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From: Nola S. <mrn...@gm...> - 2007-10-26 00:56:04
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I believe there has been requests for someone to help with the website in the past --- and it was talked about at the meetings. Are you volunteering? On 10/25/07, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote: > Preface- I know I must be wrong at least 51% of the time otherwise, I would be way ahead at poker. > > In case anyone was put off by the snark (Arlo already vented), I profer this rant, > > I sometimes find myself frustrated by the purpose of the list (and it's lack of humor). There is hardly any dialog on the list beyond what framework is best to use and the rare question. Is it a list of vetted professionals or a loose collection of hacks? I know some people are on the list because they enjoy the meetings and socializing with other like minded people but, I've never been that interested in any meeting topics and I prefer to learn things on my own (my being anti-social plays no part). That said- I'm sure I pissed off the other half of the list but, I don't really care. Start a new dialog- what is the value of the list? Because if it doesn't change and grow it becomes irrelevant, and If the list is supposed to be some adjunct to Craigslist's Computer Gigs you can color me gone. I do enjoy helping other PHP users and believe I have good track record regarding, I just think the list should have a higher standard, more diverse purpose and some > benefits for the members. > > Things that bug: > * The list has never had a good website since maybe the first year or two when there where actual profiles on it. What are peoples skill-sets? Where do they work? Outside interests? How many members are there? I'm sure I could get all that at a meeting but, like I said, I haven't been to a meeting ever in 8 plus years, and if we do want to represent a 'guild' as it where, we should make some member data available to the public. > * If the list was organized (i.e. a real website) and did represent a list of vetted professionals it would serve as a go-to resource for advertising agencies and other freelance opportunities. The fact that there is no organization (and hence no respect I'm guessing), has these potential revenue resources using other venues like craigslist and recruiters (uhhg). The list 'could' represent a job bench, if the effort was made and some minor marketing where applied. I mean- look at other professions, they have societies that promote the members. CHIPHPUG doesn't even know who it's members are? > * Jobs posted to the list should meet a standard or be called out- otherwise the list becomes as relevant as the most base job posted. Does the 'list' work for $15 an hour and hack designers? I hope not. It's not about being elitist- It's standing up for your vocation and not allowing other people to trivialize your skills and what you represent. Other lists are much more mercenary. I have no idea why this one is so inclusive. > It reminds me of when my college would post $10 p/hr jobs on the job board (I paid you $20K a year and you post that?). That debases everything you represent. > * A Chicago PHP using company survey would be helpful, considering everyone on the list has either applied or worked at probably every PHP advocating company there is. Helpful info might include: > hiring status, salary, reporting supervisor, environment, opinion etc.. I could fill a small book with my knowledge. I mean, think about the time that would save people. > * There isn't a PHP job out there that doesn't require knowledge of PHP and AJAX. So, since everyone > on the list is, for the most part, beyond proficient at PHP, extending the list to AJAX/Javascript concerns might invigorate it. I know, I personally have way more to offer regarding JS than PHP and all of it is practical or relevant to the group. I doubt the list is composed of PHP 'backenders' and I've never had a job myself that didn't involve both UI and and backend development. > * Lastly- I know I already stated my reticence to meetings but, a CHIPHPUG poker showdown I could get behind. $100 a pop- winner gets bragging rights for a year. I'll host West loop. > > Hope this stirs the nest... I really would like the list to have more purpose cause I know Java and C# and still prefer the crack of PHP. Just wish it was represented better. > > Oh- and go Chicago Fire!!! > > Rant over, > Matt > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss > -- http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun |
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From: Kevin M. <kev...@ma...> - 2007-10-26 03:04:41
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What about using something like Facebook or Ning to host the user group site? I think that solves a few of the things that bug you like member lists & profiles. It's also nice because maintaining a web site always seems to become a problem for user groups. At least with Facebook it's handy to have the Events functionality for RSVPing / posting photos / discussions etc. Ning has some nice features like creating a private social network. For example, we could create something to host multiple user groups in Chicago and then have individual groups within that like Ruby UG, PHP UG, .NET UG etc. Something like: http://techandthecity.ning.com/ (I just made that in Ning in about 5 mins) It would be nice to have more of the Chicago developer UGs consolidated in one area. I work mostly with .NET, but I am interested in other stuff like Django, PHP, Ruby and all of the separate mailing lists / lack of centralized event lists make it tough to keep up on stuff going on in the city. Ning doesn't have event functionality though which sucks. For me, more and more of the people I interact with through work are using Facebook and I've found it rather useful. It's been especially helpful for organizing developer events in the city and having technology discussions. -kevin On Oct 25, 2007, at 5:55 PM, Nola Stowe wrote: > I believe there has been requests for someone to help with the website > in the past --- and it was talked about at the meetings. > > Are you volunteering? > > On 10/25/07, matt donohue <mm_...@ya...> wrote: >> Preface- I know I must be wrong at least 51% of the time >> otherwise, I would be way ahead at poker. >> >> In case anyone was put off by the snark (Arlo already vented), I >> profer this rant, >> >> I sometimes find myself frustrated by the purpose of the list (and >> it's lack of humor). There is hardly any dialog on the list beyond >> what framework is best to use and the rare question. Is it a list >> of vetted professionals or a loose collection of hacks? I know >> some people are on the list because they enjoy the meetings and >> socializing with other like minded people but, I've never been >> that interested in any meeting topics and I prefer to learn things >> on my own (my being anti-social plays no part). That said- I'm >> sure I pissed off the other half of the list but, I don't really >> care. Start a new dialog- what is the value of the list? Because >> if it doesn't change and grow it becomes irrelevant, and If the >> list is supposed to be some adjunct to Craigslist's Computer Gigs >> you can color me gone. I do enjoy helping other PHP users and >> believe I have good track record regarding, I just think the list >> should have a higher standard, more diverse purpose and some >> benefits for the members. >> >> Things that bug: >> * The list has never had a good website since maybe the first year >> or two when there where actual profiles on it. What are peoples >> skill-sets? Where do they work? Outside interests? How many >> members are there? I'm sure I could get all that at a meeting but, >> like I said, I haven't been to a meeting ever in 8 plus years, and >> if we do want to represent a 'guild' as it where, we should make >> some member data available to the public. >> * If the list was organized (i.e. a real website) and did >> represent a list of vetted professionals it would serve as a go-to >> resource for advertising agencies and other freelance >> opportunities. The fact that there is no organization (and hence >> no respect I'm guessing), has these potential revenue resources >> using other venues like craigslist and recruiters (uhhg). The list >> 'could' represent a job bench, if the effort was made and some >> minor marketing where applied. I mean- look at other professions, >> they have societies that promote the members. CHIPHPUG doesn't >> even know who it's members are? >> * Jobs posted to the list should meet a standard or be called out- >> otherwise the list becomes as relevant as the most base job >> posted. Does the 'list' work for $15 an hour and hack designers? I >> hope not. It's not about being elitist- It's standing up for your >> vocation and not allowing other people to trivialize your skills >> and what you represent. Other lists are much more mercenary. I >> have no idea why this one is so inclusive. >> It reminds me of when my college would post $10 p/hr jobs on the >> job board (I paid you $20K a year and you post that?). That >> debases everything you represent. >> * A Chicago PHP using company survey would be helpful, considering >> everyone on the list has either applied or worked at probably >> every PHP advocating company there is. Helpful info might include: >> hiring status, salary, reporting supervisor, environment, opinion >> etc.. I could fill a small book with my knowledge. I mean, think >> about the time that would save people. >> * There isn't a PHP job out there that doesn't require knowledge >> of PHP and AJAX. So, since everyone >> on the list is, for the most part, beyond proficient at PHP, >> extending the list to AJAX/Javascript concerns might invigorate >> it. I know, I personally have way more to offer regarding JS than >> PHP and all of it is practical or relevant to the group. I doubt >> the list is composed of PHP 'backenders' and I've never had a job >> myself that didn't involve both UI and and backend development. >> * Lastly- I know I already stated my reticence to meetings but, a >> CHIPHPUG poker showdown I could get behind. $100 a pop- winner >> gets bragging rights for a year. I'll host West loop. >> >> Hope this stirs the nest... I really would like the list to have >> more purpose cause I know Java and C# and still prefer the crack >> of PHP. Just wish it was represented better. >> >> Oh- and go Chicago Fire!!! >> >> Rant over, >> Matt >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. >> Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. >> Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a >> browser. >> Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> chiPHPug-discuss mailing list >> chi...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss >> > > > -- > http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl > http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a > browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > chiPHPug-discuss mailing list > chi...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/chiphpug-discuss |
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