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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] ChiPHPug Meeting 3rd Wednesday

[Roderick T. <th...@mi...>]

Hi all,

I won't be attending tonight's meeting, after all.  I've caught a cold and =
so I'm not feeling up to 6-8 hours of driving today.  I apologize to =
anyone who was prepared to accomodate beginners.  The idea of discussing =
arrays was a good idea to me.  I hope I can still meet with some of you at =
the 1st Saturday social and pick up some pointers at that time.

Rod   =20


>>> <ce...@l-...> 4/17/2006 3:01 PM >>>

ChiPHPug (Chicago PHP Users Group) meeting is coming up.



If I wrote the PHP code correctly, it's on 04/19/2006



For sure, it's on the THIRD WEDNESDAY of each month.



Time: 6 pm

Location: 223 West Erie, Suite 3NW

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RE: [chiPHPug-discuss] ChiPHPug Meeting 3rd Wednesday

[Stowe, N. <NS...@Th...>]

We could always do a "virtual" meeting in our IRC room sometime... 

Maybe we can do it that month that Rich is gone.. Since nobody has
volunteered to be in charge..

We could have one person do a "talk" .. Maybe show some examples on a
website or a paste site .. Have a question time.. Then chat. But we'll have
to provide our own pizza :) 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah Gray [mailto:sa...@fa...] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 12:19 PM
To: chi...@li...
Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] ChiPHPug Meeting 3rd Wednesday

6-8 HOURS of driving?? Where are you coming from that's so far away -- and
are you sure a php group meeting in another state might not be closer to
home? Not that you're not welcome, but that's a helluva drive!

Roderick Thomas wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I won't be attending tonight's meeting, after all.  I've caught a cold and
so I'm not feeling up to 6-8 hours of driving today.  I apologize to anyone
who was prepared to accomodate beginners.  The idea of discussing arrays was
a good idea to me.  I hope I can still meet with some of you at the 1st
Saturday social and pick up some pointers at that time.
>
>Rod    
>
>
>  
>
>>>><ce...@l-...> 4/17/2006 3:01 PM >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>
>ChiPHPug (Chicago PHP Users Group) meeting is coming up.
>
>
>
>If I wrote the PHP code correctly, it's on 04/19/2006
>
>
>
>For sure, it's on the THIRD WEDNESDAY of each month.
>
>
>
>Time: 6 pm
>
>Location: 223 West Erie, Suite 3NW
>
>http://typea.net
>
>
>
>Directions:
>
>Take 90/94 to Ohio exit ramp.
>Turn left at base of ramp onto Orleans, or Franklin a block later.
>Turn right on Erie.
>Park.
>
>
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] ChiPHPug Meeting 3rd Wednesday

[Larry G. <la...@ga...>]

And this was of course supposed to go to the list originally, but as this list is stupidly configured... *sigh*

So prepare to see Larry show off tomorrow night. :-)  Isn't next month PHPtek, though?  Are we actually going to try and compete with that? :-)

On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:44:53 -0500 (CDT), "Richard Lynch" <ce...@l-...> wrote:
> Sure!
> 
> And next month, I think we might have Jason Rexilius speaking about
> Security Analytics, if he's in town...
> 
> Anybody got something for JUNE???
> 
> On Mon, April 16, 2007 4:41 pm, Larry Garfield wrote:
>>
>> Unless I've been preempted by the Cake guy again (the other Larry), I
>> believe this month's presentation is "Larry showing off cool PHP 5
>> stuff".  Am I still on? :-)
>>
>> --Larry Garfield
>>
>> On 16 Apr 2007 19:01:00 -0000, ce...@l-... wrote:
>>>
>>> ChiPHPug (Chicago PHP Users Group) meeting is coming up.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If I wrote the PHP code correctly, it's on 04/18/2007
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For sure, it's on the THIRD WEDNESDAY of each month.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Time: 6 pm
>>>
>>> Location: 150 North Michigan, Suite 2800
>>>
>>> http://info.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Directions:
>>>
>>> Drive: Lake Shore Drive to Randolph. Grant Park North Garage. Tunnel
>>> to
>>> building/sidewalk.
>>> CTA: Red/Blue line to Washington. Pedway East to building. (Blue
>>> Line
>>> Pedway closed for 2006)
>>>      Loop trains to Randolph/Wabash.  Walk 2 blocks East.
>>> Metra: South Shore Line to Randolph. Follow blue wavy lines down
>>> ramp.
>>> Tunnel Right to building.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> 
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] ChiPHPug Meeting 3rd Wednesday

[Richard L. <ce...@l-...>]

Yeah, duh.

Sorry.

My brain isn't working well today.

JASON in JUNE then, eh?

On Tue, April 17, 2007 4:07 pm, Larry Garfield wrote:
>
> And this was of course supposed to go to the list originally, but as
> this list is stupidly configured... *sigh*
>
> So prepare to see Larry show off tomorrow night. :-)  Isn't next month
> PHPtek, though?  Are we actually going to try and compete with that?
> :-)
>
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:44:53 -0500 (CDT), "Richard Lynch"
> <ce...@l-...> wrote:
>> Sure!
>>
>> And next month, I think we might have Jason Rexilius speaking about
>> Security Analytics, if he's in town...
>>
>> Anybody got something for JUNE???
>>
>> On Mon, April 16, 2007 4:41 pm, Larry Garfield wrote:
>>>
>>> Unless I've been preempted by the Cake guy again (the other Larry),
>>> I
>>> believe this month's presentation is "Larry showing off cool PHP 5
>>> stuff".  Am I still on? :-)
>>>
>>> --Larry Garfield
>>>
>>> On 16 Apr 2007 19:01:00 -0000, ce...@l-... wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ChiPHPug (Chicago PHP Users Group) meeting is coming up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If I wrote the PHP code correctly, it's on 04/18/2007
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For sure, it's on the THIRD WEDNESDAY of each month.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time: 6 pm
>>>>
>>>> Location: 150 North Michigan, Suite 2800
>>>>
>>>> http://info.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Directions:
>>>>
>>>> Drive: Lake Shore Drive to Randolph. Grant Park North Garage.
>>>> Tunnel
>>>> to
>>>> building/sidewalk.
>>>> CTA: Red/Blue line to Washington. Pedway East to building. (Blue
>>>> Line
>>>> Pedway closed for 2006)
>>>>      Loop trains to Randolph/Wabash.  Walk 2 blocks East.
>>>> Metra: South Shore Line to Randolph. Follow blue wavy lines down
>>>> ramp.
>>>> Tunnel Right to building.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express
>>>> Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take
>>>> control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now.
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>>>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Some people have a "gift" link here.
>> Know what I want?
>> I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist.
>> http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch
>> Yeah, I get a buck. So?
>
>


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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] ChiPHPug Meeting 3rd Wednesday

[Jough D. <jou...@gm...>]

I see what Larry meant about the configuration of the list.

Meant to send this to all...

On 4/17/07, Jough Dempsey <jou...@gm...> wrote:
>
> I don't know how many people in the group are going to PHP|tek (I am) but
> it seems like it would make sense to push the ChiPUG meeting back a week -
> maybe we could discuss the conference for those who can't attend?
>
> Is anyone else planning on taking the Zend certification exam while at the
> conference?  I never bothered before but since the exam fee comes with the
> conference fee, why not?
>
> -- Jough
>
> On 4/17/07, Richard Lynch <ce...@l-...> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, duh.
> >
> > Sorry.
> >
> > My brain isn't working well today.
> >
> > JASON in JUNE then, eh?
> >
> > On Tue, April 17, 2007 4:07 pm, Larry Garfield wrote:
> > >
> > > And this was of course supposed to go to the list originally, but as
> > > this list is stupidly configured... *sigh*
> > >
> > > So prepare to see Larry show off tomorrow night. :-)  Isn't next month
> > > PHPtek, though?  Are we actually going to try and compete with that?
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:44:53 -0500 (CDT), "Richard Lynch"
> > > <ce...@l-...> wrote:
> > >> Sure!
> > >>
> > >> And next month, I think we might have Jason Rexilius speaking about
> > >> Security Analytics, if he's in town...
> > >>
> > >> Anybody got something for JUNE???
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, April 16, 2007 4:41 pm, Larry Garfield wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Unless I've been preempted by the Cake guy again (the other Larry),
> > >>> I
> > >>> believe this month's presentation is "Larry showing off cool PHP 5
> > >>> stuff".  Am I still on? :-)
> > >>>
> > >>> --Larry Garfield
> > >>>
> > >>> On 16 Apr 2007 19:01:00 -0000, ce...@l-... wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ChiPHPug (Chicago PHP Users Group) meeting is coming up.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> If I wrote the PHP code correctly, it's on 04/18/2007
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> For sure, it's on the THIRD WEDNESDAY of each month.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Time: 6 pm
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Location: 150 North Michigan, Suite 2800
> > >>>>
> > >>>> http://info.com
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Directions:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Drive: Lake Shore Drive to Randolph. Grant Park North Garage.
> > >>>> Tunnel
> > >>>> to
> > >>>> building/sidewalk.
> > >>>> CTA: Red/Blue line to Washington. Pedway East to building. (Blue
> > >>>> Line
> > >>>> Pedway closed for 2006)
> > >>>>      Loop trains to Randolph/Wabash.  Walk 2 blocks East.
> > >>>> Metra: South Shore Line to Randolph. Follow blue wavy lines down
> > >>>> ramp.
> > >>>> Tunnel Right to building.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
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> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Some people have a "gift" link here.
> > >> Know what I want?
> > >> I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist.
> > >> http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch
> > >> Yeah, I get a buck. So?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Some people have a "gift" link here.
> > Know what I want?
> > I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist.
> > http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch
> > Yeah, I get a buck. So?
> >
> >
> >
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>
>
>
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] ChiPHPug Meeting 3rd Wednesday

[Richard L. <ce...@l-...>]

I'm still stuck in the reply-to-all-is-evil camp, so the list settings
are unlikely to change soon, even if sourceforge allows it...

I was actually thinking of just hanging out at php|tek *as* a meeting...

When I was thinking anyway...

On Tue, April 17, 2007 4:51 pm, Jough Dempsey wrote:
> I see what Larry meant about the configuration of the list.
>
> Meant to send this to all...
>
> On 4/17/07, Jough Dempsey <jou...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>> I don't know how many people in the group are going to PHP|tek (I
>> am) but
>> it seems like it would make sense to push the ChiPUG meeting back a
>> week -
>> maybe we could discuss the conference for those who can't attend?
>>
>> Is anyone else planning on taking the Zend certification exam while
>> at the
>> conference?  I never bothered before but since the exam fee comes
>> with the
>> conference fee, why not?
>>
>> -- Jough
>>
>> On 4/17/07, Richard Lynch <ce...@l-...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Yeah, duh.
>> >
>> > Sorry.
>> >
>> > My brain isn't working well today.
>> >
>> > JASON in JUNE then, eh?
>> >
>> > On Tue, April 17, 2007 4:07 pm, Larry Garfield wrote:
>> > >
>> > > And this was of course supposed to go to the list originally,
>> but as
>> > > this list is stupidly configured... *sigh*
>> > >
>> > > So prepare to see Larry show off tomorrow night. :-)  Isn't next
>> month
>> > > PHPtek, though?  Are we actually going to try and compete with
>> that?
>> > > :-)
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:44:53 -0500 (CDT), "Richard Lynch"
>> > > <ce...@l-...> wrote:
>> > >> Sure!
>> > >>
>> > >> And next month, I think we might have Jason Rexilius speaking
>> about
>> > >> Security Analytics, if he's in town...
>> > >>
>> > >> Anybody got something for JUNE???
>> > >>
>> > >> On Mon, April 16, 2007 4:41 pm, Larry Garfield wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Unless I've been preempted by the Cake guy again (the other
>> Larry),
>> > >>> I
>> > >>> believe this month's presentation is "Larry showing off cool
>> PHP 5
>> > >>> stuff".  Am I still on? :-)
>> > >>>
>> > >>> --Larry Garfield
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On 16 Apr 2007 19:01:00 -0000, ce...@l-... wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> ChiPHPug (Chicago PHP Users Group) meeting is coming up.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> If I wrote the PHP code correctly, it's on 04/18/2007
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> For sure, it's on the THIRD WEDNESDAY of each month.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Time: 6 pm
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Location: 150 North Michigan, Suite 2800
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> http://info.com
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Directions:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Drive: Lake Shore Drive to Randolph. Grant Park North Garage.
>> > >>>> Tunnel
>> > >>>> to
>> > >>>> building/sidewalk.
>> > >>>> CTA: Red/Blue line to Washington. Pedway East to building.
>> (Blue
>> > >>>> Line
>> > >>>> Pedway closed for 2006)
>> > >>>>      Loop trains to Randolph/Wabash.  Walk 2 blocks East.
>> > >>>> Metra: South Shore Line to Randolph. Follow blue wavy lines
>> down
>> > >>>> ramp.
>> > >>>> Tunnel Right to building.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>
>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Some people have a "gift" link here.
>> > >> Know what I want?
>> > >> I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist.
>> > >> http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch
>> > >> Yeah, I get a buck. So?
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Some people have a "gift" link here.
>> > Know what I want?
>> > I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist.
>> > http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch
>> > Yeah, I get a buck. So?
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>
>
>
>
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] ChiPHPug Meeting 3rd Wednesday

[Sarah G. <sa...@fa...>]

reply-all is evil when you use it for a group of people who have not 
opted to join a list together and be represented jointly by one email 
address.   Think of the list as "one" -- one programmer with many heads 
who is trying to have a public discussion with itself.. That might get 
you off the "reply-all is evil" mentality which doesn't fit a listserv 
where the forum is public by default...

+1 to change the settings :)

Richard Lynch wrote:
> I'm still stuck in the reply-to-all-is-evil camp, so the list settings
> are unlikely to change soon, even if sourceforge allows it...
>
> I was actually thinking of just hanging out at php|tek *as* a meeting...
>
> When I was thinking anyway...
>
> On Tue, April 17, 2007 4:51 pm, Jough Dempsey wrote:
>   
>> I see what Larry meant about the configuration of the list.
>>
>> Meant to send this to all...
>>
>> On 4/17/07, Jough Dempsey <jou...@gm...> wrote:
>>     
>>> I don't know how many people in the group are going to PHP|tek (I
>>> am) but
>>> it seems like it would make sense to push the ChiPUG meeting back a
>>> week -
>>> maybe we could discuss the conference for those who can't attend?
>>>
>>> Is anyone else planning on taking the Zend certification exam while
>>> at the
>>> conference?  I never bothered before but since the exam fee comes
>>> with the
>>> conference fee, why not?
>>>
>>> -- Jough
>>>
>>> On 4/17/07, Richard Lynch <ce...@l-...> wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Yeah, duh.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry.
>>>>
>>>> My brain isn't working well today.
>>>>
>>>> JASON in JUNE then, eh?
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, April 17, 2007 4:07 pm, Larry Garfield wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> And this was of course supposed to go to the list originally,
>>>>>           
>>> but as
>>>       
>>>>> this list is stupidly configured... *sigh*
>>>>>
>>>>> So prepare to see Larry show off tomorrow night. :-)  Isn't next
>>>>>           
>>> month
>>>       
>>>>> PHPtek, though?  Are we actually going to try and compete with
>>>>>           
>>> that?
>>>       
>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:44:53 -0500 (CDT), "Richard Lynch"
>>>>> <ce...@l-...> wrote:
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Sure!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And next month, I think we might have Jason Rexilius speaking
>>>>>>             
>>> about
>>>       
>>>>>> Security Analytics, if he's in town...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anybody got something for JUNE???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, April 16, 2007 4:41 pm, Larry Garfield wrote:
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Unless I've been preempted by the Cake guy again (the other
>>>>>>>               
>>> Larry),
>>>       
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> believe this month's presentation is "Larry showing off cool
>>>>>>>               
>>> PHP 5
>>>       
>>>>>>> stuff".  Am I still on? :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --Larry Garfield
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 16 Apr 2007 19:01:00 -0000, ce...@l-... wrote:
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>> ChiPHPug (Chicago PHP Users Group) meeting is coming up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I wrote the PHP code correctly, it's on 04/18/2007
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For sure, it's on the THIRD WEDNESDAY of each month.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Time: 6 pm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Location: 150 North Michigan, Suite 2800
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://info.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Directions:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Drive: Lake Shore Drive to Randolph. Grant Park North Garage.
>>>>>>>> Tunnel
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> building/sidewalk.
>>>>>>>> CTA: Red/Blue line to Washington. Pedway East to building.
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> (Blue
>>>       
>>>>>>>> Line
>>>>>>>> Pedway closed for 2006)
>>>>>>>>      Loop trains to Randolph/Wabash.  Walk 2 blocks East.
>>>>>>>> Metra: South Shore Line to Randolph. Follow blue wavy lines
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> down
>>>       
>>>>>>>> ramp.
>>>>>>>> Tunnel Right to building.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>         
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>>>>>> Know what I want?
>>>>>> I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist.
>>>>>> http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch
>>>>>> Yeah, I get a buck. So?
>>>>>>             
>>>>>           
>>>> --
>>>> Some people have a "gift" link here.
>>>> Know what I want?
>>>> I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist.
>>>> http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch
>>>> Yeah, I get a buck. So?
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>> --
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>>
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>
>
>   

[chiPHPug-discuss] Reply-All not considered harmful [Was: ChiPHPug Meeting 3rd Wednesday]

[Larry G. <la...@ga...>]

If the primary intent of a list is for mass distribution with occasional 
replies back to the sender, then yes, Reply-All gets in the way.

If the primary intent of a list is discussion, then not having Reply-All set 
breaks the discussion. Repeatedly.  At best, it means that people get 
multiple copies of replies to them because one goes to them and one goes to 
the list.  (Am I the only one that *really* hates that?)

I've heard the arguments against Reply-All.  They all come down to "but it's 
so *hard* to reply to an individual then if I want to."  See the first point; 
on a discussion list, you rarely *want* to reply to an individual.  And it's 
only "hard" if your mail reader is pine or mutt or something equally ancient.  
If you're using an MUA developed this century, it has a copy and paste 
function that works quite well for the rare cases you want to reply to an 
individual.  

Viva Reply-All!

On Tuesday 17 April 2007 9:27 pm, Sarah Gray wrote:
> reply-all is evil when you use it for a group of people who have not
> opted to join a list together and be represented jointly by one email
> address.   Think of the list as "one" -- one programmer with many heads
> who is trying to have a public discussion with itself.. That might get
> you off the "reply-all is evil" mentality which doesn't fit a listserv
> where the forum is public by default...
>
> +1 to change the settings :)
>
> Richard Lynch wrote:
> > I'm still stuck in the reply-to-all-is-evil camp, so the list settings
> > are unlikely to change soon, even if sourceforge allows it...
> >
> > I was actually thinking of just hanging out at php|tek *as* a meeting...
> >
> > When I was thinking anyway...
> >
> > On Tue, April 17, 2007 4:51 pm, Jough Dempsey wrote:
> >> I see what Larry meant about the configuration of the list.
> >>
> >> Meant to send this to all...
> >>
> >> On 4/17/07, Jough Dempsey <jou...@gm...> wrote:
> >>> I don't know how many people in the group are going to PHP|tek (I
> >>> am) but
> >>> it seems like it would make sense to push the ChiPUG meeting back a
> >>> week -
> >>> maybe we could discuss the conference for those who can't attend?
> >>>
> >>> Is anyone else planning on taking the Zend certification exam while
> >>> at the
> >>> conference?  I never bothered before but since the exam fee comes
> >>> with the
> >>> conference fee, why not?
> >>>
> >>> -- Jough
> >>>
> >>> On 4/17/07, Richard Lynch <ce...@l-...> wrote:
> >>>> Yeah, duh.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sorry.
> >>>>
> >>>> My brain isn't working well today.
> >>>>
> >>>> JASON in JUNE then, eh?
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, April 17, 2007 4:07 pm, Larry Garfield wrote:
> >>>>> And this was of course supposed to go to the list originally,
> >>>
> >>> but as
> >>>
> >>>>> this list is stupidly configured... *sigh*
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So prepare to see Larry show off tomorrow night. :-)  Isn't next
> >>>
> >>> month
> >>>
> >>>>> PHPtek, though?  Are we actually going to try and compete with
> >>>
> >>> that?
> >>>
> >>>>> :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:44:53 -0500 (CDT), "Richard Lynch"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <ce...@l-...> wrote:
> >>>>>> Sure!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And next month, I think we might have Jason Rexilius speaking
> >>>
> >>> about
> >>>
> >>>>>> Security Analytics, if he's in town...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Anybody got something for JUNE???
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, April 16, 2007 4:41 pm, Larry Garfield wrote:
> >>>>>>> Unless I've been preempted by the Cake guy again (the other
> >>>
> >>> Larry),
> >>>
> >>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>> believe this month's presentation is "Larry showing off cool
> >>>
> >>> PHP 5
> >>>
> >>>>>>> stuff".  Am I still on? :-)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --Larry Garfield
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 16 Apr 2007 19:01:00 -0000, ce...@l-... wrote:
> >>>>>>>> ChiPHPug (Chicago PHP Users Group) meeting is coming up.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If I wrote the PHP code correctly, it's on 04/18/2007
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> For sure, it's on the THIRD WEDNESDAY of each month.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Time: 6 pm
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Location: 150 North Michigan, Suite 2800
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://info.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Directions:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Drive: Lake Shore Drive to Randolph. Grant Park North Garage.
> >>>>>>>> Tunnel
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> building/sidewalk.
> >>>>>>>> CTA: Red/Blue line to Washington. Pedway East to building.
> >>>
> >>> (Blue
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> Line
> >>>>>>>> Pedway closed for 2006)
> >>>>>>>>      Loop trains to Randolph/Wabash.  Walk 2 blocks East.
> >>>>>>>> Metra: South Shore Line to Randolph. Follow blue wavy lines
> >>>
> >>> down
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> ramp.
> >>>>>>>> Tunnel Right to building.
> >>>>
> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>---
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express
> >>>>>>>> Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and
> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>> now.
> >>>
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> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
> >>>>>>>> chi...@li...
> >>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Some people have a "gift" link here.
> >>>>>> Know what I want?
> >>>>>> I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist.
> >>>>>> http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch
> >>>>>> Yeah, I get a buck. So?
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Some people have a "gift" link here.
> >>>> Know what I want?
> >>>> I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist.
> >>>> http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch
> >>>> Yeah, I get a buck. So?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>>> Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take
> >>>> control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now.
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> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
> >>>> chi...@li...
> >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Jough Dempsey
> >>> http://jough.com
> >>> 312.399.6379 (mobile)
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jough Dempsey
> >> http://jough.com
> >> 312.399.6379 (mobile)
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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-- 
Larry Garfield			AIM: LOLG42
la...@ga...		ICQ: 6817012

"If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of 
exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, 
which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to 
himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession 
of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it."  -- Thomas 
Jefferson

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Reply-All not considered harmful [Was: ChiPHPug Meeting 3rd Wednesday]

[Larry G. <la...@ga...>]

Your honor, the state rests. :-)

On Tuesday 17 April 2007 10:37 pm, Jough Dempsey wrote:
> Hey now, let's not start badmouthing Pine...
>
> Anyway, I'm not sure that this list is a democracy, but I'll kick in a
> shill vote for Reply-To being the list address rather than the sender's
> address.
>
> -- Jough
>
> On 4/17/07, Larry Garfield <la...@ga...> wrote:
> > If the primary intent of a list is for mass distribution with occasional
> > replies back to the sender, then yes, Reply-All gets in the way.
> >
> > If the primary intent of a list is discussion, then not having Reply-All
> > set
> > breaks the discussion. Repeatedly.  At best, it means that people get
> > multiple copies of replies to them because one goes to them and one goes
> > to
> > the list.  (Am I the only one that *really* hates that?)
> >
> > I've heard the arguments against Reply-All.  They all come down to "but
> > it's
> > so *hard* to reply to an individual then if I want to."  See the first
> > point;
> > on a discussion list, you rarely *want* to reply to an individual.  And
> > it's
> > only "hard" if your mail reader is pine or mutt or something equally
> > ancient.
> > If you're using an MUA developed this century, it has a copy and paste
> > function that works quite well for the rare cases you want to reply to an
> > individual.
> >
> > Viva Reply-All!
> >
> > On Tuesday 17 April 2007 9:27 pm, Sarah Gray wrote:
> > > reply-all is evil when you use it for a group of people who have not
> > > opted to join a list together and be represented jointly by one email
> > > address.   Think of the list as "one" -- one programmer with many heads
> > > who is trying to have a public discussion with itself.. That might get
> > > you off the "reply-all is evil" mentality which doesn't fit a listserv
> > > where the forum is public by default...
> > >
> > > +1 to change the settings :)
> > >
> > > Richard Lynch wrote:
> > > > I'm still stuck in the reply-to-all-is-evil camp, so the list
> > > > settings are unlikely to change soon, even if sourceforge allows
> > > > it...
> > > >
> > > > I was actually thinking of just hanging out at php|tek *as* a
> >
> > meeting...
> >
> > > > When I was thinking anyway...
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, April 17, 2007 4:51 pm, Jough Dempsey wrote:
> > > >> I see what Larry meant about the configuration of the list.
> > > >>
> > > >> Meant to send this to all...
> > > >>
> > > >> On 4/17/07, Jough Dempsey <jou...@gm...> wrote:
> > > >>> I don't know how many people in the group are going to PHP|tek (I
> > > >>> am) but
> > > >>> it seems like it would make sense to push the ChiPUG meeting back a
> > > >>> week -
> > > >>> maybe we could discuss the conference for those who can't attend?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Is anyone else planning on taking the Zend certification exam while
> > > >>> at the
> > > >>> conference?  I never bothered before but since the exam fee comes
> > > >>> with the
> > > >>> conference fee, why not?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -- Jough
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On 4/17/07, Richard Lynch <ce...@l-...> wrote:
> > > >>>> Yeah, duh.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Sorry.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> My brain isn't working well today.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> JASON in JUNE then, eh?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Tue, April 17, 2007 4:07 pm, Larry Garfield wrote:
> > > >>>>> And this was of course supposed to go to the list originally,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> but as
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>> this list is stupidly configured... *sigh*
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> So prepare to see Larry show off tomorrow night. :-)  Isn't next
> > > >>>
> > > >>> month
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>> PHPtek, though?  Are we actually going to try and compete with
> > > >>>
> > > >>> that?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>> :-)
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:44:53 -0500 (CDT), "Richard Lynch"
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> <ce...@l-...> wrote:
> > > >>>>>> Sure!
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> And next month, I think we might have Jason Rexilius speaking
> > > >>>
> > > >>> about
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>> Security Analytics, if he's in town...
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Anybody got something for JUNE???
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On Mon, April 16, 2007 4:41 pm, Larry Garfield wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> Unless I've been preempted by the Cake guy again (the other
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Larry),
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>> I
> > > >>>>>>> believe this month's presentation is "Larry showing off cool
> > > >>>
> > > >>> PHP 5
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>> stuff".  Am I still on? :-)
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> --Larry Garfield
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> On 16 Apr 2007 19:01:00 -0000, ce...@l-... wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>> ChiPHPug (Chicago PHP Users Group) meeting is coming up.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> If I wrote the PHP code correctly, it's on 04/18/2007
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> For sure, it's on the THIRD WEDNESDAY of each month.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Time: 6 pm
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Location: 150 North Michigan, Suite 2800
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> http://info.com
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Directions:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Drive: Lake Shore Drive to Randolph. Grant Park North Garage.
> > > >>>>>>>> Tunnel
> > > >>>>>>>> to
> > > >>>>>>>> building/sidewalk.
> > > >>>>>>>> CTA: Red/Blue line to Washington. Pedway East to building.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> (Blue
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Line
> > > >>>>>>>> Pedway closed for 2006)
> > > >>>>>>>>      Loop trains to Randolph/Wabash.  Walk 2 blocks East.
> > > >>>>>>>> Metra: South Shore Line to Randolph. Follow blue wavy lines
> > > >>>
> > > >>> down
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> ramp.
> > > >>>>>>>> Tunnel Right to building.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > > >>>>---
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express
> > > >>>>>>>> Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and
> > > >>>
> > > >>> take
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it
> > > >>>
> > > >>> now.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>> http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/
> > > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > > >>>>>>>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
> > > >>>>>>>> chi...@li...
> > > >>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>> Some people have a "gift" link here.
> > > >>>>>> Know what I want?
> > > >>>>>> I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist.
> > > >>>>>> http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch
> > > >>>>>> Yeah, I get a buck. So?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> --
> > > >>>> Some people have a "gift" link here.
> > > >>>> Know what I want?
> > > >>>> I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist.
> > > >>>> http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch
> > > >>>> Yeah, I get a buck. So?
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > > >>>>--- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express
> > > >>>> Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take
> > > >>>> control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now.
> > > >>>> http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/
> > > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > > >>>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
> > > >>>> chi...@li...
> > > >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> Jough Dempsey
> > > >>> http://jough.com
> > > >>> 312.399.6379 (mobile)
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Jough Dempsey
> > > >> http://jough.com
> > > >> 312.399.6379 (mobile)
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > > >>- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express
> > > >> Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take
> > > >> control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now.
> > > >> http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
> > > >> chi...@li...
> > > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > > This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express
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> > > control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now.
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> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > chi...@li...
> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
> >
> > --
> > Larry Garfield                  AIM: LOLG42
> > la...@ga...          ICQ: 6817012
> >
> > "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of
> > exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an
> > idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it
> > to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the
> > possession
> > of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it."  --
> > Thomas
> > Jefferson
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express
> > Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take
> > control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now.
> > http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/
> > _______________________________________________
> > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
> > chi...@li...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss

-- 
Larry Garfield			AIM: LOLG42
la...@ga...		ICQ: 6817012

"If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of 
exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, 
which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to 
himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession 
of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it."  -- Thomas 
Jefferson

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Reply-All not considered harmful [Was: ChiPHPug Meeting 3rd Wednesday]

[Jough D. <jou...@gm...>]

Oh man, I forgot to reply to the list in a discussion about replying to the
list.  Surely, this is a new low.

/hangs head in shame

On 4/17/07, Larry Garfield <la...@ga...> wrote:
>
> Your honor, the state rests. :-)
>
> On Tuesday 17 April 2007 10:37 pm, Jough Dempsey wrote:
> > Hey now, let's not start badmouthing Pine...
> >
> > Anyway, I'm not sure that this list is a democracy, but I'll kick in a
> > shill vote for Reply-To being the list address rather than the sender's
> > address.
> >
> > -- Jough
> >
> > On 4/17/07, Larry Garfield <la...@ga...> wrote:
> > > If the primary intent of a list is for mass distribution with
> occasional
> > > replies back to the sender, then yes, Reply-All gets in the way.
> > >
> > > If the primary intent of a list is discussion, then not having
> Reply-All
> > > set
> > > breaks the discussion. Repeatedly.  At best, it means that people get
> > > multiple copies of replies to them because one goes to them and one
> goes
> > > to
> > > the list.  (Am I the only one that *really* hates that?)
> > >
> > > I've heard the arguments against Reply-All.  They all come down to
> "but
> > > it's
> > > so *hard* to reply to an individual then if I want to."  See the first
> > > point;
> > > on a discussion list, you rarely *want* to reply to an
> individual.  And
> > > it's
> > > only "hard" if your mail reader is pine or mutt or something equally
> > > ancient.
> > > If you're using an MUA developed this century, it has a copy and paste
> > > function that works quite well for the rare cases you want to reply to
> an
> > > individual.
> > >
> > > Viva Reply-All!
> > >
> > > On Tuesday 17 April 2007 9:27 pm, Sarah Gray wrote:
> > > > reply-all is evil when you use it for a group of people who have not
> > > > opted to join a list together and be represented jointly by one
> email
> > > > address.   Think of the list as "one" -- one programmer with many
> heads
> > > > who is trying to have a public discussion with itself.. That might
> get
> > > > you off the "reply-all is evil" mentality which doesn't fit a
> listserv
> > > > where the forum is public by default...
> > > >
> > > > +1 to change the settings :)
> > > >
> > > > Richard Lynch wrote:
> > > > > I'm still stuck in the reply-to-all-is-evil camp, so the list
> > > > > settings are unlikely to change soon, even if sourceforge allows
> > > > > it...
> > > > >
> > > > > I was actually thinking of just hanging out at php|tek *as* a
> > >
> > > meeting...
> > >
> > > > > When I was thinking anyway...
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, April 17, 2007 4:51 pm, Jough Dempsey wrote:
> > > > >> I see what Larry meant about the configuration of the list.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Meant to send this to all...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 4/17/07, Jough Dempsey <jou...@gm...> wrote:
> > > > >>> I don't know how many people in the group are going to PHP|tek
> (I
> > > > >>> am) but
> > > > >>> it seems like it would make sense to push the ChiPUG meeting
> back a
> > > > >>> week -
> > > > >>> maybe we could discuss the conference for those who can't
> attend?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Is anyone else planning on taking the Zend certification exam
> while
> > > > >>> at the
> > > > >>> conference?  I never bothered before but since the exam fee
> comes
> > > > >>> with the
> > > > >>> conference fee, why not?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> -- Jough
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On 4/17/07, Richard Lynch <ce...@l-...> wrote:
> > > > >>>> Yeah, duh.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Sorry.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> My brain isn't working well today.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> JASON in JUNE then, eh?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On Tue, April 17, 2007 4:07 pm, Larry Garfield wrote:
> > > > >>>>> And this was of course supposed to go to the list originally,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> but as
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> this list is stupidly configured... *sigh*
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> So prepare to see Larry show off tomorrow night. :-)  Isn't
> next
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> month
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> PHPtek, though?  Are we actually going to try and compete with
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> that?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>> :-)
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:44:53 -0500 (CDT), "Richard Lynch"
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> <ce...@l-...> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>> Sure!
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> And next month, I think we might have Jason Rexilius speaking
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> about
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>> Security Analytics, if he's in town...
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Anybody got something for JUNE???
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> On Mon, April 16, 2007 4:41 pm, Larry Garfield wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>> Unless I've been preempted by the Cake guy again (the other
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Larry),
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>> I
> > > > >>>>>>> believe this month's presentation is "Larry showing off cool
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> PHP 5
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>> stuff".  Am I still on? :-)
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> --Larry Garfield
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> On 16 Apr 2007 19:01:00 -0000, ce...@l-... wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>> ChiPHPug (Chicago PHP Users Group) meeting is coming up.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> If I wrote the PHP code correctly, it's on 04/18/2007
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> For sure, it's on the THIRD WEDNESDAY of each month.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Time: 6 pm
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Location: 150 North Michigan, Suite 2800
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> http://info.com
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Directions:
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Drive: Lake Shore Drive to Randolph. Grant Park North
> Garage.
> > > > >>>>>>>> Tunnel
> > > > >>>>>>>> to
> > > > >>>>>>>> building/sidewalk.
> > > > >>>>>>>> CTA: Red/Blue line to Washington. Pedway East to building.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> (Blue
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Line
> > > > >>>>>>>> Pedway closed for 2006)
> > > > >>>>>>>>      Loop trains to Randolph/Wabash.  Walk 2 blocks East.
> > > > >>>>>>>> Metra: South Shore Line to Randolph. Follow blue wavy lines
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> down
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> ramp.
> > > > >>>>>>>> Tunnel Right to building.
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > > >>>>---
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express
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> > > > >>>
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> > > > >>> now.
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> > > > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> > > > >>>>>>>> chi...@li...
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> --
> > > > >>>>>> Some people have a "gift" link here.
> > > > >>>>>> Know what I want?
> > > > >>>>>> I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist.
> > > > >>>>>> http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch
> > > > >>>>>> Yeah, I get a buck. So?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> --
> > > > >>>> Some people have a "gift" link here.
> > > > >>>> Know what I want?
> > > > >>>> I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist.
> > > > >>>> http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch
> > > > >>>> Yeah, I get a buck. So?
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > > >>>>--- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express
> > > > >>>> Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and
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> > > > >>>> chi...@li...
> > > > >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> --
> > > > >>> Jough Dempsey
> > > > >>> http://jough.com
> > > > >>> 312.399.6379 (mobile)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> Jough Dempsey
> > > > >> http://jough.com
> > > > >> 312.399.6379 (mobile)
> > >
> > >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > > >>- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express
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> > > > >> _______________________________________________
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> > >
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> > >
> > > --
> > > Larry Garfield                  AIM: LOLG42
> > > la...@ga...          ICQ: 6817012
> > >
> > > "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of
> > > exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an
> > > idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps
> it
> > > to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the
> > > possession
> > > of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it."  --
> > > Thomas
> > > Jefferson
> > >
> > >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take
> > > control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now.
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> > > _______________________________________________
> > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
> > > chi...@li...
> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>
> --
> Larry Garfield                  AIM: LOLG42
> la...@ga...          ICQ: 6817012
>
> "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of
> exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea,
> which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to
> himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the
> possession
> of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it."  --
> Thomas
> Jefferson
>



-- 
Jough Dempsey
http://jough.com
312.399.6379 (mobile)

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Reply-All not considered harmful [Was: ChiPHPug Meeting 3rd Wednesday]

[Jason R. <ja...@ho...>]

Actually, I have to agree.  I usually reply publicly and rarely reply to 
  individual... cuz, ya know.. what I have to say is so important.. uhh..

But seriously the volume of replies is generally group discussion and it 
is a lot of clicks and backspace keys to get it to not reply to list and 
sender. I do try to be polite and not subject the poor sender to more of 
my yammering than is necessary ;-)

+1 change settings..


Jough Dempsey wrote:
> Oh man, I forgot to reply to the list in a discussion about replying to the
> list.  Surely, this is a new low.
> 
> /hangs head in shame
> 
> On 4/17/07, Larry Garfield <la...@ga...> wrote:
>> Your honor, the state rests. :-)
>>
>> On Tuesday 17 April 2007 10:37 pm, Jough Dempsey wrote:
>>> Hey now, let's not start badmouthing Pine...
>>>
>>> Anyway, I'm not sure that this list is a democracy, but I'll kick in a
>>> shill vote for Reply-To being the list address rather than the sender's
>>> address.
>>>
>>> -- Jough
>>>
>>> On 4/17/07, Larry Garfield <la...@ga...> wrote:
>>>> If the primary intent of a list is for mass distribution with
>> occasional
>>>> replies back to the sender, then yes, Reply-All gets in the way.
>>>>
>>>> If the primary intent of a list is discussion, then not having
>> Reply-All
>>>> set
>>>> breaks the discussion. Repeatedly.  At best, it means that people get
>>>> multiple copies of replies to them because one goes to them and one
>> goes
>>>> to
>>>> the list.  (Am I the only one that *really* hates that?)
>>>>
>>>> I've heard the arguments against Reply-All.  They all come down to
>> "but
>>>> it's
>>>> so *hard* to reply to an individual then if I want to."  See the first
>>>> point;
>>>> on a discussion list, you rarely *want* to reply to an
>> individual.  And
>>>> it's
>>>> only "hard" if your mail reader is pine or mutt or something equally
>>>> ancient.
>>>> If you're using an MUA developed this century, it has a copy and paste
>>>> function that works quite well for the rare cases you want to reply to
>> an
>>>> individual.
>>>>
>>>> Viva Reply-All!
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday 17 April 2007 9:27 pm, Sarah Gray wrote:
>>>>> reply-all is evil when you use it for a group of people who have not
>>>>> opted to join a list together and be represented jointly by one
>> email
>>>>> address.   Think of the list as "one" -- one programmer with many
>> heads
>>>>> who is trying to have a public discussion with itself.. That might
>> get
>>>>> you off the "reply-all is evil" mentality which doesn't fit a
>> listserv
>>>>> where the forum is public by default...
>>>>>
>>>>> +1 to change the settings :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Lynch wrote:
>>>>>> I'm still stuck in the reply-to-all-is-evil camp, so the list
>>>>>> settings are unlikely to change soon, even if sourceforge allows
>>>>>> it...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was actually thinking of just hanging out at php|tek *as* a
>>>> meeting...
>>>>
>>>>>> When I was thinking anyway...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, April 17, 2007 4:51 pm, Jough Dempsey wrote:
>>>>>>> I see what Larry meant about the configuration of the list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Meant to send this to all...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/17/07, Jough Dempsey <jou...@gm...> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I don't know how many people in the group are going to PHP|tek
>> (I
>>>>>>>> am) but
>>>>>>>> it seems like it would make sense to push the ChiPUG meeting
>> back a
>>>>>>>> week -
>>>>>>>> maybe we could discuss the conference for those who can't
>> attend?
>>>>>>>> Is anyone else planning on taking the Zend certification exam
>> while
>>>>>>>> at the
>>>>>>>> conference?  I never bothered before but since the exam fee
>> comes
>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>> conference fee, why not?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- Jough
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/17/07, Richard Lynch <ce...@l-...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, duh.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My brain isn't working well today.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> JASON in JUNE then, eh?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, April 17, 2007 4:07 pm, Larry Garfield wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> And this was of course supposed to go to the list originally,
>>>>>>>> but as
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> this list is stupidly configured... *sigh*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So prepare to see Larry show off tomorrow night. :-)  Isn't
>> next
>>>>>>>> month
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> PHPtek, though?  Are we actually going to try and compete with
>>>>>>>> that?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:44:53 -0500 (CDT), "Richard Lynch"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <ce...@l-...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Sure!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And next month, I think we might have Jason Rexilius speaking
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Security Analytics, if he's in town...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Anybody got something for JUNE???
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, April 16, 2007 4:41 pm, Larry Garfield wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unless I've been preempted by the Cake guy again (the other
>>>>>>>> Larry),
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> believe this month's presentation is "Larry showing off cool
>>>>>>>> PHP 5
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff".  Am I still on? :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --Larry Garfield
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 Apr 2007 19:01:00 -0000, ce...@l-... wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ChiPHPug (Chicago PHP Users Group) meeting is coming up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I wrote the PHP code correctly, it's on 04/18/2007
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For sure, it's on the THIRD WEDNESDAY of each month.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time: 6 pm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Location: 150 North Michigan, Suite 2800
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://info.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Directions:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive: Lake Shore Drive to Randolph. Grant Park North
>> Garage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tunnel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> building/sidewalk.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CTA: Red/Blue line to Washington. Pedway East to building.
>>>>>>>> (Blue
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Line
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pedway closed for 2006)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Loop trains to Randolph/Wabash.  Walk 2 blocks East.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Metra: South Shore Line to Randolph. Follow blue wavy lines
>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ramp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tunnel Right to building.
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express
>> and
>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it
>>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> chi...@li...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Some people have a "gift" link here.
>>>>>>>>>>> Know what I want?
>>>>>>>>>>> I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist.
>>>>>>>>>>> http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I get a buck. So?
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Some people have a "gift" link here.
>>>>>>>>> Know what I want?
>>>>>>>>> I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist.
>>>>>>>>> http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I get a buck. So?
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express
>>>>>>>>> Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and
>> take
>>>>>>>>> control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now.
>>>>>>>>> http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
>>>>>>>>> chi...@li...
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Jough Dempsey
>>>>>>>> http://jough.com
>>>>>>>> 312.399.6379 (mobile)
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jough Dempsey
>>>>>>> http://jough.com
>>>>>>> 312.399.6379 (mobile)
>>>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express
>>>>>>> Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take
>>>>>>> control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now.
>>>>>>> http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
>>>>>>> chi...@li...
>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>>>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express
>>>>> Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take
>>>>> control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now.
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>>>>> chi...@li...
>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>>>> --
>>>> Larry Garfield                  AIM: LOLG42
>>>> la...@ga...          ICQ: 6817012
>>>>
>>>> "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of
>>>> exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an
>>>> idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps
>> it
>>>> to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the
>>>> possession
>>>> of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it."  --
>>>> Thomas
>>>> Jefferson
>>>>
>>>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express
>>>> Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take
>>>> control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now.
>>>> http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
>>>> chi...@li...
>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>> --
>> Larry Garfield                  AIM: LOLG42
>> la...@ga...          ICQ: 6817012
>>
>> "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of
>> exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea,
>> which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to
>> himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the
>> possession
>> of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it."  --
>> Thomas
>> Jefferson
>>
> 
> 
> 

[chiPHPug-discuss] PHPTEK Conference questions

[Roderick T. <tho...@ms...>]

Hey everybody,

I'm sure some of you remember me.  Around this time last year I was  
constantly requesting help with scripting issues and I attend several  
meeting on Wednesdays and Saturdays.

I'm considering attending the upcoming conference, but I'm concerned that  
I may not receive any real benefits from doing so.  And the fact that the  
cost is expensive for my budget doesn't help matters.  I really appreciate  
all of the help that I've gotten from you folks, but I've often felt like  
my questions have been annoying.  And most times when I receive helpful  
scripts in response to my question, I don't know how they should be  
structured with the rest of my script.  Please don't take this the wrong  
way, but I've actually gotten headaches at some of the UserGroup meetings  
as a result of the discussions being so far out of my conceptual grasp.  
But it's not just you.  I've gotten booted from online UserGroups for  
creating so much tension by asking questions that greatly annoyed many of  
the other members.  And I've done the same thing with this group also.   
Thank goodness you guys were kind enough to let me stay on the list  
anyway. I have a true passion for dynamic scripting, but my quest has been  
extremely frustrating.

So please, be brutally honest...
Do you think it's a good idea for me to attend the conference? Below is a  
message that I sent to PHPTEK--asking the same question.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm hardly a programmer, at all.  However, I'm fascinated with PHP and all  
that dynamic scripting entails.  I have developed a web-based application  
that stores and displays contact information for my department's  
affiliated agencies.  While my application is very basic and poorly built  
as compared to the big scheme of PHP, my department and close friends  
think the world of it (I'm the most technical person they interact with on  
a personal level).

I would desperately like to enhance my programming skills and make better  
use of PHP, but it's been my experience that PHP user groups discussions  
have been over my head.  And when more advanced programmers take time to  
talk with me, they tend to spend more time criticizing my structure than  
sharing coding pointers with me.  It seems that the more I ask for  
clarification, the more I annoy my mentors.  I don't like irritating them  
by asking questions that they consider redundant, but I also find it  
frustrating to sit through lengthy talks that I'm unable to connect with.   
I would hate to have that sort of an experience at a conference that I've  
paid over $1,000 to attend.

Your conference is very expensive for my budget.  However, I think it  
could be well worth the sacrifice if it helps to improve my programming  
skills.  Will the conference provide a comfortable environment for novice  
programmers?  Am I at a good place to benefit from the Add-On Tutorial  
sessions?

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] PHPTEK Conference questions

[Jason R. <ja...@ho...>]

Hey Roderick!

   This is Jason, I do remember you coming to the meetings and the 
flurry of emails with coding questions.

   My short answer is that if, over the last year, you have not mastered 
some of the PHP language and associated programming environments then 
you might not get as much tangible value out of the conference (other 
than hearing me speak of course ;-) ).

   You will likely get value learning what things are possible, 
networking, and possibly picking up a lot of specific technical pointers 
that you wouldn't get easily otherwise.


   Regarding the fact that some of our meetings get pretty heavy 
technically, I think you are right that we should probably set aside 
some time every other meeting to cover intro and basics.  Most of the 
group are old hands at PHP and we care about pushing the envelope but we 
should, as a group, try a bit more to help newbs get up to speed.

   Maybe a beginner hack-camp at one of the meetings..?..

   Regarding your tone in correspondence, I think we had a little 
tension a while back over just that topic.  I would say that you are 
getting enough push back from multiple sources to indicate that your 
tone isn't always received the right way.  I would suggest trying 
something new in the way that you email the groups.

   One tactic that they teach sales people and customer reps is to 
compose an email, save it as a draft, go do some other task, come back 
and re-read it, and then send it.   That may help..

   Hmm.. reply to long winded email with long winded email.. Ah well.. 
good luck and hope to see you around!

-jason


Roderick Thomas wrote:
> Hey everybody,
> 
> I'm sure some of you remember me.  Around this time last year I was  
> constantly requesting help with scripting issues and I attend several  
> meeting on Wednesdays and Saturdays.
> 
> I'm considering attending the upcoming conference, but I'm concerned that  
> I may not receive any real benefits from doing so.  And the fact that the  
> cost is expensive for my budget doesn't help matters.  I really appreciate  
> all of the help that I've gotten from you folks, but I've often felt like  
> my questions have been annoying.  And most times when I receive helpful  
> scripts in response to my question, I don't know how they should be  
> structured with the rest of my script.  Please don't take this the wrong  
> way, but I've actually gotten headaches at some of the UserGroup meetings  
> as a result of the discussions being so far out of my conceptual grasp.  
> But it's not just you.  I've gotten booted from online UserGroups for  
> creating so much tension by asking questions that greatly annoyed many of  
> the other members.  And I've done the same thing with this group also.   
> Thank goodness you guys were kind enough to let me stay on the list  
> anyway. I have a true passion for dynamic scripting, but my quest has been  
> extremely frustrating.
> 
> So please, be brutally honest...
> Do you think it's a good idea for me to attend the conference? Below is a  
> message that I sent to PHPTEK--asking the same question.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> I'm hardly a programmer, at all.  However, I'm fascinated with PHP and all  
> that dynamic scripting entails.  I have developed a web-based application  
> that stores and displays contact information for my department's  
> affiliated agencies.  While my application is very basic and poorly built  
> as compared to the big scheme of PHP, my department and close friends  
> think the world of it (I'm the most technical person they interact with on  
> a personal level).
> 
> I would desperately like to enhance my programming skills and make better  
> use of PHP, but it's been my experience that PHP user groups discussions  
> have been over my head.  And when more advanced programmers take time to  
> talk with me, they tend to spend more time criticizing my structure than  
> sharing coding pointers with me.  It seems that the more I ask for  
> clarification, the more I annoy my mentors.  I don't like irritating them  
> by asking questions that they consider redundant, but I also find it  
> frustrating to sit through lengthy talks that I'm unable to connect with.   
> I would hate to have that sort of an experience at a conference that I've  
> paid over $1,000 to attend.
> 
> Your conference is very expensive for my budget.  However, I think it  
> could be well worth the sacrifice if it helps to improve my programming  
> skills.  Will the conference provide a comfortable environment for novice  
> programmers?  Am I at a good place to benefit from the Add-On Tutorial  
> sessions?
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express
> Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take
> control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now.
> http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/
> _______________________________________________
> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
> chi...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] PHPTEK Conference questions

[Keith C. <mai...@ca...>]

On 4/18/07, Jason Rexilius <ja...@ho...> wrote:
>    Regarding the fact that some of our meetings get pretty heavy
> technically, I think you are right that we should probably set aside
> some time every other meeting to cover intro and basics.  Most of the
> group are old hands at PHP and we care about pushing the envelope but we
> should, as a group, try a bit more to help newbs get up to speed.

One of the things we do here at our DCPHP meetings is have an "open
question" time where people throw out issues that they've been dealing
with recently (solved or not) to get feedback.  It's stunning how
often you're dealing with something that someone else recently solved,
figured out a way around, read about, etc.  Just because something is
new/old to you doesn't mean it's the same for everyone.

These discussions often break up into a few smaller groups as the
nitty-gritty of the issue is talked about, but it gives a great
opportunity to talk with other people of varying skills/experience.

My 0.02,
kc

-- 
D. Keith Casey Jr.
CEO, CaseySoftware, LLC
http://CaseySoftware.com

[chiPHPug-discuss] Beginner's Break (was PHPTEK Conference questions)

[Richard L. <ce...@l-...>]

So...

Let's try and be more inviting to beginners with a "Beginner's Break"
at the start of each meeting, eh?

I've been meaning to do this, and tried to get started with it before,
but hopefully we'll follow-through better this time...

I also definitely like the idea of ending with specific user
questions, time permitting.

That does tend to lead to small group stuff, and sometimes total
anarchy and a meeting that drags on.

Perhaps we could take turns coming up with something good for a
beginner, or taking an on-line tutorial and re-working it for our own
site or...

To get the ball rolling, how about some "old hands" answer this
open-ended question OFF-LIST to me, and I'll see what I can pull out
of it for the JUNE meeting Beginner's Break. (MAY being php|tek
itself...)

What one thing do you wish somebody had told you when you were a
beginner?


I'll even try to have some kind of beginner's Tips for tonight's
meeting, if I can squeeze out a half-hour of free time from work and
meeeting prep errands...

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Beginner's Break (was PHPTEK Conference questions)

[Roderick T. <tho...@ms...>]

"Beginner's Break" sounds like a dream come true for me.  Thanks for  
considering the thought.  I'll be coming to the Wednesday meetings on a  
regular basis starting with June.  And I'll also make the socials when I'm  
in town on weekends.



On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:07:03 -0400, Richard Lynch <ce...@l-...> wrote:

> So...
>
> Let's try and be more inviting to beginners with a "Beginner's Break"
> at the start of each meeting, eh?
>
> I've been meaning to do this, and tried to get started with it before,
> but hopefully we'll follow-through better this time...
>
> I also definitely like the idea of ending with specific user
> questions, time permitting.
>
> That does tend to lead to small group stuff, and sometimes total
> anarchy and a meeting that drags on.
>
> Perhaps we could take turns coming up with something good for a
> beginner, or taking an on-line tutorial and re-working it for our own
> site or...
>
> To get the ball rolling, how about some "old hands" answer this
> open-ended question OFF-LIST to me, and I'll see what I can pull out
> of it for the JUNE meeting Beginner's Break. (MAY being php|tek
> itself...)
>
> What one thing do you wish somebody had told you when you were a
> beginner?
>
>
> I'll even try to have some kind of beginner's Tips for tonight's
> meeting, if I can squeeze out a half-hour of free time from work and
> meeeting prep errands...
>
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] ChiPHPug Meeting 3rd Wednesday

[Sarah G. <sa...@fa...>]

6-8 HOURS of driving?? Where are you coming from that's so far away -- 
and are you sure a php group meeting in another state might not be 
closer to home? Not that you're not welcome, but that's a helluva drive!

Roderick Thomas wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I won't be attending tonight's meeting, after all.  I've caught a cold and so I'm not feeling up to 6-8 hours of driving today.  I apologize to anyone who was prepared to accomodate beginners.  The idea of discussing arrays was a good idea to me.  I hope I can still meet with some of you at the 1st Saturday social and pick up some pointers at that time.
>
>Rod    
>
>
>  
>
>>>><ce...@l-...> 4/17/2006 3:01 PM >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>
>ChiPHPug (Chicago PHP Users Group) meeting is coming up.
>
>
>
>If I wrote the PHP code correctly, it's on 04/19/2006
>
>
>
>For sure, it's on the THIRD WEDNESDAY of each month.
>
>
>
>Time: 6 pm
>
>Location: 223 West Erie, Suite 3NW
>
>http://typea.net 
>
>
>
>Directions:
>
>Take 90/94 to Ohio exit ramp.
>Turn left at base of ramp onto Orleans, or Franklin a block later.
>Turn right on Erie.
>Park.
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