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[chiPHPug-discuss] New to list, 2 questions - Meetings, and Frameworks

[Sara T. <sa...@sa...>]

Hi! I'm a new transplant to Chicago as of October, having taken a job with a
small company which requires my very rusty PHP skills a lot more than I
thought it would. In an attempt to shine them up even faster than I have
been, thought I'd drop in and see if the local PHPug was active.

So, questions:

1. Is there a January meeting on 1/16?

2. The boss is asking if we should start using a framework to clean up a lot
of our old legacy code. Ok, he's not asking if we should, he's asking which
one. Does anyone have a resource for a list of pros/cons for the common
frameworks - preferably a recent one? Everything I've come across is from
'06 or earlier.

Thanks!
Sara

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] New to list, 2 questions - Meetings, and Frameworks

[Jason R. <ja...@ho...>]

Hey Sara!

   ChiPUG now has a redundant array of Sara's ;-) (albeit slightly 
different spelling).

   Not sure about January meeting.. Rich?..

   As to frameworks, Cake is pretty Rails-like and good and have heard 
good things about Symfony.  Don't have any good docs, but would strongly 
suggest a slow methodical approach in evaluating frameworks.  If you 
have an existing code base, it may be more efficient to just refactor to 
a good pattern rather than use framework.

   Its a good group of PHP people here and PHP|tek conference is going 
to be in Chicago again so there is a fair amount going on ;-)  Welcome!

-jason


Sara Trice wrote:
> Hi! I'm a new transplant to Chicago as of October, having taken a job with a
> small company which requires my very rusty PHP skills a lot more than I
> thought it would. In an attempt to shine them up even faster than I have
> been, thought I'd drop in and see if the local PHPug was active.
> 
> So, questions:
> 
> 1. Is there a January meeting on 1/16?
> 
> 2. The boss is asking if we should start using a framework to clean up a lot
> of our old legacy code. Ok, he's not asking if we should, he's asking which
> one. Does anyone have a resource for a list of pros/cons for the common
> frameworks - preferably a recent one? Everything I've come across is from
> '06 or earlier.
> 
> Thanks!
> Sara
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] New to list, 2 questions - Meetings, and Frameworks

[Larry E. M. a. P. <ph...@gm...>]

Jason,

>   As to frameworks, Cake is pretty Rails-like and good and have heard
> good things about Symfony.  Don't have any good docs, but would strongly
> suggest a slow methodical approach in evaluating frameworks.  If you
> have an existing code base, it may be more efficient to just refactor to
> a good pattern rather than use framework.
>

We have been working on the docs for the latest 1.2 release of CakePHP,
http://tempdocs.cakephp.org so hopefully we can get out of that "their docs
suck" category.

Hope to stop in an see everyone my next trip to Chicago...

oh and Jason I will be looking forward to collecting on our wager from last
year!

-- 
/**
* @author Larry E. Masters
* @var string $userName
* @param string $realName
* @returns string aka PhpNut
* @access  public
*/

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] New to list, 2 questions - Meetings, and Frameworks

[Sarah G. <sa...@fa...>]

I am so flattered that Jason remembered my "h"! Thanks Jason :)
Also cool that php-tek will be here again this year. Rich wanna borrow my
projector again?

Welcome, Sara.  I've heard really good things about Cake, too but haven't
used it yet. Larry Masters came to one of our meetings once and it was very
informative and seemed solid.  I would def. look into it if I got to do a
from-scratch php project.

Agree about an existing code-base: I think frameworks are good if you get to
start from scratch, not shove stuff existing code in (head-aches).


On Jan 7, 2008 2:00 PM, Jason Rexilius <ja...@ho...> wrote:

> Hey Sara!
>
>   ChiPUG now has a redundant array of Sara's ;-) (albeit slightly
> different spelling).
>
>   Not sure about January meeting.. Rich?..
>
>   As to frameworks, Cake is pretty Rails-like and good and have heard
> good things about Symfony.  Don't have any good docs, but would strongly
> suggest a slow methodical approach in evaluating frameworks.  If you
> have an existing code base, it may be more efficient to just refactor to
> a good pattern rather than use framework.
>
>   Its a good group of PHP people here and PHP|tek conference is going
> to be in Chicago again so there is a fair amount going on ;-)  Welcome!
>
> -jason
>
>
> Sara Trice wrote:
> > Hi! I'm a new transplant to Chicago as of October, having taken a job
> with a
> > small company which requires my very rusty PHP skills a lot more than I
> > thought it would. In an attempt to shine them up even faster than I have
> > been, thought I'd drop in and see if the local PHPug was active.
> >
> > So, questions:
> >
> > 1. Is there a January meeting on 1/16?
> >
> > 2. The boss is asking if we should start using a framework to clean up a
> lot
> > of our old legacy code. Ok, he's not asking if we should, he's asking
> which
> > one. Does anyone have a resource for a list of pros/cons for the common
> > frameworks - preferably a recent one? Everything I've come across is
> from
> > '06 or earlier.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Sara
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace.
> > It's the best place to buy or sell services for
> > just about anything Open Source.
> >
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> > _______________________________________________
> > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
> > chi...@li...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>
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>
>

[chiPHPug-discuss] php|tek

[derby <der...@gm...>]

Will php|Tek always be in Chicago?

I hope I can afford to attend this year.

derby

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] New to list, 2 questions - Meetings, and Frameworks

[Jason R. <ja...@ho...>]

Larry, you 'ol PHP nut you.. where ya been? When you coming back to the 
hood?

On the topic of the swank bottle of wine I owe Larry for a bet, but off 
topic from PHP:

I know a number of us ChiPHPUG people are in or close to Rogers Park 
hood, there is a great new wine bar opened up by some friends of mine 
who own the Celtic Knot here in Evanston.  Taste at 1506 Jarvis.

I've been meaning to check it out for a while and thought I'd see if 
anyone wanted to make it an unofficial PHP outing..

Larry, I'll buy your bottle of wine there, but you need to come back to 
collect it.

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] New to list, 2 questions - Meetings, and Frameworks

[Richard L. <ce...@l-...>]

I'm in, subject to scheduling...

On Tue, January 8, 2008 9:52 am, Jason Rexilius wrote:
> Larry, you 'ol PHP nut you.. where ya been? When you coming back to
> the
> hood?
>
> On the topic of the swank bottle of wine I owe Larry for a bet, but
> off
> topic from PHP:
>
> I know a number of us ChiPHPUG people are in or close to Rogers Park
> hood, there is a great new wine bar opened up by some friends of mine
> who own the Celtic Knot here in Evanston.  Taste at 1506 Jarvis.
>
> I've been meaning to check it out for a while and thought I'd see if
> anyone wanted to make it an unofficial PHP outing..
>
> Larry, I'll buy your bottle of wine there, but you need to come back
> to
> collect it.
>
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace.
> It's the best place to buy or sell services for
> just about anything Open Source.
> http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace
> _______________________________________________
> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
> chi...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>


-- 
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Know what I want?
I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist.
http://cdbaby.com/from/lynch
Yeah, I get a buck. So?

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] New to list, 2 questions - Meetings, and Frameworks

[Sarah G. <sa...@fa...>]

ditto on the wine bar.

**

Richard, wasn't your New Years resolution to change the reply-settings of
the chiphug list to make the community happy (reply to list, not to sender)?
It's not too late to follow through and have Success in 2008!

On Jan 8, 2008 10:33 AM, Richard Lynch <ce...@l-...> wrote:

> I'm in, subject to scheduling...
>
> On Tue, January 8, 2008 9:52 am, Jason Rexilius wrote:
> > Larry, you 'ol PHP nut you.. where ya been? When you coming back to
> > the
> > hood?
> >
> > On the topic of the swank bottle of wine I owe Larry for a bet, but
> > off
> > topic from PHP:
> >
> > I know a number of us ChiPHPUG people are in or close to Rogers Park
> > hood, there is a great new wine bar opened up by some friends of mine
> > who own the Celtic Knot here in Evanston.  Taste at 1506 Jarvis.
> >
> > I've been meaning to check it out for a while and thought I'd see if
> > anyone wanted to make it an unofficial PHP outing..
> >
> > Larry, I'll buy your bottle of wine there, but you need to come back
> > to
> > collect it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace.
> > It's the best place to buy or sell services for
> > just about anything Open Source.
> >
> http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace
> > _______________________________________________
> > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
> > chi...@li...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
> >
>
>
> --
> Some people have a "gift" link here.
> Know what I want?
> I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist.
> http://cdbaby.com/from/lynch
> Yeah, I get a buck. So?
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace.
> It's the best place to buy or sell services for
> just about anything Open Source.
>
> http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace
> _______________________________________________
> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
> chi...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>
>
>

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] New to list, 2 questions - Meetings, and Frameworks

[Richard L. <ce...@l-...>]

Done.

This list is now reply-to-all, even though that is Evil.

On Tue, January 8, 2008 12:38 pm, Sarah Gray wrote:
> ditto on the wine bar.
>
> **
>
> Richard, wasn't your New Years resolution to change the reply-settings
> of
> the chiphug list to make the community happy (reply to list, not to
> sender)?
> It's not too late to follow through and have Success in 2008!
>
> On Jan 8, 2008 10:33 AM, Richard Lynch <ce...@l-...> wrote:
>
>> I'm in, subject to scheduling...
>>
>> On Tue, January 8, 2008 9:52 am, Jason Rexilius wrote:
>> > Larry, you 'ol PHP nut you.. where ya been? When you coming back
>> to
>> > the
>> > hood?
>> >
>> > On the topic of the swank bottle of wine I owe Larry for a bet,
>> but
>> > off
>> > topic from PHP:
>> >
>> > I know a number of us ChiPHPUG people are in or close to Rogers
>> Park
>> > hood, there is a great new wine bar opened up by some friends of
>> mine
>> > who own the Celtic Knot here in Evanston.  Taste at 1506 Jarvis.
>> >
>> > I've been meaning to check it out for a while and thought I'd see
>> if
>> > anyone wanted to make it an unofficial PHP outing..
>> >
>> > Larry, I'll buy your bottle of wine there, but you need to come
>> back
>> > to
>> > collect it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace.
>> > It's the best place to buy or sell services for
>> > just about anything Open Source.
>> >
>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
>> > chi...@li...
>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Some people have a "gift" link here.
>> Know what I want?
>> I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist.
>> http://cdbaby.com/from/lynch
>> Yeah, I get a buck. So?
>>
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace.
>> It's the best place to buy or sell services for
>> just about anything Open Source.
>>
>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace
>> _______________________________________________
>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
>> chi...@li...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>>
>>
>>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace.
> It's the best place to buy or sell services for
> just about anything Open Source.
> http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace
> _______________________________________________
> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
> chi...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>


-- 
Some people have a "gift" link here.
Know what I want?
I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist.
http://cdbaby.com/from/lynch
Yeah, I get a buck. So?

Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] php|tek

[Jason R. <ja...@ho...>]

Not sure about always, but I spoke with Marco last year and he got as 
lot of good feedback for Chicago as location and it seems it should be 
for a while.



derby wrote:
> Will php|Tek always be in Chicago?
> 
> I hope I can afford to attend this year.
> 
> derby
> 
> 
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Re: [chiPHPug-discuss] php|tek

[Richard L. <ce...@l-...>]

There are actually 2 php|arch events per year, and one in Chicago for
the forseeable future seems likely, especially if folks come out to it
like last year.

The other event tends to be a bit more "fun" oriented, such as a PHP
cruise.

On Thu, January 10, 2008 8:17 am, Jason Rexilius wrote:
> Not sure about always, but I spoke with Marco last year and he got as
> lot of good feedback for Chicago as location and it seems it should be
> for a while.
>
>
>
> derby wrote:
>> Will php|Tek always be in Chicago?
>>
>> I hope I can afford to attend this year.
>>
>> derby
>>
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace.
>> It's the best place to buy or sell services for
>> just about anything Open Source.
>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace
>> _______________________________________________
>> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
>> chi...@li...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace.
> It's the best place to buy or sell services for
> just about anything Open Source.
> http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace
> _______________________________________________
> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list
> chi...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss
>


-- 
Some people have a "gift" link here.
Know what I want?
I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist.
http://cdbaby.com/from/lynch
Yeah, I get a buck. So?