Re: [cadcdev-tiki] Win32 stuff

[Dan P. <ba...@al...>]

On Feb 19, 2006, at 9:46 AM, Sam Steele wrote:

> Mostly it's sluggish, and the tabbed interface is kind of quirky.   
> I actually hadn't realized how slow the OS X terminal is until I  
> started coding on win32 again.. i fired up putty to connect to my  
> linux box and there was noticeably less delay between hitting a key  
> and seeing the letters.  Kinda like GNOME Terminal vs xterm I  
> guess, eye candy = slower.

Yeah... I always appreciated the snappiness of the raw X stuff like  
Xterm, and I used to use Jordan DeLong's minimalist Golem WM too. I  
couldn't ever stand the Gnome stuff because it was so slow. Then  
something snapped in my head and I just didn't care anymore as long  
as it was less of a PIA to use. :) Which means that compared to both  
Windows and Linux, OSX is the king for me hands down. I used to have  
complaints about the snappiness of OSX, but now that I have Tiger and  
a machine with a sufficient video card, most things seem  
instantaneous UI-wise. I wish they'd get on with enabling Quartz 2D  
Extreme.

Of course Xcode still just has a crappy UI, so it doesn't get any  
such excuses. :) The syntax highlighting is bad, the completion is  
slightly better than VS's defaults, but not as good as VA. There's  
WAAY too much expectation of mouse interaction still (something which  
is somewhat true of VS too, but you can at least customize most of it  
away with macros if nothing else). No way to trace into inlined  
functions. No auto variables. Horrifyingly bad STL support (true in  
VS up until 8 anyway, which has *amazing* STL support in the debugger  
now).

Then again Xcode is also free with the OS, while VS costs some huge  
sum of money unless you get on the gravy train to get it free.

I'm embarrassed to say that after all that time of using a good IDE  
at work, I'm pretty lost with the command line only KOS stuff these  
days. ;) Not as in "can't figure it out" but "brain just doesn't want  
to go into gear".

> Is VS8 .NET or the one after it?  I should see if my college's  
> MSDNAA site has the latest version before they disable my account  
> (I haven't attended in over a year, but they haven't gotten around  
> to deleting the account yet :) ).  I'm still working on VS .NET,  
> which is pretty nice too, especially with the Ankh SVN plugin.

VS7.0 was the first ".NET" version. It's kinda dumb, I think the  
marketing people won the first round and the tech people won the  
second round. VS7.0 was "Microsoft Visual Studio .NET", and VS7.1 was  
"Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 2003", but there were more overt  
references to 7.1. VS8.0 is now just "Microsoft Visual Studio 8" in  
most places, though the official name is still "Microsoft Visual  
Studio .NET 2005". It did have a technical point though: VS7 was the  
first one written with the .NET framework itself. That's one reason  
it was so slow and had so many UI quirks. It's come a long way in the  
recent ones.