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From: matt d. <mm_...@ya...> - 2007-10-26 03:06:26
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Young? No. I said I've been on the almost list since it started.=0A=0A=0A= =0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Jason Rexilius <ja...@ho...= >=0ATo: chi...@li...=0ASent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:= 27:21 PM=0ASubject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED=0A=0A=0AMatt,= =0A=0A Forgive me, but you must be fairly young. ;-)=0A=0A User groups = never have a "purpose" or "vision" or any such thing.. =0AIt's like a stree= t market.. lotsa "other peoples treasure" and the odd =0Athing that you fin= d valuable.=0A=0A That being said, the value I find in it is keeping a lo= ose finger on =0Athe pulse of local mindsets in relation to PHP. That help= s about as =0Amuch as watching CNN helps the average person, but I still fi= nd it useful.=0A=0A The other purpose it serves is a place for young peop= le with energy =0Ato use it as a springboard to do interesting things with = their time, =0Apassion and energy. It does sound like you are volunteering= ;-)=0A=0A It is a pool of people, although not like-minded, with at leas= t one =0Aor more common interest that you can draw from, serve or dismiss a= s your =0Aenthusiasm dictates.=0A=0A I organize a yearly tech event and t= ry and keep in touch with the =0Auser groups and support other people doing= interesting things. Do =0Asomething interesting and I'll support it.=0A= =0A As to discussion, it is a community with _widely_ varying levels of = =0Aexpertise so its hard to have a standard. I personally would like to = =0Ahave more involved discussions about some advanced topics but its =0Adif= ficult on a list. Meetings are better places for the discussion I =0Aenjoy= , usually.=0A=0A Cheers and have fun.. Maybe build a new website to help = with some =0Ashortcomings you see.=0A=0A-jason=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Amatt donohue w= rote:=0A> Preface- I know I must be wrong at least 51% of the time otherwis= e, I would be way ahead at poker.=0A> =0A> In case anyone was put off by th= e snark (Arlo already vented), I profer this rant,=0A> =0A> I sometimes fi= nd myself frustrated by the purpose of the list (and it's lack of humor). T= here is hardly any dialog on the list beyond what framework is best to use = and the rare question. Is it a list of vetted professionals or a loose coll= ection of hacks? I know some people are on the list because they enjoy the = meetings and socializing with other like minded people but, I've never been= that interested in any meeting topics and I prefer to learn things on my o= wn (my being anti-social plays no part). That said- I'm sure I pissed off t= he other half of the list but, I don't really care. Start a new dialog- wha= t is the value of the list? Because if it doesn't change and grow it become= s irrelevant, and If the list is supposed to be some adjunct to Craigslist'= s Computer Gigs you can color me gone. I do enjoy helping other PHP users a= nd believe I have good track record regarding, I just think the list should= have a higher standard, more diverse purpose and some=0A> benefits for the members.=0A> =0A> Things that bug:=0A> * The l= ist has never had a good website since maybe the first year or two when the= re where actual profiles on it. What are peoples skill-sets? Where do they = work? Outside interests? How many members are there? I'm sure I could get a= ll that at a meeting but, like I said, I haven't been to a meeting ever in = 8 plus years, and if we do want to represent a 'guild' as it where, we shou= ld make some member data available to the public. =0A> * If the list was or= ganized (i.e. a real website) and did represent a list of vetted profession= als it would serve as a go-to resource for advertising agencies and other f= reelance opportunities. The fact that there is no organization (and hence n= o respect I'm guessing), has these potential revenue resources using other = venues like craigslist and recruiters (uhhg). The list 'could' represent a = job bench, if the effort was made and some minor marketing where applied. I= mean- look at other professions, they have societies that promote the memb= ers. CHIPHPUG doesn't even know who it's members are? =0A> * Jobs posted to= the list should meet a standard or be called out- otherwise the list becom= es as relevant as the most base job posted. Does the 'list' work for $15 an= hour and hack designers? I hope not. It's not about being elitist- It's st= anding up for your vocation and not allowing other people to trivialize you= r skills and what you represent. Other lists are much more mercenary. I hav= e no idea why this one is so inclusive.=0A> It reminds me of when my colleg= e would post $10 p/hr jobs on the job board (I paid you $20K a year and you= post that?). That debases everything you represent.=0A> * A Chicago PHP us= ing company survey would be helpful, considering everyone on the list has e= ither applied or worked at probably every PHP advocating company there is. = Helpful info might include:=0A> hiring status, salary, reporting supervisor= , environment, opinion etc.. I could fill a small book with my knowledge. I= mean, think about the time that would save people. =0A> * There isn't a PH= P job out there that doesn't require knowledge of PHP and AJAX. So, since e= veryone=0A> on the list is, for the most part, beyond proficient at PHP, ex= tending the list to AJAX/Javascript concerns might invigorate it. I know, I= personally have way more to offer regarding JS than PHP and all of it is p= ractical or relevant to the group. I doubt the list is composed of PHP 'bac= kenders' and I've never had a job myself that didn't involve both UI and an= d backend development.=0A> * Lastly- I know I already stated my reticence t= o meetings but, a CHIPHPUG poker showdown I could get behind. $100 a pop- w= inner gets bragging rights for a year. I'll host West loop.=0A> =0A> Hope = this stirs the nest... I really would like the list to have more purpose ca= use I know Java and C# and still prefer the crack of PHP. Just wish it was = represented better.=0A> =0A> Oh- and go Chicago Fire!!!=0A> =0A> Rant over= ,=0A> Matt=0A> ------------------------------------------------------------= -------------=0A> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc.=0A> Still = grepping through log files to find problems? Stop.=0A> Now Search log even= ts and configuration files using AJAX and a browser.=0A> Download your FREE= copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/=0A> _________________________= ______________________=0A> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list=0A> chiPHPug-discu= ss...@li...=0A> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/c= hiphpug-discuss=0A=0A------------------------------------------------------= -------------------=0AThis SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc.=0AStil= l grepping through log files to find problems? 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From: matt d. <mm_...@ya...> - 2007-10-26 04:33:19
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Some thoughts-=0APicture this press release:=0A"Chicago PHP Society builds =
web site for No Kill Animal Shelter".=0AOr- you can be a list that answers =
3 newbie questions a year and 1 really bad quote request.=0ALike I said- re=
-invent yourselves and have a purpose or die. There is no PHP pulse anyone =
on this list needs to be abreast of. I don't need any advice or job off thi=
s list so what am I doing? No offense but, the last newbie we had was and i=
s a jag.=0A=0AAs for volunteering- Yes, I'll build and host a site. Any mem=
bers would need to commit to a volunteer schedule for Chicago non-profits. =
Not sure you would want me in that position as I'm extremely liberal and qu=
ite dogmatic. =0A=0AMatt=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Ana=
creo <an...@gm...>=0ATo: chi...@li...=0ASent: Thursd=
ay, October 25, 2007 10:42:06 PM=0ASubject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG=
REDACTED=0A=0A=0AHmm I guess I'm more the care bare spirit. While I do no=
d and agree with=0Amuch of what you say Matt. I do think slamming someone =
looking for help as=0Aa bit harsh. For me I'm not much of a meeting type e=
ither, I'm more of the=0Ago it alone and toss an idea out when I'm frustrat=
ed by a problem. I do=0Aenjoy problem solving which is why I join lists li=
ke this in the first=0Aplace. If someone has a problem I enjoy the challen=
ge of trying to figure=0Ait out, that's all I am looking for in this user g=
roup, so to each their=0Aown. I agree about the website though as a commun=
ity user group who am I to=0Acomplain about it if I'm not going to fix it. =
If you want a new site /=0Amajordomo try building it and propose it and se=
e if it gets ratified.=0A=0AAlec=0A=0AOn 10/25/07, matt donohue <mm_donohue=
@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A>=0A> Young? No. I said I've been on the almost list s=
ince it started.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> ----- Original Message ----=0A> From: Jaso=
n Rexilius <ja...@ho...>=0A> To: chi...@li...=0A>=
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:27:21 PM=0A> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-dis=
cuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED=0A>=0A>=0A> Matt,=0A>=0A> Forgive me, but you mu=
st be fairly young. ;-)=0A>=0A> User groups never have a "purpose" or "v=
ision" or any such thing..=0A> It's like a street market.. lotsa "other peo=
ples treasure" and the odd=0A> thing that you find valuable.=0A>=0A> Tha=
t being said, the value I find in it is keeping a loose finger on=0A> the p=
ulse of local mindsets in relation to PHP. That helps about as=0A> much as=
watching CNN helps the average person, but I still find it useful.=0A>=0A>=
The other purpose it serves is a place for young people with energy=0A>=
to use it as a springboard to do interesting things with their time,=0A> p=
assion and energy. It does sound like you are volunteering ;-)=0A>=0A> =
It is a pool of people, although not like-minded, with at least one=0A> or =
more common interest that you can draw from, serve or dismiss as your=0A> e=
nthusiasm dictates.=0A>=0A> I organize a yearly tech event and try and k=
eep in touch with the=0A> user groups and support other people doing intere=
sting things. Do=0A> something interesting and I'll support it.=0A>=0A> =
As to discussion, it is a community with _widely_ varying levels of=0A> ex=
pertise so its hard to have a standard. I personally would like to=0A> hav=
e more involved discussions about some advanced topics but its=0A> difficul=
t on a list. Meetings are better places for the discussion I=0A> enjoy, us=
ually.=0A>=0A> Cheers and have fun.. Maybe build a new website to help w=
ith some=0A> shortcomings you see.=0A>=0A> -jason=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> matt =
donohue wrote:=0A> > Preface- I know I must be wrong at least 51% of the ti=
me otherwise, I=0A> would be way ahead at poker.=0A> >=0A> > In case anyone=
was put off by the snark (Arlo already vented), I profer=0A> this rant,=0A=
> >=0A> > I sometimes find myself frustrated by the purpose of the list (an=
d it's=0A> lack of humor). There is hardly any dialog on the list beyond wh=
at framework=0A> is best to use and the rare question. Is it a list of vett=
ed professionals=0A> or a loose collection of hacks? I know some people are=
on the list because=0A> they enjoy the meetings and socializing with other=
like minded people but,=0A> I've never been that interested in any meeting=
topics and I prefer to learn=0A> things on my own (my being anti-social pl=
ays no part). That said- I'm sure I=0A> pissed off the other half of the li=
st but, I don't really care. Start a new=0A> dialog- what is the value of t=
he list? Because if it doesn't change and grow=0A> it becomes irrelevant, a=
nd If the list is supposed to be some adjunct to=0A> Craigslist's Computer =
Gigs you can color me gone. I do enjoy helping other=0A> PHP users and beli=
eve I have good track record regarding, I just think the=0A> list should ha=
ve a higher standard, more diverse purpose and=0A> some=0A> > benefits for=
the members.=0A> >=0A> > Things that bug:=0A> > * The list has never had a=
good website since maybe the first year or=0A> two when there where actual=
profiles on it. What are peoples skill-sets?=0A> Where do they work? Outsi=
de interests? How many members are there? I'm sure=0A> I could get all that=
at a meeting but, like I said, I haven't been to a=0A> meeting ever in 8 p=
lus years, and if we do want to represent a 'guild' as it=0A> where, we sho=
uld make some member data available to the public.=0A> > * If the list was =
organized (i.e. a real website) and did represent a=0A> list of vetted prof=
essionals it would serve as a go-to resource for=0A> advertising agencies a=
nd other freelance opportunities. The fact that there=0A> is no organizatio=
n (and hence no respect I'm guessing), has these potential=0A> revenue reso=
urces using other venues like craigslist and recruiters (uhhg).=0A> The lis=
t 'could' represent a job bench, if the effort was made and some=0A> minor =
marketing where applied. I mean- look at other professions, they have=0A> s=
ocieties that promote the members. CHIPHPUG doesn't even know who it's=0A> =
members are?=0A> > * Jobs posted to the list should meet a standard or be c=
alled out-=0A> otherwise the list becomes as relevant as the most base job =
posted. Does the=0A> 'list' work for $15 an hour and hack designers? I hope=
not. It's not about=0A> being elitist- It's standing up for your vocation =
and not allowing other=0A> people to trivialize your skills and what you re=
present. Other lists are=0A> much more mercenary. I have no idea why this o=
ne is so inclusive.=0A> > It reminds me of when my college would post $10 p=
/hr jobs on the job=0A> board (I paid you $20K a year and you post that?). =
That debases everything=0A> you represent.=0A> > * A Chicago PHP using comp=
any survey would be helpful, considering=0A> everyone on the list has eithe=
r applied or worked at probably every PHP=0A> advocating company there is. =
Helpful info might include:=0A> > hiring status, salary, reporting supervis=
or, environment, opinion etc..=0A> I could fill a small book with my knowle=
dge. I mean, think about the time=0A> that would save people.=0A> > * There=
isn't a PHP job out there that doesn't require knowledge of PHP=0A> and AJ=
AX. So, since everyone=0A> > on the list is, for the most part, beyond prof=
icient at PHP, extending=0A> the list to AJAX/Javascript concerns might inv=
igorate it. I know, I=0A> personally have way more to offer regarding JS th=
an PHP and all of it is=0A> practical or relevant to the group. I doubt the=
list is composed of PHP=0A> 'backenders' and I've never had a job myself t=
hat didn't involve both UI and=0A> and backend development.=0A> > * Lastly-=
I know I already stated my reticence to meetings but, a=0A> CHIPHPUG poker=
showdown I could get behind. $100 a pop- winner gets bragging=0A> rights f=
or a year. I'll host West loop.=0A> >=0A> > Hope this stirs the nest... I r=
eally would like the list to have more=0A> purpose cause I know Java and C#=
and still prefer the crack of PHP. Just=0A> wish it was represented better=
.=0A> >=0A> > Oh- and go Chicago Fire!!!=0A> >=0A> > Rant over,=0A> > Matt=
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From: Hank M. <hma...@gm...> - 2007-10-26 14:51:11
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I hate how this thing doesn't reply to list by default ;) And no I'm not trying to goad Rich though that can be fun too ... Anyway I only sent this to Matt originally. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Hank Marquardt <hma...@gm...> Date: Oct 26, 2007 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED To: matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> I feel your pain, though I have a couple thoughts as well. I was around at the beginning and then largely disappeared before rejoining the lurker crowd a year ago or so. I think the internet has all but killed user groups of all sorts, there simply is better/bigger/more varied information out and available through google usually than you'll find from a loose knit association of folks bound by geography. When this group started, php was in the early 3.x tree and was relatively speaking not widely adopted or understood, but here were a few of us that had experience with it and many more that were curious so we started meeting mostly to help new folks and answer questions. Today putting 'php development' in google or perusing a shelf at Border's will leave you with decisions about what is good information and what is better information ... not simply trying to find information. So yes, we have just sort of drifted along without a lot of purpose, traffic, etc. At the end of the day though we still are a loose knit group of folks bound by geography and a common interest, so with little infrastructure to support we continue to exist, though perhaps not thrive. It is what it is. As to your suggestions, I certainly don't want to be a wet blanket, though in starting a new site or purpose you're always faced with 'what can I do different or better?' and against the traction other sites already have; facebook, ning, twitter, myspace, second life, insert your favorite here ... I'm not sure how to answer that question; though if you have an answer, go for it. The "Chicago PHP Society builds web site for No Kill Animal Shelter" is an interesting idea ... a Chicago PHP Not for Profit Assistance Center could be an interesting 'project' or entity of itself, though smaller freelance folks would likely see that as competition to their market and not participate, but still an interesting concept. Probably not much heat or light shed above, but having been around since the beginning I at least have perspective for what that's worth. On 10/25/07, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote: > > Some thoughts- > Picture this press release: > "Chicago PHP Society builds web site for No Kill Animal Shelter". > Or- you can be a list that answers 3 newbie questions a year and 1 really > bad quote request. > Like I said- re-invent yourselves and have a purpose or die. There is no > PHP pulse anyone on this list needs to be abreast of. I don't need any > advice or job off this list so what am I doing? No offense but, the last > newbie we had was and is a jag. > > As for volunteering- Yes, I'll build and host a site. Any members would > need to commit to a volunteer schedule for Chicago non-profits. Not sure you > would want me in that position as I'm extremely liberal and quite dogmatic. > > Matt > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Anacreo <an...@gm...> > To: chi...@li... > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:42:06 PM > Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED > > > Hmm I guess I'm more the care bare spirit. While I do nod and agree with > much of what you say Matt. I do think slamming someone looking for help > as > a bit harsh. For me I'm not much of a meeting type either, I'm more of > the > go it alone and toss an idea out when I'm frustrated by a problem. I do > enjoy problem solving which is why I join lists like this in the first > place. If someone has a problem I enjoy the challenge of trying to figure > it out, that's all I am looking for in this user group, so to each their > own. I agree about the website though as a community user group who am I > to > complain about it if I'm not going to fix it. If you want a new site / > majordomo try building it and propose it and see if it gets ratified. > > Alec > > On 10/25/07, matt donohue < mm_...@ya...> wrote: > > > > Young? No. I said I've been on the almost list since it started. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Jason Rexilius < ja...@ho...> > > To: chi...@li... > > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:27:21 PM > > Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED > > > > > > Matt, > > > > Forgive me, but you must be fairly young. ;-) > > > > User groups never have a "purpose" or "vision" or any such thing.. > > It's like a street market.. lotsa "other peoples treasure" and the odd > > thing that you find valuable. > > > > That being said, the value I find in it is keeping a loose finger on > > the pulse of local mindsets in relation to PHP. That helps about as > > much as watching CNN helps the average person, but I still find it > useful. > > > > The other purpose it serves is a place for young people with energy > > to use it as a springboard to do interesting things with their time, > > passion and energy. It does sound like you are volunteering ;-) > > > > It is a pool of people, although not like-minded, with at least one > > or more common interest that you can draw from, serve or dismiss as your > > enthusiasm dictates. > > > > I organize a yearly tech event and try and keep in touch with the > > user groups and support other people doing interesting things. Do > > something interesting and I'll support it. > > > > As to discussion, it is a community with _widely_ varying levels of > > expertise so its hard to have a standard. I personally would like to > > have more involved discussions about some advanced topics but its > > difficult on a list. Meetings are better places for the discussion I > > enjoy, usually. > > > > Cheers and have fun.. Maybe build a new website to help with some > > shortcomings you see. > > > > -jason > > > > > > > > > > matt donohue wrote: > > > Preface- I know I must be wrong at least 51% of the time otherwise, I > > would be way ahead at poker. > > > > > > In case anyone was put off by the snark (Arlo already vented), I > profer > > this rant, > > > > > > I sometimes find myself frustrated by the purpose of the list (and > it's > > lack of humor). There is hardly any dialog on the list beyond what > framework > > is best to use and the rare question. Is it a list of vetted > professionals > > or a loose collection of hacks? I know some people are on the list > because > > they enjoy the meetings and socializing with other like minded people > but, > > I've never been that interested in any meeting topics and I prefer to > learn > > things on my own (my being anti-social plays no part). That said- I'm > sure I > > pissed off the other half of the list but, I don't really care. Start a > new > > dialog- what is the value of the list? Because if it doesn't change and > grow > > it becomes irrelevant, and If the list is supposed to be some adjunct to > > Craigslist's Computer Gigs you can color me gone. I do enjoy helping > other > > PHP users and believe I have good track record regarding, I just think > the > > list should have a higher standard, more diverse purpose and > > some > > > benefits for the members. > > > > > > Things that bug: > > > * The list has never had a good website since maybe the first year or > > two when there where actual profiles on it. What are peoples skill-sets? > > Where do they work? Outside interests? How many members are there? I'm > sure > > I could get all that at a meeting but, like I said, I haven't been to a > > meeting ever in 8 plus years, and if we do want to represent a 'guild' > as it > > where, we should make some member data available to the public. > > > * If the list was organized (i.e. a real website) and did represent a > > list of vetted professionals it would serve as a go-to resource for > > advertising agencies and other freelance opportunities. The fact that > there > > is no organization (and hence no respect I'm guessing), has these > potential > > revenue resources using other venues like craigslist and recruiters > (uhhg). > > The list 'could' represent a job bench, if the effort was made and some > > minor marketing where applied. I mean- look at other professions, they > have > > societies that promote the members. CHIPHPUG doesn't even know who it's > > members are? > > > * Jobs posted to the list should meet a standard or be called out- > > otherwise the list becomes as relevant as the most base job posted. Does > the > > 'list' work for $15 an hour and hack designers? I hope not. It's not > about > > being elitist- It's standing up for your vocation and not allowing other > > people to trivialize your skills and what you represent. Other lists are > > > much more mercenary. I have no idea why this one is so inclusive. > > > It reminds me of when my college would post $10 p/hr jobs on the job > > board (I paid you $20K a year and you post that?). That debases > everything > > you represent. > > > * A Chicago PHP using company survey would be helpful, considering > > everyone on the list has either applied or worked at probably every PHP > > advocating company there is. Helpful info might include: > > > hiring status, salary, reporting supervisor, environment, opinion > etc.. > > I could fill a small book with my knowledge. I mean, think about the > time > > that would save people. > > > * There isn't a PHP job out there that doesn't require knowledge of > PHP > > and AJAX. So, since everyone > > > on the list is, for the most part, beyond proficient at PHP, extending > > the list to AJAX/Javascript concerns might invigorate it. I know, I > > personally have way more to offer regarding JS than PHP and all of it is > > > practical or relevant to the group. I doubt the list is composed of PHP > > 'backenders' and I've never had a job myself that didn't involve both UI > and > > and backend development. > > > * Lastly- I know I already stated my reticence to meetings but, a > > CHIPHPUG poker showdown I could get behind. $100 a pop- winner gets > bragging > > rights for a year. I'll host West loop. > > > > > > Hope this stirs the nest... I really would like the list to have more > > purpose cause I know Java and C# and still prefer the crack of PHP. Just > > wish it was represented better. > > > > > > Oh- and go Chicago Fire!!! > > > > > > Rant over, > > > Matt > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > > > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > > > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a > browser. > > > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > > > chi...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > > Still grepping through log files to find problems? 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From: Richard L. <ce...@l-...> - 2007-11-01 16:55:05
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Let me nip something in the bud before this gets out of hand... The hosting is paid for already, by me, and it's on the php.net domain, as well as the sourceforge servers, and that is not changing. I already volunteer enough thank you very much, and don't need your "requirement" to do so. If you don't like the jobs being posted, just hit delete. If you want better discussion, start one. Failing that, if you dislike the list that much, just leave, and start your own list. [shrug] On Thu, October 25, 2007 11:33 pm, matt donohue wrote: > Some thoughts- > Picture this press release: > "Chicago PHP Society builds web site for No Kill Animal Shelter". > Or- you can be a list that answers 3 newbie questions a year and 1 > really bad quote request. > Like I said- re-invent yourselves and have a purpose or die. There is > no PHP pulse anyone on this list needs to be abreast of. I don't need > any advice or job off this list so what am I doing? No offense but, > the last newbie we had was and is a jag. > > As for volunteering- Yes, I'll build and host a site. Any members > would need to commit to a volunteer schedule for Chicago non-profits. > Not sure you would want me in that position as I'm extremely liberal > and quite dogmatic. > > Matt > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Anacreo <an...@gm...> > To: chi...@li... > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:42:06 PM > Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED > > > Hmm I guess I'm more the care bare spirit. While I do nod and agree > with > much of what you say Matt. I do think slamming someone looking for > help as > a bit harsh. For me I'm not much of a meeting type either, I'm more > of the > go it alone and toss an idea out when I'm frustrated by a problem. I > do > enjoy problem solving which is why I join lists like this in the first > place. If someone has a problem I enjoy the challenge of trying to > figure > it out, that's all I am looking for in this user group, so to each > their > own. I agree about the website though as a community user group who > am I to > complain about it if I'm not going to fix it. If you want a new site > / > majordomo try building it and propose it and see if it gets ratified. > > Alec > > On 10/25/07, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote: >> >> Young? No. I said I've been on the almost list since it started. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Jason Rexilius <ja...@ho...> >> To: chi...@li... >> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:27:21 PM >> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED >> >> >> Matt, >> >> Forgive me, but you must be fairly young. ;-) >> >> User groups never have a "purpose" or "vision" or any such >> thing.. >> It's like a street market.. lotsa "other peoples treasure" and the >> odd >> thing that you find valuable. >> >> That being said, the value I find in it is keeping a loose finger >> on >> the pulse of local mindsets in relation to PHP. That helps about as >> much as watching CNN helps the average person, but I still find it >> useful. >> >> The other purpose it serves is a place for young people with >> energy >> to use it as a springboard to do interesting things with their time, >> passion and energy. It does sound like you are volunteering ;-) >> >> It is a pool of people, although not like-minded, with at least >> one >> or more common interest that you can draw from, serve or dismiss as >> your >> enthusiasm dictates. >> >> I organize a yearly tech event and try and keep in touch with the >> user groups and support other people doing interesting things. Do >> something interesting and I'll support it. >> >> As to discussion, it is a community with _widely_ varying levels >> of >> expertise so its hard to have a standard. I personally would like >> to >> have more involved discussions about some advanced topics but its >> difficult on a list. Meetings are better places for the discussion >> I >> enjoy, usually. >> >> Cheers and have fun.. Maybe build a new website to help with some >> shortcomings you see. >> >> -jason >> >> >> >> >> matt donohue wrote: >> > Preface- I know I must be wrong at least 51% of the time >> otherwise, I >> would be way ahead at poker. >> > >> > In case anyone was put off by the snark (Arlo already vented), I >> profer >> this rant, >> > >> > I sometimes find myself frustrated by the purpose of the list (and >> it's >> lack of humor). There is hardly any dialog on the list beyond what >> framework >> is best to use and the rare question. Is it a list of vetted >> professionals >> or a loose collection of hacks? I know some people are on the list >> because >> they enjoy the meetings and socializing with other like minded >> people but, >> I've never been that interested in any meeting topics and I prefer >> to learn >> things on my own (my being anti-social plays no part). That said- >> I'm sure I >> pissed off the other half of the list but, I don't really care. >> Start a new >> dialog- what is the value of the list? Because if it doesn't change >> and grow >> it becomes irrelevant, and If the list is supposed to be some >> adjunct to >> Craigslist's Computer Gigs you can color me gone. I do enjoy helping >> other >> PHP users and believe I have good track record regarding, I just >> think the >> list should have a higher standard, more diverse purpose and >> some >> > benefits for the members. >> > >> > Things that bug: >> > * The list has never had a good website since maybe the first year >> or >> two when there where actual profiles on it. What are peoples >> skill-sets? >> Where do they work? Outside interests? How many members are there? >> I'm sure >> I could get all that at a meeting but, like I said, I haven't been >> to a >> meeting ever in 8 plus years, and if we do want to represent a >> 'guild' as it >> where, we should make some member data available to the public. >> > * If the list was organized (i.e. a real website) and did >> represent a >> list of vetted professionals it would serve as a go-to resource for >> advertising agencies and other freelance opportunities. The fact >> that there >> is no organization (and hence no respect I'm guessing), has these >> potential >> revenue resources using other venues like craigslist and recruiters >> (uhhg). >> The list 'could' represent a job bench, if the effort was made and >> some >> minor marketing where applied. I mean- look at other professions, >> they have >> societies that promote the members. CHIPHPUG doesn't even know who >> it's >> members are? >> > * Jobs posted to the list should meet a standard or be called out- >> otherwise the list becomes as relevant as the most base job posted. >> Does the >> 'list' work for $15 an hour and hack designers? I hope not. It's not >> about >> being elitist- It's standing up for your vocation and not allowing >> other >> people to trivialize your skills and what you represent. Other lists >> are >> much more mercenary. I have no idea why this one is so inclusive. >> > It reminds me of when my college would post $10 p/hr jobs on the >> job >> board (I paid you $20K a year and you post that?). That debases >> everything >> you represent. >> > * A Chicago PHP using company survey would be helpful, considering >> everyone on the list has either applied or worked at probably every >> PHP >> advocating company there is. Helpful info might include: >> > hiring status, salary, reporting supervisor, environment, opinion >> etc.. >> I could fill a small book with my knowledge. I mean, think about the >> time >> that would save people. >> > * There isn't a PHP job out there that doesn't require knowledge >> of PHP >> and AJAX. So, since everyone >> > on the list is, for the most part, beyond proficient at PHP, >> extending >> the list to AJAX/Javascript concerns might invigorate it. I know, I >> personally have way more to offer regarding JS than PHP and all of >> it is >> practical or relevant to the group. I doubt the list is composed of >> PHP >> 'backenders' and I've never had a job myself that didn't involve >> both UI and >> and backend development. >> > * Lastly- I know I already stated my reticence to meetings but, a >> CHIPHPUG poker showdown I could get behind. $100 a pop- winner gets >> bragging >> rights for a year. I'll host West loop. >> > >> > Hope this stirs the nest... I really would like the list to have >> more >> purpose cause I know Java and C# and still prefer the crack of PHP. >> Just >> wish it was represented better. >> > >> > Oh- and go Chicago Fire!!! >> > >> > Rant over, >> > Matt >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. >> > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. >> > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a >> browser. >> > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> > chi...@li... >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. >> Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. >> Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a >> browser. >> Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> chi...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. >> Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. >> Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a >> browser. >> Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> chi...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a > browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a > browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > -- Some people have a "gift" link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? |
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From: Schobeiri, W. <ws...@de...> - 2007-11-01 17:03:11
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Well: I have no clue what is going on. But I did just move to Chicago from Texas and thought I'd register on this listserv; I'd like to say hi to everyone. I work out in the suburbs, but hopefully some time in the near months I'll be able to make it to one of the lunches or after work seminars/things you guys do. That being said, continue the childish bickering. It's always more effective than actually doing the thing you'd like to see done.</ sarcasm> Cheers, Wilfried Schobeiri On Nov 1, 2007, at 11:58 , Richard Lynch wrote: > Let me nip something in the bud before this gets out of hand... > > The hosting is paid for already, by me, and it's on the php.net > domain, as well as the sourceforge servers, and that is not changing. > > I already volunteer enough thank you very much, and don't need your > "requirement" to do so. > > If you don't like the jobs being posted, just hit delete. > > If you want better discussion, start one. > > Failing that, if you dislike the list that much, just leave, and start > your own list. > [shrug] > > On Thu, October 25, 2007 11:33 pm, matt donohue wrote: >> Some thoughts- >> Picture this press release: >> "Chicago PHP Society builds web site for No Kill Animal Shelter". >> Or- you can be a list that answers 3 newbie questions a year and 1 >> really bad quote request. >> Like I said- re-invent yourselves and have a purpose or die. There is >> no PHP pulse anyone on this list needs to be abreast of. I don't need >> any advice or job off this list so what am I doing? No offense but, >> the last newbie we had was and is a jag. >> >> As for volunteering- Yes, I'll build and host a site. Any members >> would need to commit to a volunteer schedule for Chicago non-profits. >> Not sure you would want me in that position as I'm extremely liberal >> and quite dogmatic. >> >> Matt >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Anacreo <an...@gm...> >> To: chi...@li... >> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:42:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED >> >> >> Hmm I guess I'm more the care bare spirit. While I do nod and agree >> with >> much of what you say Matt. I do think slamming someone looking for >> help as >> a bit harsh. For me I'm not much of a meeting type either, I'm more >> of the >> go it alone and toss an idea out when I'm frustrated by a problem. I >> do >> enjoy problem solving which is why I join lists like this in the >> first >> place. If someone has a problem I enjoy the challenge of trying to >> figure >> it out, that's all I am looking for in this user group, so to each >> their >> own. I agree about the website though as a community user group who >> am I to >> complain about it if I'm not going to fix it. If you want a new site >> / >> majordomo try building it and propose it and see if it gets ratified. >> >> Alec >> >> On 10/25/07, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote: >>> >>> Young? No. I said I've been on the almost list since it started. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Jason Rexilius <ja...@ho...> >>> To: chi...@li... >>> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:27:21 PM >>> Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED >>> >>> >>> Matt, >>> >>> Forgive me, but you must be fairly young. ;-) >>> >>> User groups never have a "purpose" or "vision" or any such >>> thing.. >>> It's like a street market.. lotsa "other peoples treasure" and the >>> odd >>> thing that you find valuable. >>> >>> That being said, the value I find in it is keeping a loose finger >>> on >>> the pulse of local mindsets in relation to PHP. That helps about as >>> much as watching CNN helps the average person, but I still find it >>> useful. >>> >>> The other purpose it serves is a place for young people with >>> energy >>> to use it as a springboard to do interesting things with their time, >>> passion and energy. It does sound like you are volunteering ;-) >>> >>> It is a pool of people, although not like-minded, with at least >>> one >>> or more common interest that you can draw from, serve or dismiss as >>> your >>> enthusiasm dictates. >>> >>> I organize a yearly tech event and try and keep in touch with the >>> user groups and support other people doing interesting things. Do >>> something interesting and I'll support it. >>> >>> As to discussion, it is a community with _widely_ varying levels >>> of >>> expertise so its hard to have a standard. I personally would like >>> to >>> have more involved discussions about some advanced topics but its >>> difficult on a list. Meetings are better places for the discussion >>> I >>> enjoy, usually. >>> >>> Cheers and have fun.. Maybe build a new website to help with some >>> shortcomings you see. >>> >>> -jason >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> matt donohue wrote: >>>> Preface- I know I must be wrong at least 51% of the time >>> otherwise, I >>> would be way ahead at poker. >>>> >>>> In case anyone was put off by the snark (Arlo already vented), I >>> profer >>> this rant, >>>> >>>> I sometimes find myself frustrated by the purpose of the list (and >>> it's >>> lack of humor). There is hardly any dialog on the list beyond what >>> framework >>> is best to use and the rare question. Is it a list of vetted >>> professionals >>> or a loose collection of hacks? I know some people are on the list >>> because >>> they enjoy the meetings and socializing with other like minded >>> people but, >>> I've never been that interested in any meeting topics and I prefer >>> to learn >>> things on my own (my being anti-social plays no part). That said- >>> I'm sure I >>> pissed off the other half of the list but, I don't really care. >>> Start a new >>> dialog- what is the value of the list? Because if it doesn't change >>> and grow >>> it becomes irrelevant, and If the list is supposed to be some >>> adjunct to >>> Craigslist's Computer Gigs you can color me gone. I do enjoy helping >>> other >>> PHP users and believe I have good track record regarding, I just >>> think the >>> list should have a higher standard, more diverse purpose and >>> some >>>> benefits for the members. >>>> >>>> Things that bug: >>>> * The list has never had a good website since maybe the first year >>> or >>> two when there where actual profiles on it. What are peoples >>> skill-sets? >>> Where do they work? Outside interests? How many members are there? >>> I'm sure >>> I could get all that at a meeting but, like I said, I haven't been >>> to a >>> meeting ever in 8 plus years, and if we do want to represent a >>> 'guild' as it >>> where, we should make some member data available to the public. >>>> * If the list was organized (i.e. a real website) and did >>> represent a >>> list of vetted professionals it would serve as a go-to resource for >>> advertising agencies and other freelance opportunities. The fact >>> that there >>> is no organization (and hence no respect I'm guessing), has these >>> potential >>> revenue resources using other venues like craigslist and recruiters >>> (uhhg). >>> The list 'could' represent a job bench, if the effort was made and >>> some >>> minor marketing where applied. I mean- look at other professions, >>> they have >>> societies that promote the members. CHIPHPUG doesn't even know who >>> it's >>> members are? >>>> * Jobs posted to the list should meet a standard or be called out- >>> otherwise the list becomes as relevant as the most base job posted. >>> Does the >>> 'list' work for $15 an hour and hack designers? I hope not. It's not >>> about >>> being elitist- It's standing up for your vocation and not allowing >>> other >>> people to trivialize your skills and what you represent. Other lists >>> are >>> much more mercenary. I have no idea why this one is so inclusive. >>>> It reminds me of when my college would post $10 p/hr jobs on the >>> job >>> board (I paid you $20K a year and you post that?). That debases >>> everything >>> you represent. >>>> * A Chicago PHP using company survey would be helpful, considering >>> everyone on the list has either applied or worked at probably every >>> PHP >>> advocating company there is. Helpful info might include: >>>> hiring status, salary, reporting supervisor, environment, opinion >>> etc.. >>> I could fill a small book with my knowledge. I mean, think about the >>> time >>> that would save people. >>>> * There isn't a PHP job out there that doesn't require knowledge >>> of PHP >>> and AJAX. So, since everyone >>>> on the list is, for the most part, beyond proficient at PHP, >>> extending >>> the list to AJAX/Javascript concerns might invigorate it. I know, I >>> personally have way more to offer regarding JS than PHP and all of >>> it is >>> practical or relevant to the group. I doubt the list is composed of >>> PHP >>> 'backenders' and I've never had a job myself that didn't involve >>> both UI and >>> and backend development. >>>> * Lastly- I know I already stated my reticence to meetings but, a >>> CHIPHPUG poker showdown I could get behind. $100 a pop- winner gets >>> bragging >>> rights for a year. I'll host West loop. >>>> >>>> Hope this stirs the nest... I really would like the list to have >>> more >>> purpose cause I know Java and C# and still prefer the crack of PHP. >>> Just >>> wish it was represented better. >>>> >>>> Oh- and go Chicago Fire!!! >>>> >>>> Rant over, >>>> Matt >>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. >>>> Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. >>>> Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a >>> browser. >>>> Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >>>> chi...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. >>> Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. >>> Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a >>> browser. >>> Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >>> chi...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. >>> Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. >>> Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a >>> browser. >>> Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >>> chi...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. >> Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. >> Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a >> browser. >> Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> chi...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. >> Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. >> Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a >> browser. >> Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> chi...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> > > > -- > Some people have a "gift" link here. > Know what I want? > I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. > http://cdbaby.com/from/lynch > Yeah, I get a buck. So? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a > browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss |
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From: Anacreo <an...@gm...> - 2007-10-26 03:42:10
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Hmm I guess I'm more the care bare spirit. While I do nod and agree with much of what you say Matt. I do think slamming someone looking for help as a bit harsh. For me I'm not much of a meeting type either, I'm more of the go it alone and toss an idea out when I'm frustrated by a problem. I do enjoy problem solving which is why I join lists like this in the first place. If someone has a problem I enjoy the challenge of trying to figure it out, that's all I am looking for in this user group, so to each their own. I agree about the website though as a community user group who am I to complain about it if I'm not going to fix it. If you want a new site / majordomo try building it and propose it and see if it gets ratified. Alec On 10/25/07, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote: > > Young? No. I said I've been on the almost list since it started. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jason Rexilius <ja...@ho...> > To: chi...@li... > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:27:21 PM > Subject: Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] CHIPHPUG REDACTED > > > Matt, > > Forgive me, but you must be fairly young. ;-) > > User groups never have a "purpose" or "vision" or any such thing.. > It's like a street market.. lotsa "other peoples treasure" and the odd > thing that you find valuable. > > That being said, the value I find in it is keeping a loose finger on > the pulse of local mindsets in relation to PHP. That helps about as > much as watching CNN helps the average person, but I still find it useful. > > The other purpose it serves is a place for young people with energy > to use it as a springboard to do interesting things with their time, > passion and energy. It does sound like you are volunteering ;-) > > It is a pool of people, although not like-minded, with at least one > or more common interest that you can draw from, serve or dismiss as your > enthusiasm dictates. > > I organize a yearly tech event and try and keep in touch with the > user groups and support other people doing interesting things. Do > something interesting and I'll support it. > > As to discussion, it is a community with _widely_ varying levels of > expertise so its hard to have a standard. I personally would like to > have more involved discussions about some advanced topics but its > difficult on a list. Meetings are better places for the discussion I > enjoy, usually. > > Cheers and have fun.. Maybe build a new website to help with some > shortcomings you see. > > -jason > > > > > matt donohue wrote: > > Preface- I know I must be wrong at least 51% of the time otherwise, I > would be way ahead at poker. > > > > In case anyone was put off by the snark (Arlo already vented), I profer > this rant, > > > > I sometimes find myself frustrated by the purpose of the list (and it's > lack of humor). There is hardly any dialog on the list beyond what framework > is best to use and the rare question. Is it a list of vetted professionals > or a loose collection of hacks? I know some people are on the list because > they enjoy the meetings and socializing with other like minded people but, > I've never been that interested in any meeting topics and I prefer to learn > things on my own (my being anti-social plays no part). That said- I'm sure I > pissed off the other half of the list but, I don't really care. Start a new > dialog- what is the value of the list? Because if it doesn't change and grow > it becomes irrelevant, and If the list is supposed to be some adjunct to > Craigslist's Computer Gigs you can color me gone. I do enjoy helping other > PHP users and believe I have good track record regarding, I just think the > list should have a higher standard, more diverse purpose and > some > > benefits for the members. > > > > Things that bug: > > * The list has never had a good website since maybe the first year or > two when there where actual profiles on it. What are peoples skill-sets? > Where do they work? Outside interests? How many members are there? I'm sure > I could get all that at a meeting but, like I said, I haven't been to a > meeting ever in 8 plus years, and if we do want to represent a 'guild' as it > where, we should make some member data available to the public. > > * If the list was organized (i.e. a real website) and did represent a > list of vetted professionals it would serve as a go-to resource for > advertising agencies and other freelance opportunities. The fact that there > is no organization (and hence no respect I'm guessing), has these potential > revenue resources using other venues like craigslist and recruiters (uhhg). > The list 'could' represent a job bench, if the effort was made and some > minor marketing where applied. I mean- look at other professions, they have > societies that promote the members. CHIPHPUG doesn't even know who it's > members are? > > * Jobs posted to the list should meet a standard or be called out- > otherwise the list becomes as relevant as the most base job posted. Does the > 'list' work for $15 an hour and hack designers? I hope not. It's not about > being elitist- It's standing up for your vocation and not allowing other > people to trivialize your skills and what you represent. Other lists are > much more mercenary. I have no idea why this one is so inclusive. > > It reminds me of when my college would post $10 p/hr jobs on the job > board (I paid you $20K a year and you post that?). That debases everything > you represent. > > * A Chicago PHP using company survey would be helpful, considering > everyone on the list has either applied or worked at probably every PHP > advocating company there is. Helpful info might include: > > hiring status, salary, reporting supervisor, environment, opinion etc.. > I could fill a small book with my knowledge. I mean, think about the time > that would save people. > > * There isn't a PHP job out there that doesn't require knowledge of PHP > and AJAX. So, since everyone > > on the list is, for the most part, beyond proficient at PHP, extending > the list to AJAX/Javascript concerns might invigorate it. I know, I > personally have way more to offer regarding JS than PHP and all of it is > practical or relevant to the group. I doubt the list is composed of PHP > 'backenders' and I've never had a job myself that didn't involve both UI and > and backend development. > > * Lastly- I know I already stated my reticence to meetings but, a > CHIPHPUG poker showdown I could get behind. $100 a pop- winner gets bragging > rights for a year. I'll host West loop. > > > > Hope this stirs the nest... I really would like the list to have more > purpose cause I know Java and C# and still prefer the crack of PHP. Just > wish it was represented better. > > > > Oh- and go Chicago Fire!!! > > > > Rant over, > > Matt > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > > chi...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? 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