because the
noise to signal ratio is just too high.

Would people be interested in a "invite-only" developer's private group that
we discuss PHP in a way that won't get us spammed, and when we do need to
hire someone, we can keep this group around for the recruiters to poach off
of? The new group could be 100% recruiting and job-finding free and focus on
the PHP language itself and the answering of eachother's questions.

If lists.sourceforge.net doesn't provide the security that I'm looking for,
I know google groups does.

I don't want to take control or anything like that, I've just given myself
the choice of leaving this group or trying to turn it into something
useful....

-Trevor

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?

[Adam L. <apl...@gm...>]

I'd be in for such a discussion group. Google Groups would probably
meet those needs.

On 4/12/10, Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...> wrote:
> Last week I posted about a job opening. Since then, I've been bombarded with
> recruiters who saw the job posting and decided to ignore my "NO RECRUITERS"
> note. I generally avoid posting my PHP questions to this group because the
> noise to signal ratio is just too high.
>
> Would people be interested in a "invite-only" developer's private group that
> we discuss PHP in a way that won't get us spammed, and when we do need to
> hire someone, we can keep this group around for the recruiters to poach off
> of? The new group could be 100% recruiting and job-finding free and focus on
> the PHP language itself and the answering of eachother's questions.
>
> If lists.sourceforge.net doesn't provide the security that I'm looking for,
> I know google groups does.
>
> I don't want to take control or anything like that, I've just given myself
> the choice of leaving this group or trying to turn it into something
> useful....
>
> -Trevor
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?

[Steve E. <set...@at...>]

I have experience with both Google and Yahoo groups. My opinion is that
Yahoo's "tools" are more flexible and easier for list owners/managers, and,
for the members of the list, Yahoo! Lists are easier to join. Google's
"group" system has always seemed sort of awkward and behind in development
when compared to Yahoo's system.

But moderating a group, especially a busy one, can take a lot of time...

My suggestion is to poke around the Yahoo and Google Groups areas at
http://groups.yahoo.com and http://groups.google.com. It wont be easy to bet
the "feel" the services without setting up a group, but if you look at
Google's area first, then Yahoo, you may know all you need. 

Not pushing Yahoo! here - the company has some odd policies - when the
policies get changed, there's frequently no warning and some list members
and moderators find this upsetting. Odd things happen. But for ease of use,
I think that Yahoo! Is a few steps ahead.


Steve E.

     

-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Larsen [mailto:apl...@gm...] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 10:50 PM
To: Chicago PHP User Group
Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?


I'd be in for such a discussion group. Google Groups would probably meet
those needs.

On 4/12/10, Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...> wrote:
> Last week I posted about a job opening. Since then, I've been
> bombarded with recruiters who saw the job posting and decided to 
> ignore my "NO RECRUITERS" note. I generally avoid posting my PHP 
> questions to this group because the noise to signal ratio is just too 
> high.
>
> Would people be interested in a "invite-only" developer's private
> group that we discuss PHP in a way that won't get us spammed, and when 
> we do need to hire someone, we can keep this group around for the 
> recruiters to poach off of? The new group could be 100% recruiting and 
> job-finding free and focus on the PHP language itself and the 
> answering of eachother's questions.
>
> If lists.sourceforge.net doesn't provide the security that I'm looking
> for, I know google groups does.
>
> I don't want to take control or anything like that, I've just given
> myself the choice of leaving this group or trying to turn it into 
> something useful....
>
> -Trevor
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------
> Download Intel&#174; Parallel Studio Eval
> Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs 
> proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See 
> why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. 
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev 
> _______________________________________________
> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list chi...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>


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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?

[matt d. <mm_...@ya...>]

The list has survived worse.



________________________________
From: Steve E. <set...@at...>
To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...>
Sent: Wed, April 14, 2010 1:07:18 PM
Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?

I have experience with both Google and Yahoo groups. My opinion is that
Yahoo's "tools" are more flexible and easier for list owners/managers, and,
for the members of the list, Yahoo! Lists are easier to join. Google's
"group" system has always seemed sort of awkward and behind in development
when compared to Yahoo's system.

But moderating a group, especially a busy one, can take a lot of time...

My suggestion is to poke around the Yahoo and Google Groups areas at
http://groups.yahoo.com and http://groups.google.com. It wont be easy to bet
the "feel" the services without setting up a group, but if you look at
Google's area first, then Yahoo, you may know all you need. 

Not pushing Yahoo! here - the company has some odd policies - when the
policies get changed, there's frequently no warning and some list members
and moderators find this upsetting. Odd things happen. But for ease of use,
I think that Yahoo! Is a few steps ahead.


Steve E.

    

-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Larsen [mailto:apl...@gm...] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 10:50 PM
To: Chicago PHP User Group
Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?


I'd be in for such a discussion group. Google Groups would probably meet
those needs.

On 4/12/10, Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...> wrote:
> Last week I posted about a job opening. Since then, I've been
> bombarded with recruiters who saw the job posting and decided to 
> ignore my "NO RECRUITERS" note. I generally avoid posting my PHP 
> questions to this group because the noise to signal ratio is just too 
> high.
>
> Would people be interested in a "invite-only" developer's private
> group that we discuss PHP in a way that won't get us spammed, and when 
> we do need to hire someone, we can keep this group around for the 
> recruiters to poach off of? The new group could be 100% recruiting and 
> job-finding free and focus on the PHP language itself and the 
> answering of eachother's questions.
>
> If lists.sourceforge.net doesn't provide the security that I'm looking
> for, I know google groups does.
>
> I don't want to take control or anything like that, I've just given
> myself the choice of leaving this group or trying to turn it into 
> something useful....
>
> -Trevor
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------
> Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval
> Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs 
> proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See 
> why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. 
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev 
> _______________________________________________
> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list chi...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>


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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?

[Neil Y. <ny...@as...>]

I'm not sure what you are responding to with your comment, but by 
surviving, I guess you mean lingering on?  I mean ~10 posts a month with 
little to no discussion about anything and mostly just the occasional 
job posting is not my idea of a raging success for a mailing list.

matt donohue wrote:
> The list has survived worse.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Steve E. <set...@at...>
> To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...>
> Sent: Wed, April 14, 2010 1:07:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?
>
> I have experience with both Google and Yahoo groups. My opinion is that
> Yahoo's "tools" are more flexible and easier for list owners/managers, and,
> for the members of the list, Yahoo! Lists are easier to join. Google's
> "group" system has always seemed sort of awkward and behind in development
> when compared to Yahoo's system.
>
> But moderating a group, especially a busy one, can take a lot of time...
>
> My suggestion is to poke around the Yahoo and Google Groups areas at
> http://groups.yahoo.com and http://groups.google.com. It wont be easy to bet
> the "feel" the services without setting up a group, but if you look at
> Google's area first, then Yahoo, you may know all you need. 
>
> Not pushing Yahoo! here - the company has some odd policies - when the
> policies get changed, there's frequently no warning and some list members
> and moderators find this upsetting. Odd things happen. But for ease of use,
> I think that Yahoo! Is a few steps ahead.
>
>
> Steve E.
>
>     
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Larsen [mailto:apl...@gm...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 10:50 PM
> To: Chicago PHP User Group
> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?
>
>
> I'd be in for such a discussion group. Google Groups would probably meet
> those needs.
>
> On 4/12/10, Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...> wrote:
>   
>> Last week I posted about a job opening. Since then, I've been
>> bombarded with recruiters who saw the job posting and decided to 
>> ignore my "NO RECRUITERS" note. I generally avoid posting my PHP 
>> questions to this group because the noise to signal ratio is just too 
>> high.
>>
>> Would people be interested in a "invite-only" developer's private
>> group that we discuss PHP in a way that won't get us spammed, and when 
>> we do need to hire someone, we can keep this group around for the 
>> recruiters to poach off of? The new group could be 100% recruiting and 
>> job-finding free and focus on the PHP language itself and the 
>> answering of eachother's questions.
>>
>> If lists.sourceforge.net doesn't provide the security that I'm looking
>> for, I know google groups does.
>>
>> I don't want to take control or anything like that, I've just given
>> myself the choice of leaving this group or trying to turn it into 
>> something useful....
>>
>> -Trevor
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --------
>> Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval
>> Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs 
>> proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See 
>> why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. 
>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev 
>> _______________________________________________
>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list chi...@li...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>>
>>     
>
>
>   

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?

[matt d. <mm_...@ya...>]

I'm sure starting a whole new group will suddenly recharge everyone's desire to talk about a scripting language.



________________________________
From: Neil Young <ny...@as...>
To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...>
Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 2:01:26 PM
Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?

I'm not sure what you are responding to with your comment, but by 
surviving, I guess you mean lingering on?  I mean ~10 posts a month with 
little to no discussion about anything and mostly just the occasional 
job posting is not my idea of a raging success for a mailing list.

matt donohue wrote:
> The list has survived worse.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Steve E. <set...@at...>
> To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...>
> Sent: Wed, April 14, 2010 1:07:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?
>
> I have experience with both Google and Yahoo groups. My opinion is that
> Yahoo's "tools" are more flexible and easier for list owners/managers, and,
> for the members of the list, Yahoo! Lists are easier to join. Google's
> "group" system has always seemed sort of awkward and behind in development
> when compared to Yahoo's system.
>
> But moderating a group, especially a busy one, can take a lot of time...
>
> My suggestion is to poke around the Yahoo and Google Groups areas at
> http://groups.yahoo.com and http://groups.google.com. It wont be easy to bet
> the "feel" the services without setting up a group, but if you look at
> Google's area first, then Yahoo, you may know all you need. 
>
> Not pushing Yahoo! here - the company has some odd policies - when the
> policies get changed, there's frequently no warning and some list members
> and moderators find this upsetting. Odd things happen. But for ease of use,
> I think that Yahoo! Is a few steps ahead.
>
>
> Steve E.
>
>    
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Larsen [mailto:apl...@gm...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 10:50 PM
> To: Chicago PHP User Group
> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?
>
>
> I'd be in for such a discussion group. Google Groups would probably meet
> those needs.
>
> On 4/12/10, Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...> wrote:
>  
>> Last week I posted about a job opening. Since then, I've been
>> bombarded with recruiters who saw the job posting and decided to 
>> ignore my "NO RECRUITERS" note. I generally avoid posting my PHP 
>> questions to this group because the noise to signal ratio is just too 
>> high.
>>
>> Would people be interested in a "invite-only" developer's private
>> group that we discuss PHP in a way that won't get us spammed, and when 
>> we do need to hire someone, we can keep this group around for the 
>> recruiters to poach off of? The new group could be 100% recruiting and 
>> job-finding free and focus on the PHP language itself and the 
>> answering of eachother's questions.
>>
>> If lists.sourceforge.net doesn't provide the security that I'm looking
>> for, I know google groups does.
>>
>> I don't want to take control or anything like that, I've just given
>> myself the choice of leaving this group or trying to turn it into 
>> something useful....
>>
>> -Trevor
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --------
>> Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval
>> Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs 
>> proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See 
>> why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. 
>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev 
>> _______________________________________________
>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list chi...@li...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>>
>>    
>
>
>  


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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?

[Richard L. <ce...@l-...>]

We abandoned Yahoo! groups a long time ago;  I'm not going back to
that again.

I do apologize for not being more active.

Real Life changes do that to you.

Do feel free to start whatever mailing list you like, and invite
anybody you want.

I'm not interested in leaving this one, personally, as I've gotten a
lot out of it.

On Thu, April 15, 2010 2:45 pm, matt donohue wrote:
> I'm sure starting a whole new group will suddenly recharge everyone's
> desire to talk about a scripting language.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Neil Young <ny...@as...>
> To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...>
> Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 2:01:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?
>
> I'm not sure what you are responding to with your comment, but by
> surviving, I guess you mean lingering on?  I mean ~10 posts a month
> with
> little to no discussion about anything and mostly just the occasional
> job posting is not my idea of a raging success for a mailing list.
>
> matt donohue wrote:
>> The list has survived worse.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Steve E. <set...@at...>
>> To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...>
>> Sent: Wed, April 14, 2010 1:07:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?
>>
>> I have experience with both Google and Yahoo groups. My opinion is
>> that
>> Yahoo's "tools" are more flexible and easier for list
>> owners/managers, and,
>> for the members of the list, Yahoo! Lists are easier to join.
>> Google's
>> "group" system has always seemed sort of awkward and behind in
>> development
>> when compared to Yahoo's system.
>>
>> But moderating a group, especially a busy one, can take a lot of
>> time...
>>
>> My suggestion is to poke around the Yahoo and Google Groups areas at
>> http://groups.yahoo.com and http://groups.google.com. It wont be
>> easy to bet
>> the "feel" the services without setting up a group, but if you look
>> at
>> Google's area first, then Yahoo, you may know all you need.
>>
>> Not pushing Yahoo! here - the company has some odd policies - when
>> the
>> policies get changed, there's frequently no warning and some list
>> members
>> and moderators find this upsetting. Odd things happen. But for ease
>> of use,
>> I think that Yahoo! Is a few steps ahead.
>>
>>
>> Steve E.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Adam Larsen [mailto:apl...@gm...]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 10:50 PM
>> To: Chicago PHP User Group
>> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?
>>
>>
>> I'd be in for such a discussion group. Google Groups would probably
>> meet
>> those needs.
>>
>> On 4/12/10, Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>>> Last week I posted about a job opening. Since then, I've been
>>> bombarded with recruiters who saw the job posting and decided to
>>> ignore my "NO RECRUITERS" note. I generally avoid posting my PHP
>>> questions to this group because the noise to signal ratio is just
>>> too
>>> high.
>>>
>>> Would people be interested in a "invite-only" developer's private
>>> group that we discuss PHP in a way that won't get us spammed, and
>>> when
>>> we do need to hire someone, we can keep this group around for the
>>> recruiters to poach off of? The new group could be 100% recruiting
>>> and
>>> job-finding free and focus on the PHP language itself and the
>>> answering of eachother's questions.
>>>
>>> If lists.sourceforge.net doesn't provide the security that I'm
>>> looking
>>> for, I know google groups does.
>>>
>>> I don't want to take control or anything like that, I've just given
>>> myself the choice of leaving this group or trying to turn it into
>>> something useful....
>>>
>>> -Trevor
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> --------
>>> Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval
>>> Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs
>>> proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance.
>>> See
>>> why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta.
>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
>>> chi...@li...
>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval
> Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs
> proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance.
> See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta.
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev
> _______________________________________________
> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
> chi...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Download Intel&#174; Parallel Studio Eval
> Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs
> proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance.
> See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta.
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev
> _______________________________________________
> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
> chi...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>


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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?

[jeff d. <der...@gm...>]

I would be interested in a private list to reduce spam.  However, that
doesn't mean I will contribute any more or less.

freenode on IRC is an excellent resource the php* channels are very
active, and some are even populated with the PHP superstars from
around the world.

Since this is the Chicago PHP User Group, we could concentrate on
physical meetings on a regular basis.  Venue seems to be always an
issue.  I recently attending a 10 person business meeting at the
spacious Hotel Allegro on Randolph space.  Their 2nd floor has enough
couch seating for 20 - 30 people.  Its a free space with wifi.

A great promo tool for getting groups of people together in my opinion
is meetup.com.  Perhaps the new list or group should be formed on
Meetup.com?  This way we can at least promote the group and its
activities or inactivities as the case may be.  On Meetup usually
there is a one main person, but that person can delegate
responsibilities to sub-Organizers.  Also there is an interface for
posting ideas for a future meetup so any member can initiate the next
get together.

I don't feel this group has or should have a sole leader.  In my
opinion, everyone is the leader or can be for a particular get
together.  Let's say you solved a PHP problem in a clever way and you
either want feedback or critiscm on your idea.  Sure posting a message
to this list is one way, but its a bit too one way and shallow.  A
face to face, would create a more active discussion around your clever
idea.

Anyway I could ramble on forever.

my 2 cents.

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:45 PM, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote:
> I'm sure starting a whole new group will suddenly recharge everyone's desire to talk about a scripting language.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Neil Young <ny...@as...>
> To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...>
> Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 2:01:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?
>
> I'm not sure what you are responding to with your comment, but by
> surviving, I guess you mean lingering on?  I mean ~10 posts a month with
> little to no discussion about anything and mostly just the occasional
> job posting is not my idea of a raging success for a mailing list.
>
> matt donohue wrote:
>> The list has survived worse.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Steve E. <set...@at...>
>> To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...>
>> Sent: Wed, April 14, 2010 1:07:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?
>>
>> I have experience with both Google and Yahoo groups. My opinion is that
>> Yahoo's "tools" are more flexible and easier for list owners/managers, and,
>> for the members of the list, Yahoo! Lists are easier to join. Google's
>> "group" system has always seemed sort of awkward and behind in development
>> when compared to Yahoo's system.
>>
>> But moderating a group, especially a busy one, can take a lot of time...
>>
>> My suggestion is to poke around the Yahoo and Google Groups areas at
>> http://groups.yahoo.com and http://groups.google.com. It wont be easy to bet
>> the "feel" the services without setting up a group, but if you look at
>> Google's area first, then Yahoo, you may know all you need.
>>
>> Not pushing Yahoo! here - the company has some odd policies - when the
>> policies get changed, there's frequently no warning and some list members
>> and moderators find this upsetting. Odd things happen. But for ease of use,
>> I think that Yahoo! Is a few steps ahead.
>>
>>
>> Steve E.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Adam Larsen [mailto:apl...@gm...]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 10:50 PM
>> To: Chicago PHP User Group
>> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?
>>
>>
>> I'd be in for such a discussion group. Google Groups would probably meet
>> those needs.
>>
>> On 4/12/10, Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>>> Last week I posted about a job opening. Since then, I've been
>>> bombarded with recruiters who saw the job posting and decided to
>>> ignore my "NO RECRUITERS" note. I generally avoid posting my PHP
>>> questions to this group because the noise to signal ratio is just too
>>> high.
>>>
>>> Would people be interested in a "invite-only" developer's private
>>> group that we discuss PHP in a way that won't get us spammed, and when
>>> we do need to hire someone, we can keep this group around for the
>>> recruiters to poach off of? The new group could be 100% recruiting and
>>> job-finding free and focus on the PHP language itself and the
>>> answering of eachother's questions.
>>>
>>> If lists.sourceforge.net doesn't provide the security that I'm looking
>>> for, I know google groups does.
>>>
>>> I don't want to take control or anything like that, I've just given
>>> myself the choice of leaving this group or trying to turn it into
>>> something useful....
>>>
>>> -Trevor
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> --------
>>> Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval
>>> Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs
>>> proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?

[Richard L. <ce...@l-...>]

Since we've not had a physical meeting in some time, I was considering
going the other way...

Would anybody like to "meet" in IRC in early June, perhaps?

Gives us plenty of time to set up something...

PS
I have the pleasure of weeding out a ton of fake bounce messages which
are just spam trying to fake their way to your Inbox, and I'd just as
soon not fragment/privatize the list...

Your spam filters are pretty good, and, well, headhunters do what they
do, and that's cold call employers even when they said not to...

That's a social problem, not something we can solve with technology.

On Sat, May 1, 2010 7:33 am, jeff derbyshire wrote:
> I would be interested in a private list to reduce spam.  However, that
> doesn't mean I will contribute any more or less.
>
> freenode on IRC is an excellent resource the php* channels are very
> active, and some are even populated with the PHP superstars from
> around the world.
>
> Since this is the Chicago PHP User Group, we could concentrate on
> physical meetings on a regular basis.  Venue seems to be always an
> issue.  I recently attending a 10 person business meeting at the
> spacious Hotel Allegro on Randolph space.  Their 2nd floor has enough
> couch seating for 20 - 30 people.  Its a free space with wifi.
>
> A great promo tool for getting groups of people together in my opinion
> is meetup.com.  Perhaps the new list or group should be formed on
> Meetup.com?  This way we can at least promote the group and its
> activities or inactivities as the case may be.  On Meetup usually
> there is a one main person, but that person can delegate
> responsibilities to sub-Organizers.  Also there is an interface for
> posting ideas for a future meetup so any member can initiate the next
> get together.
>
> I don't feel this group has or should have a sole leader.  In my
> opinion, everyone is the leader or can be for a particular get
> together.  Let's say you solved a PHP problem in a clever way and you
> either want feedback or critiscm on your idea.  Sure posting a message
> to this list is one way, but its a bit too one way and shallow.  A
> face to face, would create a more active discussion around your clever
> idea.
>
> Anyway I could ramble on forever.
>
> my 2 cents.
>
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:45 PM, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...>
> wrote:
>> I'm sure starting a whole new group will suddenly recharge
>> everyone's desire to talk about a scripting language.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Neil Young <ny...@as...>
>> To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...>
>> Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 2:01:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?
>>
>> I'm not sure what you are responding to with your comment, but by
>> surviving, I guess you mean lingering on?  I mean ~10 posts a month
>> with
>> little to no discussion about anything and mostly just the
>> occasional
>> job posting is not my idea of a raging success for a mailing list.
>>
>> matt donohue wrote:
>>> The list has survived worse.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Steve E. <set...@at...>
>>> To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...>
>>> Sent: Wed, April 14, 2010 1:07:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?
>>>
>>> I have experience with both Google and Yahoo groups. My opinion is
>>> that
>>> Yahoo's "tools" are more flexible and easier for list
>>> owners/managers, and,
>>> for the members of the list, Yahoo! Lists are easier to join.
>>> Google's
>>> "group" system has always seemed sort of awkward and behind in
>>> development
>>> when compared to Yahoo's system.
>>>
>>> But moderating a group, especially a busy one, can take a lot of
>>> time...
>>>
>>> My suggestion is to poke around the Yahoo and Google Groups areas
>>> at
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com and http://groups.google.com. It wont be
>>> easy to bet
>>> the "feel" the services without setting up a group, but if you look
>>> at
>>> Google's area first, then Yahoo, you may know all you need.
>>>
>>> Not pushing Yahoo! here - the company has some odd policies - when
>>> the
>>> policies get changed, there's frequently no warning and some list
>>> members
>>> and moderators find this upsetting. Odd things happen. But for ease
>>> of use,
>>> I think that Yahoo! Is a few steps ahead.
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve E.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Adam Larsen [mailto:apl...@gm...]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 10:50 PM
>>> To: Chicago PHP User Group
>>> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd be in for such a discussion group. Google Groups would probably
>>> meet
>>> those needs.
>>>
>>> On 4/12/10, Trevor Oldak <tr...@gm...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Last week I posted about a job opening. Since then, I've been
>>>> bombarded with recruiters who saw the job posting and decided to
>>>> ignore my "NO RECRUITERS" note. I generally avoid posting my PHP
>>>> questions to this group because the noise to signal ratio is just
>>>> too
>>>> high.
>>>>
>>>> Would people be interested in a "invite-only" developer's private
>>>> group that we discuss PHP in a way that won't get us spammed, and
>>>> when
>>>> we do need to hire someone, we can keep this group around for the
>>>> recruiters to poach off of? The new group could be 100% recruiting
>>>> and
>>>> job-finding free and focus on the PHP language itself and the
>>>> answering of eachother's questions.
>>>>
>>>> If lists.sourceforge.net doesn't provide the security that I'm
>>>> looking
>>>> for, I know google groups does.
>>>>
>>>> I don't want to take control or anything like that, I've just
>>>> given
>>>> myself the choice of leaving this group or trying to turn it into
>>>> something useful....
>>>>
>>>> -Trevor
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> --------
>>>> Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval
>>>> Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find
>>>> bugs
>>>> proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance.
>>>> See
>>>> why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta.
>>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> chi...@li...
>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>> Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs
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>> See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta.
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>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?

[Walter <php...@to...>]

I don't get all this talk of changes groups, moving lists or forming a
second list.

What started all this was a statement of someone posting a job and
getting pounded with email from headhunters.

Well, I have a simple solution: When someone posts a job, and asks
headhunter NOT to contact them, and the headhunters do it anyway, that
person forwards the emails of these headhunters to whom ever controls
this list and that headhunters gets dropped from the list.

Very simple, very effective. No need for a second list.

The last thing I'd like to see is this list get fragmented, the
community is fragmented enough as it is.

Just my 2 cents.

Walter

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?

[matt d. <mm_...@ya...>]

Also helps if you make a distinction between spam from this list specifically and from the exact same posting you may have made on craigslist.





________________________________
From: Walter <php...@to...>
To: Chicago PHP User Group <chi...@li...>
Sent: Sat, May 1, 2010 1:30:26 PM
Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Public and private groups?

I don't get all this talk of changes groups, moving lists or forming a
second list.

What started all this was a statement of someone posting a job and
getting pounded with email from headhunters.

Well, I have a simple solution: When someone posts a job, and asks
headhunter NOT to contact them, and the headhunters do it anyway, that
person forwards the emails of these headhunters to whom ever controls
this list and that headhunters gets dropped from the list.

Very simple, very effective. No need for a second list.

The last thing I'd like to see is this list get fragmented, the
community is fragmented enough as it is.

Just my 2 cents.

Walter

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