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From: matt d. <mm_...@ya...> - 2008-03-17 14:59:14
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Smarty is 'the cancer'. If you have to ask why, you probably don't need it in the first place and/or are coding with old standards. WEB 2.0 smarty is not! ----- Original Message ---- From: Ryan Guthrie <sok...@gm...> To: Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the Chicago PHP User's Group. <chi...@li...> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:39:10 AM Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Threadless/Skinnycorp is hiring a couple PHP peeps Smarty's template system works great, and it is really easy to plugin and start using. It's template system is a lot more powerful than just directly substituting variables. It's saved me a huge amount of time with a few different websites On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Larry Garfield <la...@ga...> wrote: > *ding!* Round one! > > > > On Sunday 16 March 2008, Luca Matteis wrote: > > Smarty sucks! > > > > Luca > > > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 01:36:39PM -0700, Steven wrote: > > > PHP can use namespaces? I didn't know that, though that is quite useful. > > > Smarty also looks like something that would be fun to learn. > > > > > > Unfortunately, I'm clueless as to how i18n goes. > > > > > > ~Amaroq > > > > > > Harper Reed <ha...@sk...> wrote: > > > Hi everyone! > > > > > > I have met many of you before, but i wanted to introduce myself. My > > > name is Harper and I am the CTO of Threadless/skinnyCorp. We are > > > awesome. We need some awesome php devs to help us be awesomer (heh). > > > > > > We are looking for PHP devs who like coding, love namespaces (haha), > > > smarty, i18n and sludging through legacy code refactoring it to > > > awesomness. > > > > > > Email me directly for more info. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Harper > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Harper Reed > > > ha...@sk... > > > skinnyCorp, LLC > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Harper Reed > > > ha...@sk... > > > skinnyCorp, LLC > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > > > chi...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > > > chi...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > > chi...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > > > -- > Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 > la...@ga... ICQ: 6817012 > > "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of > exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, > which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to > himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession > of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas > Jefferson > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ chiPHPug-discuss mailing list chi...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss |
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From: matt d. <mm_...@ya...> - 2008-03-17 16:32:25
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Yeah- you build the template system in Javascript. I won't detail why thats more intelligent since you don't claim to care. ----- Original Message ---- From: Ryan Guthrie <sok...@gm...> To: Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the Chicago PHP User's Group. <chi...@li...> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 10:54:28 AM Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Threadless/Skinnycorp is hiring a couple PHP peeps That statement is so vague and biased that I had to debate for some time whether it is worth responding to. This is my last reply on the subject since I don't want to argue about Smarty here, but if you have any actual facts as to why using Smarty is bad, and even better, know of a template system that fits your 'web 2.0' notions, I would like to hear it. Calling it 'cancer' and not 'web 2.0' isn't informative at all, especially since web 2.0 means about a million different things to different people - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2 . Not one single mention of meanings on there has anything to do with using Smarty. On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 7:59 AM, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote: > Smarty is 'the cancer'. > If you have to ask why, you probably don't need it in the first place and/or are coding with old standards. WEB 2.0 smarty is not! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Ryan Guthrie <sok...@gm...> > To: Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the Chicago PHP User's Group. <chi...@li...> > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:39:10 AM > Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Threadless/Skinnycorp is hiring a couple PHP peeps > > Smarty's template system works great, and it is really easy to plugin > and start using. It's template system is a lot more powerful than just > directly substituting variables. It's saved me a huge amount of time > with a few different websites > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Larry Garfield <la...@ga...> wrote: > > *ding!* Round one! > > > > > > > > On Sunday 16 March 2008, Luca Matteis wrote: > > > Smarty sucks! > > > > > > Luca > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 01:36:39PM -0700, Steven wrote: > > > > PHP can use namespaces? I didn't know that, though that is quite useful. > > > > Smarty also looks like something that would be fun to learn. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I'm clueless as to how i18n goes. > > > > > > > > ~Amaroq > > > > > > > > Harper Reed <ha...@sk...> wrote: > > > > Hi everyone! > > > > > > > > I have met many of you before, but i wanted to introduce myself. My > > > > name is Harper and I am the CTO of Threadless/skinnyCorp. We are > > > > awesome. We need some awesome php devs to help us be awesomer (heh). > > > > > > > > We are looking for PHP devs who like coding, love namespaces (haha), > > > > smarty, i18n and sludging through legacy code refactoring it to > > > > awesomness. > > > > > > > > Email me directly for more info. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Harper > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Harper Reed > > > > ha...@sk... > > > > skinnyCorp, LLC > > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Harper Reed > > > > ha...@sk... > > > > skinnyCorp, LLC > > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > > > > chi...@li... > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > > > > chi...@li... > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > > > chi...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > > > > > > > -- > > Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 > > la...@ga... ICQ: 6817012 > > > > "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of > > exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, > > which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to > > himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession > > of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas > > Jefferson > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > > chi...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ chiPHPug-discuss mailing list chi...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss |
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From: matt d. <mm_...@ya...> - 2008-03-17 18:40:55
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I would make a wager the 're-factoring' the original job post referred to involving removing any trace of smarty. And the 'rants' were some humor which is apparently a foreign concept. I'll strive to be more rigid and droll with the list moving forward and get my thoughts pre-approved by the resident 'technical forum' experts (yourself and neil). ----- Original Message ---- From: Jason Rexilius <ja...@ho...> To: Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the Chicago PHP User's Group. <chi...@li...> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 12:44:17 PM Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Threadless/Skinnycorp is hiring a couple PHP peeps Using web2.0 in any form other than a joke is bad. And last I checked this was a technical forum. Adding some specific reasons why Smarty sucks might have value. Vague rants about something just sucking with nothing to back it up doesn't add value. Having never used smarty I think it would be interesting to hear about some of its shortcomings or benefits. And let me close by saying that web2.0 sucks.. ;-) Ryan Guthrie wrote: > That statement is so vague and biased that I had to debate for some > time whether it is worth responding to. This is my last reply on the > subject since I don't want to argue about Smarty here, but if you have > any actual facts as to why using Smarty is bad, and even better, know > of a template system that fits your 'web 2.0' notions, I would like to > hear it. Calling it 'cancer' and not 'web 2.0' isn't informative at > all, especially since web 2.0 means about a million different things > to different people - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2 . Not one > single mention of meanings on there has anything to do with using > Smarty. > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 7:59 AM, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote: >> Smarty is 'the cancer'. >> If you have to ask why, you probably don't need it in the first place and/or are coding with old standards. WEB 2.0 smarty is not! >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Ryan Guthrie <sok...@gm...> >> To: Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the Chicago PHP User's Group. <chi...@li...> >> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:39:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Threadless/Skinnycorp is hiring a couple PHP peeps >> >> Smarty's template system works great, and it is really easy to plugin >> and start using. It's template system is a lot more powerful than just >> directly substituting variables. It's saved me a huge amount of time >> with a few different websites >> >> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Larry Garfield <la...@ga...> wrote: >> > *ding!* Round one! >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sunday 16 March 2008, Luca Matteis wrote: >> > > Smarty sucks! >> > > >> > > Luca >> > > >> > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 01:36:39PM -0700, Steven wrote: >> > > > PHP can use namespaces? I didn't know that, though that is quite useful. >> > > > Smarty also looks like something that would be fun to learn. >> > > > >> > > > Unfortunately, I'm clueless as to how i18n goes. >> > > > >> > > > ~Amaroq >> > > > >> > > > Harper Reed <ha...@sk...> wrote: >> > > > Hi everyone! >> > > > >> > > > I have met many of you before, but i wanted to introduce myself. My >> > > > name is Harper and I am the CTO of Threadless/skinnyCorp. We are >> > > > awesome. We need some awesome php devs to help us be awesomer (heh). >> > > > >> > > > We are looking for PHP devs who like coding, love namespaces (haha), >> > > > smarty, i18n and sludging through legacy code refactoring it to >> > > > awesomness. >> > > > >> > > > Email me directly for more info. >> > > > >> > > > Thanks, >> > > > Harper >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Harper Reed >> > > > ha...@sk... >> > > > skinnyCorp, LLC >> > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Harper Reed >> > > > ha...@sk... >> > > > skinnyCorp, LLC >> > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 >> > > > >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> > > > chi...@li... >> > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > --------------------------------- >> > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> > > > chi...@li... >> > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> > > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> > > chi...@li... >> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 >> > la...@ga... ICQ: 6817012 >> > >> > "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of >> > exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, >> > which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to >> > himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession >> > of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas >> > Jefferson >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > >> > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> > chi...@li... >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> chi...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> chi...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ chiPHPug-discuss mailing list chi...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss |
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From: Jason R. <ja...@ho...> - 2008-03-17 19:54:00
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Thanks matt.. Please schedule your email approvals with my secretary. Attitude aside, did you actually have anything useful to say? matt donohue wrote: > I would make a wager the 're-factoring' the original job post referred to involving removing any trace of smarty. > And the 'rants' were some humor which is apparently a foreign concept. > I'll strive to be more rigid and droll with the list moving forward and get my thoughts pre-approved by the resident 'technical forum' experts (yourself and neil). > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jason Rexilius <ja...@ho...> > To: Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the Chicago PHP User's Group. <chi...@li...> > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 12:44:17 PM > Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Threadless/Skinnycorp is hiring a couple PHP peeps > > Using web2.0 in any form other than a joke is bad. > > And last I checked this was a technical forum. Adding some specific > reasons why Smarty sucks might have value. Vague rants about something > just sucking with nothing to back it up doesn't add value. > > Having never used smarty I think it would be interesting to hear about > some of its shortcomings or benefits. > > And let me close by saying that web2.0 sucks.. > > ;-) > > > > Ryan Guthrie wrote: >> That statement is so vague and biased that I had to debate for some >> time whether it is worth responding to. This is my last reply on the >> subject since I don't want to argue about Smarty here, but if you have >> any actual facts as to why using Smarty is bad, and even better, know >> of a template system that fits your 'web 2.0' notions, I would like to >> hear it. Calling it 'cancer' and not 'web 2.0' isn't informative at >> all, especially since web 2.0 means about a million different things >> to different people - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2 . Not one >> single mention of meanings on there has anything to do with using >> Smarty. >> >> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 7:59 AM, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote: >>> Smarty is 'the cancer'. >>> If you have to ask why, you probably don't need it in the first place and/or are coding with old standards. WEB 2.0 smarty is not! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Ryan Guthrie <sok...@gm...> >>> To: Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the Chicago PHP User's Group. <chi...@li...> >>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:39:10 AM >>> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Threadless/Skinnycorp is hiring a couple PHP peeps >>> >>> Smarty's template system works great, and it is really easy to plugin >>> and start using. It's template system is a lot more powerful than just >>> directly substituting variables. It's saved me a huge amount of time >>> with a few different websites >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Larry Garfield <la...@ga...> wrote: >>> > *ding!* Round one! >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sunday 16 March 2008, Luca Matteis wrote: >>> > > Smarty sucks! >>> > > >>> > > Luca >>> > > >>> > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 01:36:39PM -0700, Steven wrote: >>> > > > PHP can use namespaces? I didn't know that, though that is quite useful. >>> > > > Smarty also looks like something that would be fun to learn. >>> > > > >>> > > > Unfortunately, I'm clueless as to how i18n goes. >>> > > > >>> > > > ~Amaroq >>> > > > >>> > > > Harper Reed <ha...@sk...> wrote: >>> > > > Hi everyone! >>> > > > >>> > > > I have met many of you before, but i wanted to introduce myself. My >>> > > > name is Harper and I am the CTO of Threadless/skinnyCorp. We are >>> > > > awesome. We need some awesome php devs to help us be awesomer (heh). >>> > > > >>> > > > We are looking for PHP devs who like coding, love namespaces (haha), >>> > > > smarty, i18n and sludging through legacy code refactoring it to >>> > > > awesomness. >>> > > > >>> > > > Email me directly for more info. >>> > > > >>> > > > Thanks, >>> > > > Harper >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > -- >>> > > > Harper Reed >>> > > > ha...@sk... >>> > > > skinnyCorp, LLC >>> > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > -- >>> > > > Harper Reed >>> > > > ha...@sk... >>> > > > skinnyCorp, LLC >>> > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 >>> > > > >>> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>> > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>> > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >>> > > > chi...@li... >>> > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > --------------------------------- >>> > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. >>> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>> > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>> > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >>> > > > chi...@li... >>> > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >>> > > >>> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>> > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>> > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >>> > > chi...@li... >>> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 >>> > la...@ga... ICQ: 6817012 >>> > >>> > "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of >>> > exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, >>> > which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to >>> > himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession >>> > of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas >>> > Jefferson >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > >>> > >>> > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>> > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>> > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >>> > chi...@li... >>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >>> > >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >>> chi...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >>> chi...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> chi...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss |
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From: Luca M. <lma...@gm...> - 2008-03-17 20:38:13
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Is this thread useful at all? My statement was rather vague, I think Smarty has a place somewhere, but I personally dislike templating in general :D And giving the fact that PHP does HTML already, It seems pretty natural to use it. Luca On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 02:53:19PM -0500, Jason Rexilius wrote: > Thanks matt.. Please schedule your email approvals with my secretary. > > Attitude aside, did you actually have anything useful to say? > > |
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From: Richard L. <ce...@l-...> - 2008-03-17 21:32:37
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Smarty is a templating language. A disciplined programmer with PHP would not need Smarty (et al) because they'd just keep their [bleep] organized. However, large-scale projects with junior coders may find that Smarty (et al) helps enforce the separation of business logic and presentation logic. Or not, if the coders are junior enough... :-) Smarty's one uniqe (afaik) feature is that it compiles itself out into PHP code, so removes the possibly slow string substitution of other templating systems. ymmv naiaa ianal On Mon, March 17, 2008 2:53 pm, Jason Rexilius wrote: > Thanks matt.. Please schedule your email approvals with my secretary. > > Attitude aside, did you actually have anything useful to say? > > > > matt donohue wrote: >> I would make a wager the 're-factoring' the original job post >> referred to involving removing any trace of smarty. >> And the 'rants' were some humor which is apparently a foreign >> concept. >> I'll strive to be more rigid and droll with the list moving forward >> and get my thoughts pre-approved by the resident 'technical forum' >> experts (yourself and neil). >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Jason Rexilius <ja...@ho...> >> To: Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the Chicago >> PHP User's Group. <chi...@li...> >> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 12:44:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Threadless/Skinnycorp is hiring a >> couple PHP peeps >> >> Using web2.0 in any form other than a joke is bad. >> >> And last I checked this was a technical forum. Adding some specific >> reasons why Smarty sucks might have value. Vague rants about >> something >> just sucking with nothing to back it up doesn't add value. >> >> Having never used smarty I think it would be interesting to hear >> about >> some of its shortcomings or benefits. >> >> And let me close by saying that web2.0 sucks.. >> >> ;-) >> >> >> >> Ryan Guthrie wrote: >>> That statement is so vague and biased that I had to debate for some >>> time whether it is worth responding to. This is my last reply on >>> the >>> subject since I don't want to argue about Smarty here, but if you >>> have >>> any actual facts as to why using Smarty is bad, and even better, >>> know >>> of a template system that fits your 'web 2.0' notions, I would like >>> to >>> hear it. Calling it 'cancer' and not 'web 2.0' isn't informative at >>> all, especially since web 2.0 means about a million different >>> things >>> to different people - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2 . Not one >>> single mention of meanings on there has anything to do with using >>> Smarty. >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 7:59 AM, matt donohue >>> <mm_...@ya...> wrote: >>>> Smarty is 'the cancer'. >>>> If you have to ask why, you probably don't need it in the first >>>> place and/or are coding with old standards. WEB 2.0 smarty is >>>> not! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> From: Ryan Guthrie <sok...@gm...> >>>> To: Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the >>>> Chicago PHP User's Group. >>>> <chi...@li...> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:39:10 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Threadless/Skinnycorp is hiring a >>>> couple PHP peeps >>>> >>>> Smarty's template system works great, and it is really easy to >>>> plugin >>>> and start using. It's template system is a lot more powerful than >>>> just >>>> directly substituting variables. It's saved me a huge amount of >>>> time >>>> with a few different websites >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Larry Garfield >>>> <la...@ga...> wrote: >>>> > *ding!* Round one! >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Sunday 16 March 2008, Luca Matteis wrote: >>>> > > Smarty sucks! >>>> > > >>>> > > Luca >>>> > > >>>> > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 01:36:39PM -0700, Steven wrote: >>>> > > > PHP can use namespaces? I didn't know that, though that is >>>> quite useful. >>>> > > > Smarty also looks like something that would be fun to >>>> learn. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Unfortunately, I'm clueless as to how i18n goes. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > ~Amaroq >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Harper Reed <ha...@sk...> wrote: >>>> > > > Hi everyone! >>>> > > > >>>> > > > I have met many of you before, but i wanted to introduce >>>> myself. My >>>> > > > name is Harper and I am the CTO of Threadless/skinnyCorp. >>>> We are >>>> > > > awesome. We need some awesome php devs to help us be >>>> awesomer (heh). >>>> > > > >>>> > > > We are looking for PHP devs who like coding, love >>>> namespaces (haha), >>>> > > > smarty, i18n and sludging through legacy code refactoring >>>> it to >>>> > > > awesomness. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Email me directly for more info. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Thanks, >>>> > > > Harper >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > -- >>>> > > > Harper Reed >>>> > > > ha...@sk... >>>> > > > skinnyCorp, LLC >>>> > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > -- >>>> > > > Harper Reed >>>> > > > ha...@sk... >>>> > > > skinnyCorp, LLC >>>> > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 >>>> > > > >>>> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>>> > > > Defy all challenges. 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From: Ryan G. <sok...@gm...> - 2008-03-17 15:54:35
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That statement is so vague and biased that I had to debate for some time whether it is worth responding to. This is my last reply on the subject since I don't want to argue about Smarty here, but if you have any actual facts as to why using Smarty is bad, and even better, know of a template system that fits your 'web 2.0' notions, I would like to hear it. Calling it 'cancer' and not 'web 2.0' isn't informative at all, especially since web 2.0 means about a million different things to different people - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2 . Not one single mention of meanings on there has anything to do with using Smarty. On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 7:59 AM, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote: > Smarty is 'the cancer'. > If you have to ask why, you probably don't need it in the first place and/or are coding with old standards. WEB 2.0 smarty is not! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Ryan Guthrie <sok...@gm...> > To: Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the Chicago PHP User's Group. <chi...@li...> > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:39:10 AM > Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Threadless/Skinnycorp is hiring a couple PHP peeps > > Smarty's template system works great, and it is really easy to plugin > and start using. It's template system is a lot more powerful than just > directly substituting variables. It's saved me a huge amount of time > with a few different websites > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Larry Garfield <la...@ga...> wrote: > > *ding!* Round one! > > > > > > > > On Sunday 16 March 2008, Luca Matteis wrote: > > > Smarty sucks! > > > > > > Luca > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 01:36:39PM -0700, Steven wrote: > > > > PHP can use namespaces? I didn't know that, though that is quite useful. > > > > Smarty also looks like something that would be fun to learn. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I'm clueless as to how i18n goes. > > > > > > > > ~Amaroq > > > > > > > > Harper Reed <ha...@sk...> wrote: > > > > Hi everyone! > > > > > > > > I have met many of you before, but i wanted to introduce myself. My > > > > name is Harper and I am the CTO of Threadless/skinnyCorp. We are > > > > awesome. We need some awesome php devs to help us be awesomer (heh). > > > > > > > > We are looking for PHP devs who like coding, love namespaces (haha), > > > > smarty, i18n and sludging through legacy code refactoring it to > > > > awesomness. > > > > > > > > Email me directly for more info. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Harper > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Harper Reed > > > > ha...@sk... > > > > skinnyCorp, LLC > > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Harper Reed > > > > ha...@sk... > > > > skinnyCorp, LLC > > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > > > > chi...@li... > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > > > > chi...@li... > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > > > chi...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > > > > > > > -- > > Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 > > la...@ga... ICQ: 6817012 > > > > "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of > > exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, > > which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to > > himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession > > of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas > > Jefferson > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > > chi...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > |
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From: Jason R. <ja...@ho...> - 2008-03-17 17:45:05
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Using web2.0 in any form other than a joke is bad. And last I checked this was a technical forum. Adding some specific reasons why Smarty sucks might have value. Vague rants about something just sucking with nothing to back it up doesn't add value. Having never used smarty I think it would be interesting to hear about some of its shortcomings or benefits. And let me close by saying that web2.0 sucks.. ;-) Ryan Guthrie wrote: > That statement is so vague and biased that I had to debate for some > time whether it is worth responding to. This is my last reply on the > subject since I don't want to argue about Smarty here, but if you have > any actual facts as to why using Smarty is bad, and even better, know > of a template system that fits your 'web 2.0' notions, I would like to > hear it. Calling it 'cancer' and not 'web 2.0' isn't informative at > all, especially since web 2.0 means about a million different things > to different people - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2 . Not one > single mention of meanings on there has anything to do with using > Smarty. > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 7:59 AM, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote: >> Smarty is 'the cancer'. >> If you have to ask why, you probably don't need it in the first place and/or are coding with old standards. WEB 2.0 smarty is not! >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Ryan Guthrie <sok...@gm...> >> To: Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the Chicago PHP User's Group. <chi...@li...> >> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:39:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Threadless/Skinnycorp is hiring a couple PHP peeps >> >> Smarty's template system works great, and it is really easy to plugin >> and start using. It's template system is a lot more powerful than just >> directly substituting variables. It's saved me a huge amount of time >> with a few different websites >> >> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Larry Garfield <la...@ga...> wrote: >> > *ding!* Round one! >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sunday 16 March 2008, Luca Matteis wrote: >> > > Smarty sucks! >> > > >> > > Luca >> > > >> > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 01:36:39PM -0700, Steven wrote: >> > > > PHP can use namespaces? I didn't know that, though that is quite useful. >> > > > Smarty also looks like something that would be fun to learn. >> > > > >> > > > Unfortunately, I'm clueless as to how i18n goes. >> > > > >> > > > ~Amaroq >> > > > >> > > > Harper Reed <ha...@sk...> wrote: >> > > > Hi everyone! >> > > > >> > > > I have met many of you before, but i wanted to introduce myself. My >> > > > name is Harper and I am the CTO of Threadless/skinnyCorp. We are >> > > > awesome. We need some awesome php devs to help us be awesomer (heh). >> > > > >> > > > We are looking for PHP devs who like coding, love namespaces (haha), >> > > > smarty, i18n and sludging through legacy code refactoring it to >> > > > awesomness. >> > > > >> > > > Email me directly for more info. >> > > > >> > > > Thanks, >> > > > Harper >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Harper Reed >> > > > ha...@sk... >> > > > skinnyCorp, LLC >> > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Harper Reed >> > > > ha...@sk... >> > > > skinnyCorp, LLC >> > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 >> > > > >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> > > > chi...@li... >> > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > --------------------------------- >> > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> > > > chi...@li... >> > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> > > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> > > chi...@li... >> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 >> > la...@ga... ICQ: 6817012 >> > >> > "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of >> > exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, >> > which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to >> > himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession >> > of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas >> > Jefferson >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > >> > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> > chi...@li... >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> chi...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> chi...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss |
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From: Neil R. <Nei...@rc...> - 2008-03-17 20:13:19
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No, for "Web 2.0" to suck, it would have to be far more concrete and explicitly defined than it, in fact, is. Web 2.0 is *bogus*. At 11:44 AM 3/17/2008, Jason Rexilius <ja...@ho...> wrote: >And let me close by saying that web2.0 sucks.. Neil -- Nei...@rc... The normal does not exist. The average does not exist. We know only a very large but probably finite phalanx of discrete space-time events encountered and endured. The Board of the College of Patapsychology offers one million Irish pounds to any "normalist" who can exhibit "a normal sunset, an average Beethoven sonata, an ordinary Playmate of the Month, or any thing or event in space-time that qualifies as normal, average or ordinary." -- Committee for Surrealist Investigation of Claims of the Normal |
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From: Jonathan A. W. <jaw...@gm...> - 2008-03-17 18:58:09
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I'd also like to hear factual data about Smarty. I live in Java (and a little python or ruby) and templating is incredibly valuable. In my (crappy) php I wrote it didn't have templates but after looking at Smarty, I really think it would have benefited from Smarty. Is it a bad templating solution? Is templating in and of itself disliked? -jaw On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Jason Rexilius <ja...@ho...> wrote: > Using web2.0 in any form other than a joke is bad. > > And last I checked this was a technical forum. Adding some specific > reasons why Smarty sucks might have value. Vague rants about something > just sucking with nothing to back it up doesn't add value. > > Having never used smarty I think it would be interesting to hear about > some of its shortcomings or benefits. > > And let me close by saying that web2.0 sucks.. > > ;-) > > > > Ryan Guthrie wrote: > > That statement is so vague and biased that I had to debate for some > > time whether it is worth responding to. This is my last reply on the > > subject since I don't want to argue about Smarty here, but if you have > > any actual facts as to why using Smarty is bad, and even better, know > > of a template system that fits your 'web 2.0' notions, I would like to > > hear it. Calling it 'cancer' and not 'web 2.0' isn't informative at > > all, especially since web 2.0 means about a million different things > > to different people - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2 . Not one > > single mention of meanings on there has anything to do with using > > Smarty. > > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 7:59 AM, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> > wrote: > >> Smarty is 'the cancer'. > >> If you have to ask why, you probably don't need it in the first place > and/or are coding with old standards. WEB 2.0 smarty is not! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ---- > >> From: Ryan Guthrie <sok...@gm...> > >> To: Discussions of PHP-related topics among members of the Chicago PHP > User's Group. <chi...@li...> > >> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:39:10 AM > >> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] Threadless/Skinnycorp is hiring a > couple PHP peeps > >> > >> Smarty's template system works great, and it is really easy to plugin > >> and start using. It's template system is a lot more powerful than just > >> directly substituting variables. It's saved me a huge amount of time > >> with a few different websites > >> > >> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Larry Garfield < > la...@ga...> wrote: > >> > *ding!* Round one! > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sunday 16 March 2008, Luca Matteis wrote: > >> > > Smarty sucks! > >> > > > >> > > Luca > >> > > > >> > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 01:36:39PM -0700, Steven wrote: > >> > > > PHP can use namespaces? I didn't know that, though that is > quite useful. > >> > > > Smarty also looks like something that would be fun to learn. > >> > > > > >> > > > Unfortunately, I'm clueless as to how i18n goes. > >> > > > > >> > > > ~Amaroq > >> > > > > >> > > > Harper Reed <ha...@sk...> wrote: > >> > > > Hi everyone! > >> > > > > >> > > > I have met many of you before, but i wanted to introduce > myself. My > >> > > > name is Harper and I am the CTO of Threadless/skinnyCorp. We > are > >> > > > awesome. We need some awesome php devs to help us be awesomer > (heh). > >> > > > > >> > > > We are looking for PHP devs who like coding, love namespaces > (haha), > >> > > > smarty, i18n and sludging through legacy code refactoring it to > >> > > > awesomness. > >> > > > > >> > > > Email me directly for more info. > >> > > > > >> > > > Thanks, > >> > > > Harper > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > -- > >> > > > Harper Reed > >> > > > ha...@sk... > >> > > > skinnyCorp, LLC > >> > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > -- > >> > > > Harper Reed > >> > > > ha...@sk... > >> > > > skinnyCorp, LLC > >> > > > 773.878.3557 ext. 187 > >> > > > > >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > >> > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > >> > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > >> > > > chi...@li... > >> > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > --------------------------------- > >> > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > >> > > > Defy all challenges. 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From: Peter H. <ph...@ma...> - 2008-03-17 19:35:21
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On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 11:57:59AM -0700, Jonathan Andrew Wolter wrote: > I'd also like to hear factual data about Smarty. I live in Java (and a > little python or ruby) and templating is incredibly valuable. I dislike Smarty because it's a templating language written in a templating language. Smarty has some handy functionality, but the fact that it exists bugs me. -- Peter Harkins - http://push.cx - http://NearbyGamers.com |
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